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Old 25th May 2016, 08:59
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Funding sought to crash 747 into derelict building

Paul Salo says he seeks to recreate the 9/11 crash to discover the truth.
How will survivors and victims' families react to this plan?

Recreating 9-11 in search of 'truth'
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Old 25th May 2016, 09:42
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Is he going to be flying it for the recreation? If so, I'll kick the funding off...
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Old 25th May 2016, 09:53
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A brilliant idea. With a few hundred seats available we should start some nominations. I start with Donald Trump, Tony Blair and all four EU presidents and all 28 EU Commissioners. This will surely make the world a better place.
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Old 25th May 2016, 09:56
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A 747 ? He hasn't done any research yet.Just a publicity stunt.
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Old 25th May 2016, 10:09
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Ask the Saudis, they funded the last one.
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Ask the Saudis, they funded the last one.
Should that be the last three?
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Old 25th May 2016, 13:34
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It actually sounds like an interesting experiment. My bet is that the plane will crash into the building, lots of smoke, fire and molten metal and finally the building collapses.

If done correctly it would be truly fascinating. But then, you'd have to have the right height building, the right construction to match the twin towers (steel outer skin etc) and I'm not sure those are easy to find.

Maybe they could try and recreate the Pentagon hit, because believe you me, I have not a clue as to how those terrorists did that. Hitting tall towers is one thing, but skimming a 757 across the lawn to crash into the Pentagon? That's some serious acrobatic skills that I don't understand.

However, and this is just my own firm belief, I don't think the terrorists imagined the towers to collapse. I honestly think they expected a lot of devastation, absolutely, but they were totally surprised that the towers actually collapsed. That is my own personal reasoning.
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Old 25th May 2016, 14:53
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I don't think it would prove much at all - they would need it to be a very tall building, constructed in a similar manner to WTC, and not in a populated area.


I think that's unlikely.


Not that I believe the official version of events from that day however it would have to be a highly controlled experiment in order to prove anything at all.
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Old 25th May 2016, 14:56
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However, and this is just my own firm belief, I don't think the terrorists imagined the towers to collapse. I honestly think they expected a lot of devastation, absolutely, but they were totally surprised that the towers actually collapsed. That is my own personal reasoning.
Everybody was. The designers, the Port Authority, the FDNY and a small army of structural engineers and architects didn't expect anything to fall down. And of course, they didn't - any objective interpretation of the images says WTC 7 'imploded' and the two towers blew up, floor by floor until nothing was left.

Buildings do not fall over very often and, if they do, they don't fall over like that - straight down, symmetrically, at 64% of the acceleration of gravity, until nothing is left except about eight floors of the outer columns on two sides of both towers. No high rise, steel structure has ever collapsed due to fire, ever. Before or since and building codes and insurance rates in New York, or anywhere else, haven't changed since September 11th 2001 - go figure.

Oh and Sir Isaac's laws of motion are immutable. They cannot be suspended for just one day to make a good cover story. Sorry folks.

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Old 25th May 2016, 14:58
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Maybe they could try and recreate the Pentagon hit, because believe you me, I have not a clue as to how those terrorists did that. Hitting tall towers is one thing, but skimming a 757 across the lawn to crash into the Pentagon? That's some serious acrobatic skills that I don't understand.
I think they modified an aerobatic manoeuvre called landing?
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Old 25th May 2016, 15:01
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In the video he's standing in front of a building and concludes by saying it will happen "right here".
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Old 25th May 2016, 16:07
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I think they modified an aerobatic manoeuvre called landing?
At circa 400kts? Fantastic high speeds are claimed by the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) although I have seen rather more realistic speeds for flight 77, allegedly from a radar plot. 330kts for the two hundred and odd degree turn, decelerating to circa 300kts for the last mile or so.

I haven't looked much at AA77 or UA93, because all the evidence was scarfed up by government agencies within minutes and they refuse to divulge anything. However, fantastic speeds (even more fantastic?) were claimed by the OCT for Flight AA11 and UA175, particularly the latter. Vmo +150 @ circa 700ft? Chyeahright.

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Old 25th May 2016, 16:42
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Hitting tall towers is one thing, but skimming a 757 across the lawn to crash into the Pentagon? That's some serious acrobatic skills that I don't understand.
Really? You don't understand the skills needed to make a gear up landing into a building? There are numerous flight sims available that will let you try it yourself.
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Old 25th May 2016, 17:26
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There's lots of airframes parked in Arizona.

A tall building in an isolated area will be harder to find - perhaps an apartment block in an abandoned Siberian mining town, along with with suitable dosh to the authorities to look the other way when it comes to clean up.
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Old 25th May 2016, 17:36
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Maybe they could try and recreate the Pentagon hit, because believe you me, I have not a clue as to how those terrorists did that.
I'll give you a clue. Point airplane in right direction (all taught in Basic flying exercises such as turning 1 and descending 1) then push/pull and left/right as appropriate to keep building in middle of windscreen as it gets bigger.

As Ken said

There are numerous flight sims available that will let you try it yourself.
Yep..I've seen low hour PPL civvies on simulator experience sessions "fly" under Tower Bridge or the bridge at North Terminal, Gatwick..for a low/nil experience guy it's probably an easier manoeuvre to do than perform an acceptable landing and it sure as heck is not aerobatic.

As for the rest of the conspiracy stuff, go ahead, knock yourselves out.....

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Old 25th May 2016, 18:03
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A brilliant idea. With a few hundred seats available we should start some nominations. I start with Donald Trump, Tony Blair and all four EU presidents and all 28 EU Commissioners. This will surely make the world a better place.
Adding to your nominated list, NK's Yung Fat Un. He can give directions to this derelict and vacant building, probably no aerobatic skills required:

Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang


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Old 25th May 2016, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Landroger View Post
At circa 400kts? