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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:02
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Firstly we are still fully under the ECJ
The EU will require us to be under the ECJ for any transition

To not be under the ECJ we have to pass the great repeal minefield bill itself a nightmare
Would that go through ? I very much doubt it as again the government are trying to build Rome in a day and don't even have the tools to do it! Ot the majority to push through unnaceptable power grabs

Maybe May should have another election so she can get her 100 plus majority she would need
I am sure with all the claimed hard brexit support she has there will be no problem this time around with a 100 plus majority ?
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:08
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More spurious Fear Fodder for the Remain Sheeple to nuzzle up against in their collective quest for the 'told you so comfort blanket'.

Problem is the latest missive appears to fly directly into the face of the previous offering predicting a healthy 13% growth in the housing market over the next 4 years.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
Nip

Firstly we are still fully under the ECJ
The EU will require us to be under the ECJ for any transition

To not be under the ECJ we have to pass the great repeal minefield bill itself a nightmare
Would that go through ? I very much doubt it as again the government are trying to build Rome in a day and don't even have the tools to do it! Ot the majority to push through unnaceptable power grabs

Maybe May should have another election so she can get her 100 plus majority she would need
I am sure with all the claimed hard brexit support she has there will be no problem this time around with a 100 plus majority ?
Pace,

Thank you. Further to your point re EU will 'require' us, that is my point, I did not make well, that the EU want us to do everything their way. They don't seem, IMHO, to be negotiating just making demands. That is fine if they want nothing from us. But both sides can be winners here. If the EU is so great, why are they trying so hard to prevent anyone from leaving? History will not judge the EU in favourable terms with regard to their undemocratic rulings.

I am sure that if you were in negotiations with another party, you would be rightly disgusted if they were acting in the same way as the EU. You would probably up sticks and walk away.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:35
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More housing market 'spin', read them all and then ask yourselves who has actually got it right?

UK house prices: Here's how much house prices in England and Wales have increased in the last year | City A.M.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ley-kensington

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rises-uk-wages

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-savills-says

the housing market is way more than just "Brexit", but you have to have an open mind to see that.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
the housing market is way more than just "Brexit", but you have to have an open mind to see that.
Ooooh the irony!
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 11:47
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
Thank you. Further to your point re EU will 'require' us, that is my point, I did not make well, that the EU want us to do everything their way. They don't seem, IMHO, to be negotiating just making demands. That is fine if they want nothing from us. But both sides can be winners here. If the EU is so great, why are they trying so hard to prevent anyone from leaving? History will not judge the EU in favourable terms with regard to their undemocratic rulings.

I am sure that if you were in negotiations with another party, you would be rightly disgusted if they were acting in the same way as the EU. You would probably up sticks and walk away.
Depends who holds the power. I've negotiated a lower price with a hotel for a last minute room booking (20:00 one evening due to a session that over-ran into the next day) on the basis that he had empty rooms and I was offering him half price against the probable nothing for a negligible increase in costs. I held the power in that discussion. I tried negotiating a price reduction at the till in Waitrose and they told be to use by request as a suppository because they held the power in that negoitiation.

In these "negotiations" with the EU they hold the power on almost every topic. On most topics any move twoards the UK position would be positively harmful for the EU whereas sitting firm has no downsides. To negotiate you need to have something the other party wants, and we have almost nothing in that category, so they have little to gain and a lot to lose by conceding anything in these negotiations.

People have pointed this out over and over again, but they are dismissed by the grate unthinking masses as "project fear". It is not inapprpriate to be afraid when someone has a knife at the throats of your family, and nor is it inappropriate to seek the heads of those of your compatriots who are collaborating with the knife-weilders.

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 12:16
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Meanwhile the pound is down to 1.10 Euros.

Any bets of when it reaches parity?
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 12:19
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
It is not inapprpriate to be afraid when someone has a knife at the throats of your family
That'll be the #brexshitters then - without them there wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Meanwhile the pound is down to 1.10 Euros.

Any bets of when it reaches parity?
Any bets how long it will take to get back up there afterwards?

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Ooooh the irony!
Must admit I did think you would struggle.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Meanwhile the pound is down to 1.10 Euros.

Any bets of when it reaches parity?
Some of us are old enough to remember the last time it hit parity (it was only 8 years ago) and life went on as normal.


Floating currencies do tend to, you know, float...
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
More housing market 'spin', read them all and then ask yourselves who has actually got it right?

UK house prices: Here's how much house prices in England and Wales have increased in the last year | City A.M.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ley-kensington

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rises-uk-wages

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-savills-says

the housing market is way more than just "Brexit", but you have to have an open mind to see that.
Did you actually read the links, in full, before posting them ?

I ask because the first one alone was nothing more than an estate agents promotional piece and no estate agent is ever going to say anything other than "life is good, the market is buoyant "etc, etc ad sales pitch

The other three were less so, apart from promoting the delights of Burnley, but, they did contain references to the other factors involved.

