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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:25
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My late mother remembered the war all too well. She voted to stay in the Common Market for the 1975 referendum; in recent years she often said of the EU "I did not vote for this". Had she lived another 14 months she would have voted "leave".
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:29
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My mother says 'this is not what we were sold' and 'this is not what we signed up for'.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:38
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Still, let Gina Miller have her champion of the people 5 minutes of fame and waste a few million.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:38
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Maybe I am missing something here?
You are missing something !
The world should be moving together not becoming isolationist
EASA was a aviation regulatory body created as another burocratic arm of the EU
Aviation has no boundaries with pilots working and moving freely around the world as do aircraft an people
EASA should have based their structures on the largest regulatory system used worldwide called the FAA system so that there was world standardisation
Instead they wanted to re write the rule books

That was one of the big failures of the EU itself trying to do what we are trying to do which is to become isolationist rather than removing world barriers

Your attitude to Germany in a modern world is looking back and inwards, retreating rather than loooking outwards to making us people of the world

So reminds me of the English football hooligan attitude where even a country was shrunk into Manchester supporters or Liverpool etc and they hated each other

The threat of a failed Europe will mean a destabilised Europe
No one other than a brainless fool would wish that
The threat won't be Germany but Russia
Together we stand divided we fall and I have never known a new political trend which is so inward looking and divisive as comes with Brexit
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:47
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If the British empire was still alive and well they're would be hell on. Now why on earth are we looking at recreating it in the form of the EU? Hate-a-Brits and self loathers usually put the British empire as the main reason for their hatred and xenophobia.

Many countries wanted to leave the empire so that they could better govern themselves and tailor policies that are more appropriate instead of a centralised 'one size fits all' approach. So why centralise and remove local controls?

The scots was Independance because they feel better results will come from localised tailored approaches to government. Not Westminster.

Yet the UK leaving the EU. Hell on!

In terms of safety and protection, the UK will continue to be one of the few countries who pay what she should to NATO and are also the world's second biggest giver to foreign aid IN THE WORLD.

Time and time again Remainers cannot explain to me how trading globally, forging our own destinations with countries outside of a small, failing, all white bloc makes us isolationist.

It was only a year ago that war criminal Tony Blair was saying that the EU must reform otherwise it will fail. Fast forward a year this destroyer of countries is saying that we should stay in the EU (which has not and shows no signs that it will) reform.

The EU is like that almighty fart that's been brewing all day. Better out than in.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:17
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You are missing something !
The world should be moving together not becoming isolationist
EASA was a aviation regulatory body created as another burocratic arm of the EU
Aviation has no boundaries with pilots working and moving freely around the world as do aircraft an people
EASA should have based their structures on the largest regulatory system used worldwide called the FAA system so that there was world standardisation
Instead they wanted to re write the rule books

That was one of the big failures of the EU itself trying to do what we are trying to do which is to become isolationist rather than removing world barriers

But dont you think isolation is just what is happening in the EU. If you are a member of the so called open market you are not allowed to make trade deals with anyone else. It all has to be controlled by the EU, thats why we lost our WTO seat and are now represented by a Swedish academic who has no trade background. We live behind a hugh tariff barrier that imposes draconian penaltys on third world countries forcing them into poverty so that they cannot compete against inefficient French farmers. We then have to provide aid to these countries to stop them dying of hunger.

Your attitude to Germany in a modern world is looking back and inwards, retreating rather than loooking outwards to making us people of the world
Again we are not looking inwards as that would be to the EU we need to be looking outwards and the only way we can do that is leave the EU.

The threat of a failed Europe will mean a destabilised Europe
No one other than a brainless fool would wish that
The threat won't be Germany but Russia
Together we stand divided we fall and I have never known a new political trend which is so inward looking and divisive as comes with Brexit
So why are the EU trying to destabalise the one institution that has kept the peace, namely NATO. Th EU army all one big vanity project that will never work because you will have conflict at the highest level as to who controls it. I cannot think of anything more frighting than an unelected clown like Junker in control can you. Brexit is the opposite to what you claim, it is re opening ourselves to the rest of the world rather than staying in one isolated little block.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:20
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Brexit: London banks 'in advanced stages' of shifting operations to Paris - International Business Times, UK Edition
https://apple.news/AxgPIbGjcQVCjTPq1X-Equw

And the exodus will begin in the Jewel of our crown
It's all about content which brexiteers will not acknowledge

As I warned asset stripping of the UK by the EU
Maybe why they are so keen for us to go ?
That itself would make me very suspicious
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:27
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Gertrude - by what stretch of imagination did you manage to read into what I said that I had fun in the war ? It was an utterly ridiculous remark by you.
In the first referendum, in 1975, I voted to stay in the Common Market, believing that it was a trading bloc of countries in Europe with similar economies, culture and so on. Having seen the way that Europe has developed since, into a rigid unbending political state which, as it happens is dominated by one power [ Germany ] and with a huge expansion taking in disparate states, I voted to leave in the second referendum in 2016.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:32
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Pace - time and time again 'brexiteers' do acknowledge the content. You just conveniently skip those posts when they don't feed your rhetoric. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The banking migration to the failed EU has debunked time and time again. Why move from #1 world financial centre to #29? The French have said that they are in advance talks but no bank has confirmed these.

If any bank moved to a country in the Eurozone then I'd be very worried indeed for when the euro does go pop, Paris will be ground zero.

Just last week Deutsch Bank TREBLED the amount of graduates it hired in London. If they were planning on moving to Frankfurt (#19 world financial centre), then why bother with the investment?

Just two weeks ago Barclays, UPS and JP Morgan signalled their intention to remain in London. Most banks said that they do not fear Brexit and do not see themselves shipping out.

