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Old 13th Apr 2017, 03:16
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Plenty of time to KYAG but MSNBC and CNN will probably screw it up.
They would be too busy falling over themselves blaming the launch on the current POTUS.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 07:38
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My old Uncle who was involved with the QRA, explained to me in much later life just what they were tasked to do, which by today's knowledge(scant as it is) seemed to be almost a suicidal sort of mission, given that almost nothing would have been left here in the UK to land on, where would the Vulcan's have gone? or would it have been just another Kamikaze sort of event but in a different theatre, and would riding the A/c craft down with the load have been the preferable solution to that MAD scenario..?
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 08:35
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The nearest I ever felt 'this could be it' was the day President Kennedy was assassinated.
Our Canberra's were on various alert conditions, for several days at Akrotiri, ready to go!
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Peter-RB View Post
My old Uncle who was involved with the QRA, explained to me in much later life just what they were tasked to do, which by today's knowledge(scant as it is) seemed to be almost a suicidal sort of mission, given that almost nothing would have been left here in the UK to land on, where would the Vulcan's have gone? or would it have been just another Kamikaze sort of event but in a different theatre, and would riding the A/c craft down with the load have been the preferable solution to that MAD scenario..?
I recall from watching a BBC (?) documentary about the V bombers some years ago, that after dropping their payload, the crew were instructed to continue flying to the east, with the intention of bailing out (which was no easy task in itself) once fuel was running low. It was assumed that there would be nothing left of the UK to return to. To all intents and purposes, it was a kamikaze mission.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 09:25
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One of the Vulcan pilots I knew said that after they hit the target they were supposed to head south over the Black Sea and find somewhere to land in Turkey - assuming anything was left there.

A ex-USAFE F-4 pilot said he had an official plan that used AAR and had an escape route. However he didn't expect anywhere to be left to come back too, and he also expected EMP to fry all the electrics in his jet - so he and his navigator had their own alternate one-way route to his target planned at low level using Mk 1 eyeball and a paper map with just enough fuel to get there.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:40
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By coincidence, it seems that the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has released a load of videos that have been recovered from high speed cine file of the tests conducted around 60 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...Ry5z-GlJ_OQND5
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 17:15
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From reliable sources, I was informed that flight crews (not all) that made the Pacific ocean had a good chance of recovery from allied ships. Reason being, no nukes are aimed at the sea, only land based targets. The whole US battle fleet could be out there with no fear of a ICBM attack.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 18:37
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From reliable sources, I was informed that flight crews (not all) that made the Pacific ocean had a good chance of recovery from allied ships. Reason being, no nukes are aimed at the sea, only land based targets. The whole US battle fleet could be out there with no fear of a ICBM attack.

No ICBMs, just the large number of nuclear torpedoes and Nuclear tipped anti-ship missiles.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 20:03
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Good film, better book.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Dawn%27s_Early_Light
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 20:38
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You can watch it here for nowt Mr ORAC.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 21:00
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Full film - "On The Beach" is also on there. (somewhat chopped horizontal screen aspect tho')
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 22:02
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I wonder if the little black box in the back office at Bredbury police station still beeps every 15 seconds (?) when switched on ?
Will they have a telex with the code words if it needs to be kept on and turned up? I think the test messages came from Shrewsbury when I was a lad. Is it all still in place ?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 00:56
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Future doomsday is EMP attack.................. 95% of population would be dead within 100 days.

Countrys least at risk are those where subsistence farming and agriculture are way of life.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 01:08
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If it's the guv'mint running the war we'll get four minutes notice, then after six months the war will be delivered over budget and at a reduced level of service.....
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 01:14
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If it's the guv'mint running the war we'll get four minutes notice, then after six months the war will be delivered over budget and at a reduced level of service.....
Don't forget the strikes.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 01:44
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Nostalgia


I recall being told by a Vulcan pilot during a 'Mickey' at Lossie that his primary survival aid was a copy of the telephone directory of the British Embassy in Stockholm.


And there was the bleeping black box in the Lossie Tower that would occasionally burst into clipped and precise missives from some one called 'The Bomber Controller' who allegedly inhabited the nether regions of High Wycombe.


And not to mention the papers in the Hack Green bunker that show the plans by the British Government to reinstitute tax collection six months after a nuclear strike.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 03:44
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Nostalgia
And not to mention the papers in the Hack Green bunker that show the plans by the British Government to reinstitute tax collection six months after a nuclear strike.
Yes, that one was hysterical. While fighting dead and dying neighbours for irradiated scraps of food, one was expected to keep all receipts.

Classic Mr. Cholmondley-Warner.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 06:27
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"The Bedsitting Room" - trailer and full movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...ing_Room_(play)



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Old 14th Apr 2017, 16:13
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Daysleeper......"
No ICBMs, just the large number of nuclear torpedoes and Nuclear tipped anti-ship missiles."

I imagine the US would have be aware of this, I also imagine the majority of the US sub fleet would be 'on the ball' with the Mk45/ASTOR anti sub (nuke) torpedos.

Correct me if I'm wrong, nuke tipped anti ship shells/missiles (Russian) late 50s/early 60s?
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 00:27
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Correct me if I'm wrong, nuke tipped anti ship shells/missiles (Russian) late 50s/early 60s?
How about Nuclear tipped artillery shells, purely for tactical use of course...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5jo7aZzTw
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