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Old 7th Sep 2016, 08:48
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LCY security, what a bloody joke. Again.
Indeed - force crew and passengers through the (farce and) hassle of removing shoes, belts etc and undergo screening, when a bunch of idiots can get airside without being challenged and with goodness-knows-what in the way of "weapons" too.

IMHO when you take actions such as these, you are saying that you don't give a damn about society's laws and rules - thereby IMHO you don't deserve protection by "human rights" or other legislation. Force should be used and as has already been pointed out, water canon can have spectacul;arly effective results in a short space of time. A bit of foam mixed in with it probably has an even better effect....
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 09:31
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For those of you advocating extreme (and illegal) action against protesters, may I just ask this?

If you feel you have been 'wronged' and the law doesn't seem to support your point of view because (insert reasonable excuse here..lack of funds, access to political clout etc) what would be your course of action?

In addition, to the "shoot first, ask questions later' moro...sorry, advocates, how would you feel if your son/daughter, having wound up with a bunch of politically motivated individuals and, being of an impressionable age, ends up doing something disagreeable such as this and shot dead by trigger happy rozzers?

For what its worth I have no truck with this particular bunch who, as far as I can see, have hijacked one political/civil rights movement to highlight several others that have no link at all. (Black lives Matter-Climate change?)
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 10:17
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3db, a similar thing happened in our village when travellers took over a field which had just been newly fenced so sheep could be put in there. They broke down a brand new wooden gate to gain access.

After trying all other options to persuade them to leave, a tractor towing a muck spreader was brought in, along with a police presence. It was explained that the field would be fertilised in twenty minutes whether or not the caravans were in in or not.

The travellers left inside the twenty minutes.
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Turin, these protesters broke the law. The law allows reasonable force to be used and it should have been used immediately, imho.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 10:41
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
In addition, to the "shoot first, ask questions later' moro...sorry, advocates, how would you feel if your son/daughter, having wound up with a bunch of politically motivated individuals and, being of an impressionable age, ends up doing something disagreeable such as this and shot dead by trigger happy rozzers?
I'd have already disowned the tree hugging hippy twonk....so, meh.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 11:44
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Turin, In principle I agree with what you say. We are afforded the right of free speech within our society, and with that comes the freedom for peaceful demonstration. However, with those rights also comes responsibility. It is the protesters responsibility to ensure that the rule of law is followed at all times for example. Some people have suggested water cannon, rubber bullets etc, well there is a time and place for that. That time and place would have to be pretty dire - not like this situation.
Contrary to what the media likes to try and show us, there are very few people who will stare down a squad of padded up riot police officers. Apprehend and charge, it is that simple. If they fight back, well that is on them (the protesters) and any escalating situation will be treated for what it is. After all, they were in an active security zone, which is promulgated as such for good reason. I am curious as to what extent of the law these individuals will be prosecuted and sentenced.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 12:25
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How long before terrorists initiate an attack under the guise of one of these eco-loon stunts? In fact, yesterday's caper may have given them some ideas. Potential protestors should be warned that any further shenanigans will be met with the cooperation of some of the chaps from Stirling Lines.

It wasn't a protest, it was sabotage and I hope the airport, airlines and everyone else affected sue the pants off them for losses and inconvenience.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 12:59
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I hope the airport, airlines and everyone else affected sue the pants off them for losses and inconvenience.
I suspect that many of these 'protesters' are unemployed and of 'no means' (like hunt antis).

'Anarchists' is probably the appropriate description.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 13:08
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No Fly

See they have now been charged with the obvious. Just hope they go on a lifetime No-Fly List as well. They caused some level of danger and destroyed the travel plans of thousands.
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Apart from the security issues, the one I have trouble reconciling in my person of non-colour brain is the environment element of their protest. As far as I know, the majority our power stations are in rural areas; places not generally known for large populations of persons of colour (just how dark do you have to be to have a colour; or is it the shade that matters?). And the areas around our airports? As far as I know houses go for a premium near LHR and to my knowledge the areas around the rest of the UK are rural, again with no colour ghettos. So either the stupid tart who tried to make the case for rent-a-mob closing the airport has got her facts wrong or I live in parallel universe.

