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Old 20th Feb 2018, 09:45
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Originally Posted by funfly View Post
Quoting someone from over 50 years ago (Churchill) with a totally different scenario, seems to illustrate what the Brexiteers are all about. "Bring back the good old days".
I grew up in those "Good old days" and it wasn't so good at all.
Indeed, sad thing is though that those good old days are gone for ever, and no amount of withdrawing from multinational organisations and attempting to plough one's own furrow are going to make them come back.

The empire is long gone, the commonwealth largely an irrelevance on the real world stage, and whatever Brexiteers might insist, leaving one's seat at the big table in Brussels is going to do nothing to enhance the UK's standing in the world, in reality it will probably reduce it.

All this will only come clear however when the deed has been done, by which time it will be too late for the UK to clamber back on board, under the "having one's cake and eating it" opt outs that we enjoy today, and will continue to for 13 more months.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 09:54
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Originally Posted by RetiredF4 View Post
Quote from the link, which comes from the LSE (say no more):
In particular, the EU will no longer trust the UK with sensitive facilities.
This is the same EU that insists that the UK continues to provide them with sensitive product from GCHQ.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:09
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Yes. Both sides will have problems after Brexit.

Who'd have thought it?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:16
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But none of this is news.. Of course, all these agreements that both parties (EU & the UK) wish to continue with will have to be re-drafted - but it's not the end of the world as some appear to think.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:17
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And then there are the farmers. This morning, during the news, I heard the sound of moaning coming from farmers. My ears have developed a knack of shutting down when they get on their high horses (or their Range Rover Evoque etc). Anyway, it started me thinking about the constant whine along the lines of "we won't be able to pick crops, so they will all rot in the ground so we will all starve, the sky will fall in etc". I was wondering, if recruiting foreign labour to exploit (sorry, I probably meant "employ") is going to make production of food so difficult, why not plant the self-picking fruits and crops they used to grow before the influx of foreign labour?
Well, one must assume that is what they did before free movement of labour ended all that, surely? Or was I dreaming in the 1950/60s when I shivered in a field, trying to earn a shilling or two picking spuds and lots of people from the south of England migrated to the fruit growing areas of Kent etc?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:29
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Or was I dreaming in the 1950/60s when I shivered in a field, trying to earn a shilling or two picking spuds and lots of people from the south of England migrated to the fruit growing areas of Kent etc?
It's entirely possible that certain parts of our economy may revert to the 1950/60's, but how many people from the south of England will now be prepared to shiver in a field for a shilling or two?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:48
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's entirely possible that certain parts of our economy may revert to the 1950/60's, but how many people from the south of England will now be prepared to shiver in a field for a shilling or two?
Virtually none and it has been like this for many years. In 1945 the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme was introduced. Mainly east european workers took advantage of this scheme and it peaked in 2009 at over 27000 workers. From 2008 until it was scrapped in 2013 it was almost exclusively Romanian and Bulgarian nationals who received full live and work rights on Jan 1st 2014. There is no reason this scheme could not be re-introduced.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 11:51
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Originally Posted by sidevalve View Post
But none of this is news.. Of course, all these agreements that both parties (EU & the UK) wish to continue with will have to be re-drafted - but it's not the end of the world as some appear to think.
The world will most likely continue for long after all of mankind is extinct. That is a comforting thought.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 12:07
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Stop growing stuff that requires slaves to pick it, if you canít sell it and pay the wages required to attract the staff, itís not a viable investment. Stop expecting the taxpayer to help you..
invest in automation ..
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 12:11
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It will be even more lively when cane sugar can be imported free of tarrifs..
All of East anglia can go back to growing something unsubsidised and useful
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 12:51
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It seems Brexile has been knocked off the front pages ... something to do with Chicken Little.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 13:06
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Originally Posted by ExXB View Post
It seems Brexile has been knocked off the front pages ... something to do with Chicken Little.
Buggah all to do with Brexit, more another example of the race to the bottom in search of more corporate profit. Get rid of a specialist food distribution company, causing 255 job losses and a depot closure, and bring in someone cheaper. The new company underestimate the scale of the job, have insufficient infrastructure in place and fail to cope.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's entirely possible that certain parts of our economy may revert to the 1950/60's, but how many people from the south of England will now be prepared to shiver in a field for a shilling or two?
None, but then I always assumed that was what the North was for - to provide a continuing supply of serfs for this kind of thing.

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Old 20th Feb 2018, 13:55
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Originally Posted by RetiredF4 View Post
What a strange article. Why would we lose access to the systems after Brexit and have all these self driving cars crashing. Anyone in the world can access a GNSS system if they have the correct receiver, whether they are members of the EU or not is irrelevant.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 15:20
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David Davis And Boris Johnson Are The 'Ronaldo and Messi' Of Brexit, Says Michael Gove

This is so funny it shows how bonkers the likes of Gove Boris are
Firstly Gove puts our fishing industry above financial services as a red line?

Fishing accounts for .049 % of our GDP or almost zero
Yet his colleagues described as Ronaldo in politics ?
Makes great economic sense
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 15:27
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