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Electrocution, gas chamber, or firing squad - which would you prefer?

Old 9th Feb 2017, 21:56
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..and oddly enough, I recall thinking your prisoner power generation was a great idea a while back. We are thinking alike and that should make us both a bit nervous, HeartyM.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:26
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None of them. Transportation. A modern Van Diemen's Land. A wilderness from which there would be no hope of return for irredeemable criminals. There must be a few cash-strapped countries in the world which would be willing to host/run such a penal colony in exchange for hard currency.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:34
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The various methods were investigated in a TV documentary a while back, fronted by Michael Portillo no less,it concluded the most humane method would be by being made to breath pure carbon monoxide gas, which apparently leads to at first great euphoria followed by unconciousness followed by clog popping, so the punter would die happy.
Ahhh, the German T4 method expand to the early death camps of Sobibor Treblinka etc.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 09:50
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I have been shooting full bore for thirty odd years, before that the Army, where they have snipers who can deliver a kill shot from great distances. I know people I shoot with who can, regularly, put ten 7.62/.308 rounds through a target at 600 yards and they will all be bulls with the majority centre bulls so I have no doubts whatsoever that, at, say, twenty five yards such shooters could put a single round straight between the eyes of a prisoner and not damage any other organs. Death may not be instantaneous but loss of consciousness would. A long nosed .22 would do the job perfectly. Think I would opt for firing squad.

Just my view but any person who goes out armed, to commit a crime and is prepared to kill anyone who gets in their way, especially a policeman, in the execution of their duty, deserves the death penalty. I also believe that stories about blank rounds in firing squads are myth, any shooter would know if they had fired a blank.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 10:07
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As vile as it is to contemplate, I suspect you are right parabellum.
Google execution by blade and there are many stories of eyes fluttering in heads separated from bodies etc.
Firing squads aim for the heart - no?
Not a guaranteed instant kill.
A large calibre head shot please, or gas me if you must...
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 10:45
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This thread was supposed to be about topping oneself but then moved on to execution.
I'm against the death penalty, but only because of the risk of killing the innocent.
Head shots sound a very messy way of killing someone, and you still have to dispose of the body.
If you could be really 100% positive of a murderer's guilt then my ideal would be a trapdoor over a disused mine shaft.
Open - drop - close - forget.

That would be a pretty powerful disincentive to murder I believe.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 11:25
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 13:41
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For the condemned violent killer of any loved one of mine, any thing that is agonising and lasts a while. I do not want them going peacefully and with dignity. That is something they did not afford their victim, so why should they expect it.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 14:09
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Justice should be delivered without emotions playing a rôle in it. Lest it becomes mere revenge.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 14:25
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Having experienced hypoxia during RAF training, in an altitude chamber under medical supervision, the effects are euphoria, then unconciousness followed by death. Didn't quite get that far....(!) The most humane way of execution or suicide would be oxygen free nitrogen. Without any oxygen, you get no carbon dioxide...and it is the carbon dioxide that triggers the desire to breathe and the struggling and gasping that can occur. No carbon dioxide, no struggle...just a peaceful departure. I've also tried breathing pure helium once...not balloon gas, as that contains enough oxygen to keep the "squeaky voice" types alive. I used helium gas coming from a dewar of liquid helium used for testing the encapsulation of hybrid microcircuits, so it was definitely pure. Not intending to die, I had to do some very decisive panting to flush out the lungs and get some air in!
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 14:46
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Sally coming from the land of old mine shafts (Cornwall) it was a fairly regular occurrence for an animal to fall down a shaft as I was growing up, either sheep or the odd cow and many household pets - have you ever smelt what happens for months afterwards! Albeit, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 15:15
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Transportation. A modern Van Diemen's Land. A wilderness from which there would be no hope of return for irredeemable criminals. There must be a few cash-strapped countries in the world which would be willing to host/run such a penal colony in exchange for hard currency.
Maybe like Australia?
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 15:40
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Mostafa,
I suspect that the smell as the trapdoor is opened would bring some penitence to the mind of the condemned being walked /dragged towards it.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 19:11
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I fear you are over estimating the smell as one of the major advances in agricultural practice in this part of the world was the invention of the "dead sheep hole".

A simple trench dug as deep as the digger could reach (15' or 20) and dead sheep thrown in year after year with almost no smell as there was almost no air circulation to the surface.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 19:12
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Maybe like Australia?
We have been sending our scrots there for years. Unfortunately the Skippies have been waking up in recent times and are tending to send them back.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 19:38
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That's a thought. How do American Indians sit on a mountain looking at the sunset and decide to go?
Around here, it would usually coincide with -40.

I think that's the way I'd choose too in the event I was ever diagnosed with something nasty. No around with cures for me!!!
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 19:39
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If it must be done, how about anoxia ? I remenber the wartime decompression chambers which came round to OTUs to demonstrate (on you) how worry-free, pain-free, stress-free it was to take you to unconsciousness (near death), then bring you round again with full oxygen.

Many people could not accept that they'd been "away" at all, and insisted that they'd been "normal" throughout !

Do we still do this ? Or has 'Elf 'n Pastry put a stop to it ?

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Old 10th Feb 2017, 23:10
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Without any oxygen, you get no carbon dioxide...and it is the carbon dioxide that triggers the desire to breathe and the struggling and gasping that can occur. No carbon dioxide, no struggle...

Yep, that was my friend's description exactly. He's all set up to avoid all O2 intake. He even mentioned the futility of trying party helium.

Cheerful subject, but one which I was very interested in, though despite a scare a while back, Brachytherapy seems to have saved my bacon - for a while.

I've got approval for leaving my bones to Addenbrookes but they want me to be within 40 miles. I've suggested to the Rivetess that she'd save a truckload of cash by plonking me on a park bench within range with the letter in my pocket.

(I recall I've done the one about tipping an Iceland driver for empty space on a return trip.)

I'm not sure Addenbrookes would want a self-demised personage.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 23:14
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Lest it becomes mere revenge.
Is that not what, as it's basest reason, capital punishment is? You cannot take emotion out of justice. It is an emotion. It is ultimately an individual sense of what is right or wrong, and justice could be said to be a state in which adequate revenge is extracted to make up for the percieved wrong done.
In my view, society has largely forgotten that. There is an overly zealous concern for the perpetrators rights, versus the trampled upon rights of their victims.
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 00:05
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Of course the USA could progress into the 21st Century and abolish the death sentence/penalty all together.
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Strange how the USA always comes into the argument when this subject is discussed when there are in fact another 57 countries in the world which retain the death penalty. Some, in fact, are de facto abolitionist states, not having executed anyone in recent times. Others, however, use it with great frequency, Iran (977), Pakistan (326) and Saudi Arabia (158) are the top three where statistics are available (figures quoted are for 2015), although the fact that China and North Korea do not release figures probably conceals the fact they are probably right up there with those mentioned, if not at the top. The figure for the USA was 28.

Among what might be called modern industrialised states, only Japan, Taiwan and Singapore still have the death penalty. Belarus is the only European country which still executes prisoners.
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