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Brexit: The telephone box hampsterwheel

Old 11th Dec 2016, 11:57
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All the talk is populism ?
Brexiteers are highly critical of the EU yet we are no better
We have our own mini EU in the Union

There is only 12 miles between Scotland, Northern Ireland and no borders to Southern Ireland
I am sure a 12 mile bridge could connect so a stronger new block can be formed as part of the EU between the 3
Why should they have to put up with a dictatorial government who listens to no one but it's own view anymore than we have put up with the dictatorial EU

Populism ? Let's hold with this new modern way forward principal and break off Scotland and Northern Ireland and craft London into a Monaco as an independent EU member
Shall we start with pointing out common language, heritage, currency etc. The English asked the Scots to borrow their king for a while (see how that ended). The United Kingdom came together over many centuries, for the European superstate (and that is what the founding article states it will be) to be smashed together in as many decades is folly in the extreme.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Good grief, 52% of the country who voted did so in the full knowledge that there was a better than even chance there would be some initial financial pain. The feckin straw clutching going on in here and the rest of the country is quite embarrassing to watch.
Indeed they did!

My personal view was that any short term financial pain would be as a pin prick compared to the pain we're suffering as a consequence of the banks behaviour and the subsequent financial crash (Arguably nothing really to do with the EU - but the EU didn't provide any useful help when it happened, either).

Everyone I knew that voted to leave also had the same sort of view, the exception being some local farmer friends who took the view that the government would, almost certainly, provide the same sort of subsidies initially as they get through the EU at the moment (and I think they may well be right).
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 14:35
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Theresa May trousers row: angry text exchange between Tories revealed - the guardian
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May carries on with her controlling silence anyone attitude
I wonder if all these expensive clothes are tax deductible ?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 14:45
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Did you actually read the story Pace,

According to the Mail on Sunday, the invitation was rescinded after May’s joint chief of staff, Fiona Hill, who had held initial talks with Morgan and Burt at Downing Street to discuss Brexit, was enraged at the trouser comments.
“Don’t bring that woman to Downing Street again,” Hill texted Burt, the paper said.

This prompted an equally furious reply direct to Hill from Morgan: “If you don’t like something I have said or done, please tell me directly,” she wrote. “No man brings me to any meeting. Your team invites me. If you don’t want my views in future meetings you need to tell them.”
Hill’s response in turn was: “Well, he just did. So there!” – seemingly to indicate that Burt had, indeed, brought her to the earlier meeting. It was three days later, the Mail reported, that Downing Street staff officially told Morgan that she was not invited to see May.
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Downing Street has refused to discuss the issue, saying only that May “meets and engages with colleagues all the time”.
The publication of the texts risk prompting more mutterings among some Tory MPs about the perceived tendency of May and her staff to exert rigid and occasionally very public discipline over her ministers and MPs.
Seems more like the CoS is having a hissy rather than the PM, even if it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 15:05
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Since when did "Woman buys expensive clothes" become national news? Life must be peachy if that's all we have to worry about.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 15:28
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Engineer you are infatuated and in love with the woman
in your eyes she can do no wrong ! In the eyes of the beholder ?
Personally cannot stand her
She is two faced and false
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 16:10
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Pace she is a Remainer and therefore deeply flawed. However, you do seem to have a problem with authoritative women, perhaps an unfortunate incident with matron when you were very young?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 17:46
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Watford 3-2 Everton

Apparently the toffees are arguing that this wasn't really a win for Watford, and not enough weight has been given to the away team that scored 2 goals.
As Everton fans headed away from the game, some of the fans could be heard complaining about the "winning" side. The game was really close and too close to be considered a win for Watford. Only a winning margin of at least 4 goals should be enough.....

Funnily enough, like the referendum that football game has less than ZERO chance of being replayed, just because the losing side didn't like the result.

Brexit will happen. Of that you can be sure. No one in their right mind would think the liberal democrats and the SNP will be able to block it.

Let's see what sort of deal can be worked out with the EU now. Due to limited time, I really don't see much a deal being agreed and ratified. So there probably won't be much of a deal at all.

If that's the case, so be it.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:06
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Anyone incapable of admitting that Mrs. May has proved to be the equal of any male in the political arena and deserves her success is clearly deeply insecure in their own gender identity. Too much browbeating with the feminist agenda since birth perhaps.

