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Old 11th Apr 2017, 05:26
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Hypothetically, if a nuclear 'event' unfolded as the result of conflict in Syria or North Korea, how much warning would we have?
Would media like CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera have pre prepared news?
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 05:53
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Define event.
Define "warning of what"
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Define event.
Define "warning of what"
Full scale nuclear war as in launch to impact
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boost phase: 3 to 5 minutes; it is shorter for a solid-fuel rocket than for a liquid-propellant rocket; depending on the trajectory chosen, typical burnout speed is 4 km/s (2.5 mi/s), up to 7.8 km/s (4.8 mi/s); altitude at the end of this phase is typically 150 to 400 km (93 to 249 mi).
midcourse phase: approx. 25 minutes—sub-orbital spaceflight with a flightpath being a part of an ellipse with a vertical major axis; the apogee (halfway through the midcourse phase) is at an altitude of approximately 1,200 km (750 mi); the semi-major axis is between 3,186 and 6,372 km (1,980 and 3,959 mi); the projection of the flightpath on the Earth's surface is close to a great circle, slightly displaced due to earth rotation during the time of flight; the missile may release several independent warheads and penetration aids, such as metallic-coated balloons, aluminum chaff, and full-scale warhead decoys.
reentry/terminal phase (starting at an altitude of 100 km, 62 mi): 2 minutes – impact is at a speed of up to 7 km/s (4.3 mi/s) (for early ICBMs less than 1 km/s (0.62 mi/s)); see also maneuverable reentry vehicle.
ICBMs usually use the trajectory which optimizes range for a given amount of payload (the minimum-energy trajectory); an alternative is a depressed trajectory, which allows less payload, shorter flight time, and has a much lower apogee.


Shorter times from those damned elusive boomers.
Plenty of time to KYAG but MSNBC and CNN will probably screw it up.
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Also we may see sunrise, when actually expecting Sunset, but it would only be a second or two, until your brain realised your eyes were no longer functioning..
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 07:01
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I remember watching 'The Day After' in '83, was but a kid, but scary enough.
Not long after that I remember the F-111s bombing Tripoli (must have been prior to Tomahawks aye?), the school teachers said the end was nigh.
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When the DEW line was in operation, if the Russians launched it was said we (UK) would get 4 minutes, the USA would get 30.
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Depends if you follow the Donald's tweets
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 08:16
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Originally Posted by UniFoxOs View Post
When the DEW line was in operation, if the Russians launched it was said we (UK) would get 4 minutes, the USA would get 30.
The public would get 4 mins, if they were lucky and near a radio.

Anyone else remember the BMEWS broadcast, "MIPS green, Status green, Confidence high, Acknowledge"?
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 13:50
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I remember sitting on QRA looking after three special weapons and their delivery system. We could get them away in under two minutes and then had another couple of minutes, that if the real day came, would end in oblivion. I always wondered what the crews thought about the possibility of departing from a primary target and knowing their families would all be dead long before they reached operational altitude themselves.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 14:21
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Originally Posted by troppo View Post
Full scale nuclear war as in launch to impact
In the U.S., the government's EAS (Emergency Alert System, formerly the Emergency Broadcast System) would break into/shut off all normal programing to issue the notification on their selected channels that you're doomed.

The EBS/EAS was originally created and designed for the very nuclear war scenario you've envisioned as a nationwide civil defense warning system that cuts all broadcasting channels except for those used by the President (or whoever's left in charge) to directly address the general public nationwide.

Using the EAS/EBS for local and regional broadcasts informing the public about tornado/flash flood/severe weather events affecting them was added later (and what it is commonly used for), but that is not it's primary purpose.

Due to the way the EAS works, the biggest upside of an all-out thermonuclear exchange is that the media talking heads who believe they need add their own version of events and are always so ready to lecture viewers and listeners as to how they should feel, will have the biggest story of all time headed their way and delivered into their laps but being electronically muzzled won't be able to pontificate and jabber endlessly-on about it over the airwaves before they too are vaporized. Even mushroom clouds will have a silver lining.

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As a member of several of those crews of whom you speak, sitting at 02 it never once crossed my mind that we would have to go. The consequences for ALL involved precluded it - that's deterrence.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 15:06
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They have run the clock out in North Korea .
If the Korean Generals do not replace the leadership they are all doomed. The entire superstructure of governance in NK will be destroyed. It will not take long and nobody cares as that little wannabe Stalinist lacks the skills ,knowledge and abilities of the real Stalin. It will be all over by Christmas.
China is not going to risk losing face by getting in a fight it has zero chance of winning . They will go with the long game of slow and steady industrial investments around the world and eventually will own most of it through the enslavement of those involved in their business plan.


Any settlement should include a Chinese Marshall plan that retires the little
Stalinist with some more moderate Moaist educated leaders that will eventually re-unite with the rest of Korea. The Little dictator should stick to movie making and who knows maybe he might be another Martin Scorsese in the making. He could keep his violence on the silver screen.
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
I remember sitting on QRA looking after three special weapons and their delivery system. We could get them away in under two minutes and then had another couple of minutes, that if the real day came, would end in oblivion. I always wondered what the crews thought about the possibility of departing from a primary target and knowing their families would all be dead long before they reached operational altitude themselves.
It must have been strange knowing that if you launched your aircraft and weapons, that in a couple of minutes, well ...........
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 12:28
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Originally Posted by troppo View Post
Hypothetically, if a nuclear 'event' unfolded as the result of conflict in Syria or North Korea, how much warning would we have?
Would media like CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera have pre prepared news?
The BBC has always had a war function and if you visit any of the open RSG bunkers from the Cold War you will find a BBC studio and prepared script and tapes.

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As a member of several of those crews of whom you speak, sitting at 02 it never once crossed my mind that we would have to go. The consequences for ALL involved precluded it - that's deterrence.
It never crossed my mind at the time until the day when we were given a seemingly routine "Alert Crews to Readiness Zero Two" and aircraft tootled off down to the end of the runway and sat there with engines running. After a while - a long while - a pair of 5 Sqn Lightnings flew over them and away down the runway waggling their wings and it occurred to the three of us left on our pan that something unusual was going on. That was when the thought came to me.

Eventually the aircraft revved up and returned, when we discovered that the Bomber Controller was giving them the wrong stand-down codes and the crews were refusing to budge until he gave them the correct ones. QRA was never quite the same one month's skive for me after that. One always wondered...
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 20:33
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the most important question has not been asked....




"would the bbc dare cancel EASTENDERS"???
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 23:48
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The blitz didn't shut them up. A few nukes won't even make a dent !
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 23:49
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Cor blimey guv. That slags nuked my nan's chip shop
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