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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:46
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As my link stated the EU have agreed that the EHIC will stay post brexit, so what else needs to be negotiated?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:48
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
As my link stated the EU have agreed that the EHIC will stay post brexit, so what else needs to be negotiated?
Trouble is that is not scary so will be ignored as the last succession of posts quite clearly indicate
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:57
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The word connivance was mentioned earlier.....

Here is a example of the word....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...britain-brexit
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:03
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
That might explain my sons 90 bill at A+E in Spain last year
Yes. The system is not perfect and not everyone follows the rules. You should be able to reclaim that expense from the NHS.

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:09
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Wrong:
What is please clarify
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:12
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Originally Posted by Golf-Sierra View Post
Yes. The system is not perfect and not everyone follows the rules. You should be able to reclaim that expense from the NHS.

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You might want to have a read of this

Healthcare in Spain - Healthcare abroad - NHS Choices
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:14
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Interestingly, (again these are estimates put together by the Migration Advisory Committee in 2014) about 60% of migrants in low-skilled jobs come from non-EU countries: roughly 1.2 million people.
Unlike the arrivals from the EU, though, most of them came to the UK at least a decade ago.
And that I think is (or in your case was) the great thing about EU free movement which you miss. If you have people coming in from the other side of the globe they will be more likely to stay put in your country. People from Eastern Europe - yes there are lots of them, but they tend to come and go, it is continuous in/out flow. So when your labour market becomes less attractive (relatively) their numbers will simply drop. The ones who send child benefit back home are really the icing on the cake since they obviously have strong ties back to their home country.

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Golf-Sierra View Post
Travel insurance will seldom cover a pre existing condition. It is also available up to a certain age, otherwise impossible to get or very expensive.
Plus you don't always want to claim everything back - we thought we'd keep a receipt from the Royal Flying Doctor Service for $50 (or whatever it was) as a souvenir rather then give it away to the insurance company.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:16
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And that I think is (or in your case was) the great thing about EU free movement which you miss. If you have people coming in from the other side of the globe they will be more likely to stay put in your country. People from Eastern Europe - yes there are lots of them, but they tend to come and go, it is continuous in/out flow. So when your labour market becomes less attractive (relatively) their numbers will simply drop. The ones who send child benefit back home are really the icing on the cake since they obviously have strong ties back to their home country.
So is it better to have someone who has a stake in the countries wellbeing because they live there or a transient worker just there for the cash?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
So is it better to have someone who has a stake in the countries wellbeing because they live there or a transient worker just there for the cash?
Ah, that wouldn't apply to those Brits in aviation who choose to work in the M.E for a period of time then ?

Or are they simply exonerated ?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
What is please clarify
It is not about citizens but residents.

You are always - with minor exceptions - health insured in the country where you reside in (i.e. live, work, pay tax & nic). That is the way it works in nearly every country and has nothing to do with the EU.

The EHIC system however allows you to use your compulsory health insurance (the one out of taxes) all across the EU when you travel.

So there is nothing illogical with the fact that the UK is claiming so little from other EU countries. Of the 1 mln Polish nationals in the UK 99% work and are therefore insured in the UK and the NHS pays for their healthcare. Actually - when I lived in the UK and travelled back to Poland for holidays I needed my UK EHIC card to see a doctor back here as I was insured in the UK.

Likewise since many UK residents travel abroad - especially on holiday (Spain, skiing etc.) where you are very likely to end up in A&E - the UK pays a lot to health providers in other countries.

Try letting go of the 'citizen' concept and shift towards 'resident'.

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
So is it better to have someone who has a stake in the countries wellbeing because they live there or a transient worker just there for the cash?
This is one of the things that make me giggle most, the SJW's tell us that we have to have this steady influx of EU economic migrants because they are the backbone of our multi cultural society yada yada yada.

But these same massively important people to our social inclusion are apparently the same folk who are now all naffing off for pastures new because the / is not in their favour.

Priceless
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
So is it better to have someone who has a stake in the countries wellbeing because they live there or a transient worker just there for the cash?
That's an interesting point - but I think the answer has to be 'it depends'. Immigration is very individual. You can also argue that if people think their stay is temporary - for instance they get a fixed term visa - it will be more difficult for them to acquire an interest in the country's wellbeing. It is down to the individual and the circumstances.

What sort of migration do you need?

I'm quite astonished that migration is such a big issue but you seem to have so little concrete data on it. I mean even your net migration is an estimate I believe. Have you even started counting how many people leave the country?


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Old 6th Sep 2017, 19:45
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It is not about citizens but residents.

You are always - with minor exceptions - health insured in the country where you reside in (i.e. live, work, pay tax & nic). That is the way it works in nearly every country and has nothing to do with the EU.

T
he EHIC system however allows you to use your compulsory health insurance (the one out of taxes) all across the EU when you travel.

So there is nothing illogical with the fact that the UK is claiming so little from other EU countries. Of the 1 mln Polish nationals in the UK 99% work and are therefore insured in the UK and the NHS pays for their healthcare. Actually - when I lived in the UK and travelled back to Poland for holidays I needed my UK EHIC card to see a doctor back here as I was insured in the UK.

Likewise since many UK residents travel abroad - especially on holiday (Spain, skiing etc.) where you are very likely to end up in A&E - the UK pays a lot to health providers in other countries.

Try letting go of the 'citizen' concept and shift towards 'resident'.
Cheers GS I think I have got it now. So (as I thought) it is our system that is wrong, we should just cover the basics like everyone else.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:15
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Originally Posted by Golf-Sierra View Post

What sort of migration do you need?
You make it sound as though we have a choice.

Although once we leave the EU we could have that conversation...
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
You make it sound as though we have a choice.
Some of us do at the moment, but #brexit is trying to take it away from us.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
Cheers GS I think I have got it now. So (as I thought) it is our system that is wrong, we should just cover the basics like everyone else.
The rules do say you are entitled to the same treatment as residents of the country you are being treated in - so in the Spain example if something is free for Spanish residents you get it for free, otherwise you have to pay. So indeed the basket of services may differ from country to country depending on local rules. It only applies to unplanned treatmnt though.

This is the paradox the EU faces. If we try to get everyone on the same rules - we have problems. If we accept different countries have different rules - we get other problems. Should that stop us from trying though? Is it not worthwhile?

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Some of us do at the moment, but #brexit is trying to take it away from us.
Brexit is taking nothing away from you. The government has already said that any EU immigrants in the country can stay.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
You make it sound as though we have a choice.

Although once we leave the EU we could have that conversation...
Well you do to a large extent since more than half of your migration is from outside the EU. I would love to see an analysis of who these people are. Are you really getting the people that benefit your society as a whole or are you bringing in extended family members on compassionate grounds irrespective of their economic capabilities? What is the balance? I am curious.

Besides if all goes well you'll need to have a policy in place in 18 months. Perhaps even earlier. What will it be?

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Golf-Sierra View Post
Well you do to a large extent since more than half of your migration is from outside the EU. I would love to see an analysis of who these people are. Are you really getting the people that benefit your society as a whole or are you bringing in extended family members on compassionate grounds irrespective of their economic capabilities? What is the balance? I am curious.

Besides if all goes well you'll need to have a policy in place in 18 months. Perhaps even earlier. What will it be?

GS
Hopefully it will be the policy that is giving the Guardian an attack of the vapour's
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