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Old 31st May 2017, 18:01   #521 (permalink)
 
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On the contrary, science would have progressed more quickly had the church not declared that certain areas such as orbital mechanics were "heresy".
https://www.newscientist.com/article...leo-was-right/
And they're still getting the whole church/Galileo story wrong. But this article does fit the "modern" narrative of that event.
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Sadly the Panacea Society here in Bedford is closed to new members.

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Old 31st May 2017, 22:55   #523 (permalink)
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Who's wrong Ken, New Scientist, the Catholic Church, Pope John Paul II or some other entity ? Please provide evidence to support your view. Was he or was he not placed under house arrest for a considerable period of time due to his work ? A simple yes / no answer will suffice.

Here's what the New York Times has to say.

After 350 Years, Vatican Says Galileo Was Right - It Moves - NYTimes.com
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 01:22   #524 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever found Galileo's letters to his daughter? (I have copies of her's to him.)
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 06:50   #525 (permalink)


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Oh my. You really are clueless of US politics nor what constitutes "religious discrimination" in our system. In our system the government is required to protect all such religious expression. So yeah, they will criticize discrimination against them. That does not even remotely mean such religions have "gained traction" with the US government.
According to you, Scientology is not a religion, only a dangerous scam cult, but when your government protests other government's actions towards the organisation it's suddenly elevated to the status of religion? Got it.

How much more do you think they'd have to do before you'd acknowledge the obvious?

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Funny, I was born and raised in Indonesia. There's lots of Buddhists, Shintos, and Hindus there too.
Not according to the last Indonesian census, you're being economical with the truth. Shinto doesn't travel well outside of Japan.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 12:17   #526 (permalink)


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Once again, for the hard of reading, you and I are using different definitions. Your definition equates nontheist and atheist. Using my definition, the former is not a religion. The latter is.
If you choose to regard atheism as a religion, that is your prerogative.

When you insist that your opinion, and your definition, override and take precedence over everyone else's, and you insist that atheism is a religion, you are, in your own words,

"trying to impose (your) beliefs on everyone else."

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And once again you ignore the fact that a religion can exist and even thrive without being a state religion. However, inevitably, those that gain traction within a populace become a state religion. The Russian church started out as a state religion, fell from favor with the new state, and then became the state religion again once that state lost power. And even during the (short) period the Russian Church was not the official state religion, it remained an organ of the state. It never lost that distinction.
A Christian church was an organ of an "atheist state"? Got it. I'm sure you'll trot out a new and exciting definition of all these words to support your argument .
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Crown: Fifty years ago, it may have been different (I don't know) but I've personally only ever encountered Shinto in Japan. (I've also been inside the big Buddha in Kamakura, but that's straying a bit further from the topic ...)
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 01:12   #528 (permalink)


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I doubt things were different 50 years ago. The number of Japanese living in Indonesia even today is minuscule compared to the total population, so followers of Shinto are few and far between.

As for the daibutsu of Kamakura, I know it well. My family lived for a few years in Yuigahama, two stops down the line.
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