Chinise banks signalled their interest in the #1 world financial centre and the Chinese are investing 4bn, of which new buildings for Chinese banks will be included. The Chinese are the ones with all of the money.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:34
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...?client=safari

Property market collapses in London a mix of stamp duty and brexit
As the experts say this will drip down through the property markets with no confidence
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:43
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Pace - not to mention your cherry picking of only the most negative stories.

The title of the last link you posted was "UK LUXURY homes market slumps after Brexit vote". The rest of the market is buoyant. Perhaps a 'small sector of the London market (the 5m+ homes) has seen a slump'.

Housing market outside of London 'remarkably unaffected' by Brexit vote

London house builders to defy Brexit uncertainty

UK housing, hiring stay resilient despite Brexit vote - surveys | Reuters

http://www.economist.com/news/britai...-havent-fallen

I should imagine the stamp duty increases on BTL and second homes will be the major factor with Brexit being second.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:54
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I am in London it used to be that a property went on the market today and sold tomorrow, same with Lettings
I have friends here in that business and it's dire not just in high level property
As you know the property market is controlled by confidence and is very fragile to that confidence
Like the financial pound markets hints of a soft brexit it strengthens hard brexit it crashes
What happens in London filters to the rest and it is not good

I have one friend in Canary Wharf agency who tap into the financial market buyers
A lot are worried about their futures and not prepared to commit to large mortguages

If you want to be positive on brexit the writing has been on the wall for a long time from multiple sources
Look after our biggest market and make sure we have unfettered access to that market
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:58
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Given that London property prices have been running on average at between ten and twenty times of a typical personal annual income, the time is long overdue for some readjustment of the London market.

Two up, two down, terraced house in East London for half a million quid or more affordable housing? Yer 'aving a laugh mate!
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:58
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The rest of the London and the rest of the UK market is buoyant.

Come up north and try and get a new build. My sister looked at one and the queue was 20 deep to get in the sales office. There wasn't even a house fully built yet. All snapped up off plan.

I looked at a few. All of the good plots taken quickly. No incentives offered at all. New developments announced alll of the time.

They're creating huge new towns miles from anywhere and grossly over priced. Still, no problem selling them.

Housing is booming up here. We have all the space we can dream of yet they're now trying to sell us 'studio apartments' (bedsits in my day) close to town at crazy prices. They don't have issues filling them.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:25
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And all those people who have stretched themselves to the hilt and are now on negative equity ? Do you think they are having a laugh mate ? )
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:35
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And all those people who have stretched themselves to the hilt and are now on negative equity ? Do you think they are having a laugh mate ? )
Prices are still way below those pre the banking crisis. I would suggest that negative equity has nothing to do with Brexit.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:42
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The London property market has been massively over-priced for years, largely due to foreign buyers investing and paying way over the odds. The high demand for London properties has created an unsustainable and artificially high price bubble that has long needed bursting.

Anyone who's bought property in London in the past 10 to 15 years knows this is the case, and despite the hardship it may bring to some, I find it hard to be overly sympathetic to anyone owning property there if prices start to drop back to more realistic levels.

People have to use judgement when they buy a property, and assess whether the rocketing increases in price we've seen was going to be sustained for the duration of their borrowing period. Like many, we got heavily stung in the crash of around 25 years ago, and lost around 40% of the value of our house right at a time when I was forced to move to a job several hundred miles away, and sell at the bottom of the market. We went from having a 50% mortgage to having a 90% mortgage on a house in a cheaper area, that was actually smaller than the one we had to sell. At a guess it took us around 10 to 12 years to recover, with a big drop in our standard of living, switching from having reasonably nice new cars (at that time a new BMW every couple of years), down to a third hand, grey import, Mitsbishi, that I then had to keep for the next 6 years, before getting another, similar vehicle, to replace it for the next 4 years.

Our mistake was a hard one to learn, that property prices can, and do, crash, and that sometimes you just have to take the big hit that goes along with it, especially if you have to move with your job every few years, as I did.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:47
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First house we bought lost 25% in value in two years.

The house we bought earlier this year is 9 years old and was listed at 15000 less than it was purchased for when built.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:53
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Bottom line: The court case is now redundant.
You have been reading the rubbish from the daily mail

The CourtCase is about whether the Government or Parliament can enact art 50

All Parliament have got from the Government is a commitment to reveal their negotiating intentions
If Parliament have seen that negotiating intention approve it they will also approve art 50 enactment at the end of March
yesterdays vote is not binding in any way

Obviously if the Supreme Court find that Parliament must be involved in enacting art 50 then it has to be approved by parliament which puts parliament in a much stronger negotiating stance on the approach to Brexit

If the Supreme Court find in the Governments favour they can do what they will regardless of Parliament or at least till some other legislation requires a vote

So in practical terms yesterdays vote was light entertainment and certainly not what the Mail says
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:54
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A property crash or depression in London would be no bad thing. With regard to keeping the bankers in London, there is a lot of noise about it being our biggest service sector. It is also the sector that nearly brought this country to its knees, through bad, toxic debt in the pursuit of excessive profits. I do not care about bankers. I care about people who actually make things. Car manufacturers, steel, pharmaceuticals, farmers, fishermen etc.

If the London bubble bursts (It is founded on excessive profits and money laundering) then maybe the millions of ordinary people who work in London might be able to afford to live there and the ripple affect to places like Surrey, Sussex, Hampshire,Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire might subside.

It is long overdue for a correction and this perverse incentive to use homes as investments needs to be corrected. I blame Kirsty Allsopp and co for fueling the fire.
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