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Old 7th Sep 2016, 13:54
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Have you missed out an apostrophe there?
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 16:07
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totally unrelated, but in Bedford yesterday someone decided to stand on the roof of a building, taunting police. The chopper was up for most of the day, for no apparent reason, apart from it being quite a nice day to fly around. One can only imagine the cost of these police 'operations'
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Old 8th Sep 2016, 02:50
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the mob protesting about Black Deaths
They are a bit late; The Black Death in London fizzled out around 1665.......
That was the plague, black death was a couple of centuries earlier.


"Black lives matter". Now a front for the Socialist Workers Party but the nave idiots probably haven't twigged that yet.
In the hard left (and right for that matter), there are always the "useful idiots".


I'm surprised that this wasn't sorted out in very short order. Are they allowed to continue to remain only because of political correctness about a racial issue?
Perhaps if the courts administered something other than a slap on the wrist to such criminals. The greenpeacers at Heathrow comes to mind. These guys can hardly be given anything else as what the Heathrow nuts got.

Full disclosure. I was a avid supporter of Greenpeace in the 70s, but not any more.
Yes, they'll get the same "rap on the knuckles" as the morons who invaded the Heathrow tunnel.


What has a "Black Lives Matter" protest got to do with City Airport?
Because they reckon that the airport causes pollution and that pollution is "racist". yes, go figure.

You'd think that if they were so concerned about pollution that they would target the badly phased traffic lights that cause traffic to slow down or grind to a halt. It's low-gear driving and stationary traffic that causes most of the pollution.


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So to clarify. This wasn't the Judean Peoples' Front?

Nope, we are talking about the Peoples front of Judea.
Romani ite domum
Nor was it the Tooting Popular Front, Wolfie's lot would have done it properly, steal a tank off salisbury Plain, invade Parliament in the recess, put laxative in the punch at a posh kids' party........

Freedom for Tooting. Fulham for the cup.


IMHO when you take actions such as these, you are saying that you don't give a damn about society's laws and rules - thereby IMHO you don't deserve protection by "human rights" or other legislation. Force should be used and as has already been pointed out, water canon can have spectacul;arly effective results in a short space of time. A bit of foam mixed in with it probably has an even better effect....
The trouble is that under these laws the human rights of criminals always trump those of ordinary law-abiding citizens.


And the areas around our airports? As far as I know houses go for a premium near LHR
You can say that again!!

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Old 8th Sep 2016, 08:46
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Just hope they go on a lifetime No-Fly List as well.
+1.

Same with those "Plain Stupid" [email protected] as well.
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Old 8th Sep 2016, 11:32
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Same with those "Plain Stupid" [email protected] as well.
I got the feeling from the press coverage it was the same people.


Whoever at LCY invited John Stewart, one-man motor-mouth of HACAN, a comparable group, onto the official London City Airport Consultative Committee ?
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Old 14th Sep 2016, 16:40
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The protestors appeared in court today, pleaded guilty to trespass and were given conditional discharges by the magistrate.

The leader of this merry little band of SJWs missed the protest because she was jetting off on a taxpayer funded trip to take part in a feminist conference in Brazil!
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 00:02
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The protestors appeared in court today, pleaded guilty to trespass and were given conditional discharges by the magistrate.
I don't believe it!
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 08:12
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Yep, break into an airport, cause criminal damage, massive disruption to flights and passengers, tie up emergency services for hours at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds and you get a conditional discharge.

Don't buy a 145.50 TV licence and you go to jail.
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 09:25
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Some detail from the court in the local rag here :

Black Lives Matter protesters fined after admitting City Airport trespass (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)

They don't appear to have been "fined" as the headline says but charged costs - and then given a conditional discharge.

I see that "Charges of being unlawfully airside were not continued with". Why ever not ? It's a pretty open and shut fact that they were. Does it mean that all those notices on perimeter fencing about dire penalties if you enter an airport are completely irrelevant ?
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 09:52
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"Does it mean that all those notices on perimeter fencing about dire penalties if you enter an airport are completely irrelevant ? "

To you, me and most other Joe Public - No, but to some bunch of left wing, unsavoury, unemployed, sometimes unwashed, anti-social scumbags - Yes.

Get enough 'media coverage' and it seems that our justice system will be afraid to use the law to maximum effect as it might offend or upset them or some other minority pressure group and get 'bad press'.

Matters not that 95% of the population would welcome a significantly harder line when dealing with these anarchists.
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