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Old 27th May 2016, 01:49
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I wonder if her vet husband recommends his clients feed their dogs and cats a vegan diet?

Not sure why they had to keep saying they were vegans to "prove a point". I don't care what diet people eat, but it does seem that some vegans seem to want to ram that point home at every opportunity. They are often very aggressive in doing so. I even had one calling me all kinds of names for keeping bees. I asked how their food was going to get pollinated when they had outlawed beekeeping? *crickets*. They can eat what they like but it seems to take away their debating skills.

Once when I was touring with a band a very VERY preachy vegan was late boarding an aircraft and hadn't been seen since check in. Eventually we sprung this person chowing down at Hungry Jacks (Aussie name for Burger King). It seems the Qantas vegan meals were enough to turn them back into a meat eater (If you can call those burgers meat).
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Old 27th May 2016, 09:10
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Yea, like you'd never get a veggie Olympic Gold Medallist would you
Yes .. but .. I just wonder who provided proof and ensured that these so-called "vegetarians", never ever, partook of a food item containing meat products? Hmmm?
Being a 'Vegetarian' or 'Vegan' does not mean that you have never eaten animal products
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Old 27th May 2016, 09:18
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My daughter is a strict vegetarian but I have met a few whose notion of the meaning of the word was somewhat strange.

Out for a meal with a party of friends I was somewhat surprised to see a supposed vegetarian tucking into lobster. When I queried this she told me that she would never eat anything that she would stroke, and as she would never stroke a lobster, it was ok to eat one!

I like to eat veggie meals a couple of times a week at least - not for any health or moral reasons, I just like the change. Fits in well if daughter comes for the weekend, means not having to prepare separate meals.
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Old 27th May 2016, 11:16
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"Out for a meal with a party of friends I was somewhat surprised to see a supposed vegetarian tucking into lobster. When I queried this she told me that she would never eat anything that she would stroke, and as she would never stroke a lobster, it was ok to eat one!"

Was she single by any chance?



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Old 27th May 2016, 11:18
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Should Vegans climb High Mountains
They should climb every mountain and ford every stream.
And indeed follow every rainbow, until they find their dream!
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Old 27th May 2016, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
In fact her main problem on her diet is keeping her weight down - she's far from the stereotypical image of the pale skinny vegetarian
If you look at the mix of starches and fats and proteins in vegetarian diets, and in particular vegan diets, you'll find it is skewed away from protein and towards that which accumulates around the ass, thighs and waist. One of the culprits is, in North America, the high gluten wheat used in most bread. (A book called Wheat Belly is most interesting, as is Bourdain's book on the defense of real food).


Wife and I have been doing gluten free bread, mostly since our high protein diet got quite a bit of weight off, and watching sugars and starches more carefully. She's decided to go paleo to see if she likes it.


Me, I love beans and have numerous recipes for them. They have lots of good nutrients, and are good fuel for most of a day. But we are still omnivores, and our brains grew because of increased protein density in the diet between a million and two million years ago, which came from using fire to cook meat. (About 3-4 years ago a very good article on that theory in Scientific American, can't remember the guy's name).


Vegan? It's a conceit, not a diet.
Vegetarian that is mostly meatless, but accepts dairy and some animal products if not flesh: a workable diet but as you note, one where you still have to be smart about what fuel you put into your body.
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Old 28th May 2016, 11:46
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On holiday in Colorado last year, even at 8000 feet, I got out of breath walking up a not too steep path - on a definitely non-vegetarian diet.

B. Fraser, if you were firing on the Toltec and Cumbres, you would need that breakfast! In 13.5 miles, you climb 2152 feet to 10,015 feet at the summit at Combres Pass, shifting about 4 US tons of coal, with a long stretch at 1 in 25.....Those guys don't have any spare flesh on them!
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Old 28th May 2016, 22:13
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I haven't read all posts, but my first reaction when I heard the dead woman's netball team was attempting to raise $40000 to bring the body home was "This couple went to climb Mt Everest without travel insurance?"