This guide may help explain the terms and their meanings. Read them, with an ( unprecedented ) open mind, what else but, and you may notice all is not as predictable as the figures would like you to think.

Definition of the housing market | Economics Help

And just to add to the growing problems, rail fares look set to rise by 3.6% in January. I'll leave it to you to establish how this figure is arrived at, but here's a clue......inflation may play a part.

Inflation usually results in rising prices, notably for everyday living costs, and, just to add to the fun, there is stagnant wage growth, plus, any change to the mortgage rate, even by as low as say less than 1% results in extra outgoings which cannot be matched with extra income.

There is no such thing as a "comfort blanket" therefore, only the growing reality that our exit is not going to produce the economic resurgence and prosperity so often idolised as being a benefit to the UK leaving the EU.

Still, as long as you can continue boasting about your jaunts, why worry about the economic downturn which will, at some point, affect most of us on here and in the real world.

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:29
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Probably still the UK's fault, as the EU can apparently do no wrong:

EU could block UK trade deals for three years after Brexit | Daily Mail Online
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
This guide may help explain the terms and their meanings. Read them, with an open mind, what else, and you may notice all is not as predictable as the figures would like you to think.

Definition of the housing market | Economics Help

why worry about the economic downturn which will, at some point, affect most of us on here and in the real world.
Thank you for that link which proves 100% categorically that the 'housing market' is about way more things than simply Brexit, the point I and others were making earlier.

I seem to recall you asking earlier in the thread for examples of people voting to Remain out of fear of diminishing pocket contents so I will just leave the underlined above there for consideration.........................
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:51
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I seem to recall you asking earlier in the thread for examples of people voting to Remain out of fear of diminishing pocket contents so I will just leave the underlined above there for consideration.........................
Anyone remain or leave will have voted on their perceived pocket apart from some masochistic nutters

If you are a single mum on benefits you will vote for the party you consider will make your life better.
If you are a wealthy banker you will vote for whoever you think will tax you less

People voted for a new destination rather than the tried and tested with all its warts. Brexavia had many promises of something better. As it comes clearer into view its starting to look like a wind/ rain swept hell hole

I don't know anyone who will vote to be worse off and committed to a decade of austerity
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Thank you for that link which proves 100% categorically that the 'housing market' is about way more things than simply Brexit, the point I and others were making earlier.

I seem to recall you asking earlier in the thread for examples of people voting to Remain out of fear of diminishing pocket contents so I will just leave the underlined above there for consideration.........................
Right, now I understand.

Brexit is totally unrelated to the economic uncertainty the UK faces with our approaching exit from the EU.

That, and I may have mentioned a few other factors involved, all studiously ignored less they open up questions as to the veracity of the claims made by the leave campaign, when not resorting to "project fear" as an illustration of influence, and people may just start to scrutinise these claims in more detail.

As ever, you seem intent on perpetuating the risible and unsubstantiated claim those who voted to remain did so purely for selfish personal finances.

Unfortunately, you seem to have missed out the fact any personal hardship within the UK economy affects everybody, irrespective of how they voted.

The increasing levels of household debt are, presumably, only affecting those of us who voted to remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...er-debt-surges
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
Anyone remain or leave will have voted on their perceived pocket apart from some masochistic nutters

If you are a single mum on benefits you will vote for the party you consider will make your life better.
If you are a wealthy banker you will vote for whoever you think will tax you less

People voted for a new destination rather than the tried and tested with all its warts. Brexavia had many promises of something better. As it comes clearer into view its starting to look like a wind/ rain swept hell hole

I don't know anyone who will vote to be worse off and committed to a decade of austerity
Utter bollox!
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Right, now I understand.

Brexit is totally unrelated to the economic uncertainty the UK faces with our approaching exit from the EU.

I didn't actually suggest that, but I know that you already know that


Unfortunately, you seem to have missed out the fact any personal hardship within the UK economy affects everybody, irrespective of how they voted.
Many voted to Leave knowing that there may well be some financial hardship down route should we actually leave and many voted Remain knowing that there could be some financial hardship down route should we actually leave.

Only you will know what the true reasons for you casting your vote as you did but your continual references to impending financial hardship would naturally draw one to reach the conclusion that that had an influence on your voting decision.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 15:06
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Ok clever clogs what do you think they voted on if not something better ?
Remember only 29% of the voters now support a no deal exit
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Ok clever clogs what do you think they voted on if not something better ?
Remember only 29% of the voters now support a no deal exit
Total myth..

"a major new survey by Oxford University and the London School of Economics has revealed that a significant majority of voters now support scenarios associated with a so-called hard Brexit.

Sixty-seven per cent of people surveyed prefer the “no deal” outcome to an arrangement that included Single Market membership, ongoing payments to the EU, free movement and the supremacy of EU law."



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