You don't have to like the woman, but credit where credit is due. She is, in my not so humble opinion, the best (wo)man for the job at the moment and the only politician with the political nous and savvy to control the rumbunctous pack of public schoolboys that pass for the majority of government nowdays.

Britain has a long history of being dragged out of difficult situations by strong women at the helm of the country. I trust Mrs. May will prove to be yet another member of that long and illustrious heritage.

Personally I don't actually like her, but she is by far the best person for the job, and that is what counts.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:19
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Theresa May faces new Brexit legal challenge - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AYUKcs2R9SieX9KzbO0IroQ


Mr Wilding said: “This is not stopping Brexit, this is shaping it. The country demands a win-win, smart Brexit; not a lose-lose ideological hard Brexit which will damage the UK, damage Europe and for which there is no need and no mandate.”
Latest news another legal challenge being started on Monday
This one has more damage potential than art 50 and will probably end up in the EU courts

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Depending what she sorts will depend on how she goes down in history
I suspect as the woman who divided the country, destroyed the Union and wrecked the economy

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No I just don't like two faced, shallow women with principals they can cast aside in the name of career progress and at the same time depict dignity and principal when they have none

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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:50
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Best for the job?

Yes, from the ranks of those that want it...
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:55
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Mr Grieve, who campaigned for Remain, also insisted "no one is trying to sabotage Brexit" but argued the referendum result did not "close down all debate forever" on the UK's future relationship with Europe.

He said: "It's quite clear to me that we have to get on with the process of leaving he EU and having some fresh relationship with our EU partners but from outside the EU.

"That's the issue which is now going to dominate the politics in which we are involved and it's on that you are going to see the debates."

But he added: "You can't just close down all debate forever.

"What I am not prepared to accept is that because there was referendum on the 23 June that somehow closes down debate for evermore about our relationship we are going to have with the EU and our EU partners."

"But at the same time no one is trying to sabotage Brexit."
A sober assessment.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:15
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Pace, she is doing the job she has been paid to do rather than enacting the path she would like to take. That demonstrates rather more integrity than someone arguing both sides, then abdicating the decision and then incessantly complaining about the choice.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:16
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"But at the same time no one is trying to sabotage Brexit."
Also a load a bolloxs.....
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:36
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Pace, she is doing the job she has been paid to do rather than enacting the path she would like to take. That demonstrates rather more integrity than someone arguing both sides, then abdicating the decision and then incessantly complaining about the choice.
Someone with integrity would decline the position as it was against their principals and that they couldn't as such put their heart into it.

I do have integrity hence why I could not support a question as flippant as was asked in the referendum which could lead to a so called hard Brexit as we have seen since the referendum with a decline in sterling on every hard brexit statement from May
Or maybe you think that the markets talk rubbish over the knowledge and wisdom in this forum.

My choice was for a reformed EU or if not a soft brexit with us as close as possible hence my integrity decision not to vote for a brexit which meant nothing but could mean a lot or remaining in an EU I didn't agree with in its present form

As it was I made the right call because the brexit May is pushing for, the divisions she has created in the country and the economic damage we risk is the last thing I would have voted for.

I almost voted brexit, Had I done so I would have felt my vote and its intentions had been cheated by what we are getting

If May was this person you describe who really was remain and wrote that detailed report on the dangers of leaving, at best she would have shaped her cabinet to reflect that and would be seeking as soft a brexit as possible

Wake up to the fact that she has proved herself to be a two faced self interest individual
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:47
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Also a load a bolloxs.....
Ah, the answer I have been looking for!
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 20:45
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the exception being some local farmer friends who took the view that the government would, almost certainly, provide the same sort of subsidies initially as they get through the EU at the moment
Some hope, given that the whole £350m/week, including their subsidies, was promised to the NHS.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 21:17
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I can't be arsed debating with you Pace, you are more twisted than a corkscrew
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 21:32
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Do you have to stoop to pure insults you should apologise for that ?
Just because someone' doesn't agree with you their twisted ?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 21:53
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Engineer

Do you have to stoop to pure insults you should apologise for that ?
Just because someone' doesn't agree with you their twisted ?
Having been born and raised in the UK I get what engineer is saying and their is no insult in what has been posted.
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