WTF???
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Old 28th May 2016, 22:34
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We don't know if they had travel insurance or not.Given that the mountain is littered with corpses,I doubt you'd get any travel insurance company to even offer a policy for the Everest bit of the trip.
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Old 28th May 2016, 23:30
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If you Google "how much does it cost to climb Everest?" this site comes up (among others)

Everest 2016: How Much Does it Cost to Climb Mount Everest? - The Blog on alanarnette.com

Seems like a basic price is around $25,000, with quotes up to $74,000. Climbing Everest is a well established business, so there will certainly be insurance companies willing to quote you. They give a quote of $500 for insurance which seems very low - cant imagine that covers much more than ripping your sleeping bag. Helicopter evacuation is quoted at $20,000, whether that's dead or alive it doesn't say!
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Old 29th May 2016, 00:56
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Meanwhile the grieving husband has sold his story to the TV networks and will be on telly tonight.

Wow that was quick.

Woman who died on Everest: Husband describes his heartbreaking ordeal
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Old 29th May 2016, 01:19
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Frankly, I would love to see ALL climbing on that mountain suspended by the government until ALL of the debris, human and otherwise has been removed and taken down.

Maybe they could get a certificate that says they would have reached the summit if they hadn't had to carry down a few dead bodies and some oxygen tanks on a sled.
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Old 29th May 2016, 01:23
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Are any of the Sherpas who regularly assist with Mt Everest climbs, vegetarians? Inquiring minds need to know.
It seems this couple were intending to lay claim to them being the 1st vegans to reach the summit - so I was just wondering if there was a general attitude amongst the Everest climbers, that without eating meat, you wouldn't have the stamina for this climb - and that this attitude drove them to prove vegan equality.
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Old 29th May 2016, 04:29
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@onetrack: A first world problem, to be sure, is the fragile egos of vegans.
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Old 29th May 2016, 11:50
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I'm a meat-eater and my wife is a vegan: We've climbed an 8000'er (not Everest) and both suffered from altitude effects. Everyone does.
Blaming the demise of this woman on her diet is, quite frankly, stupid. Altitude sickness can affect anyone and, as long as it's balanced, it makes no difference what diet they have.

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Are any of the Sherpas who regularly assist with Mt Everest climbs, vegetarians? Inquiring minds need to know.
Quite a few of them are, yes. One of my guides was a veggie (not vegan, he ate cheese) and he's summited Everest 4 times.
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Old 30th May 2016, 11:32
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how much does it cost to climb Everest?
Well, if you don't mind carrying someone's bags you might even get paid for it.

I know an Olympic gold medalist athlete who is a strict vegan. She says when she's going full bolt she's literally sucking her @rshole out of her mouth - quite an apt elucidation of her level of fitness rather than her diet.
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Old 30th May 2016, 14:30
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Just what is it about vegans that they feel they have to be so evangelistic about it?
There's a young lady of my acquaintance who, a while ago, felt she'd discovered 'the way, the truth and the light'.

Two problems:
She goes on about it, to whomever will listen (or can't get away) - ad nauseam, and then some.
The second prob is she's developed into considerably less than a fine specimen of humanity - both physically and mentally.

In my encounters with those people over the past forty years or so, I've generally found them to be a bit strange.
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Old 30th May 2016, 17:15
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Stanwell - I might retort - what is it about PPRuNe that so many of its members seem so threatened by vegans that this is the latest of many threads in recent years which have as their theme "vegans are weird"? As I've said before, I'm a meat eater, my daughter's a veggie and neither of us has any problem with the other.

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Old 30th May 2016, 17:27
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Now, c'mon, old chap...
Where did I indicate that I felt 'threatened' by vegans?
If you want to do something, just do it. - Don't run around evangelising as so many of them feel compelled to do.
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Old 30th May 2016, 21:57
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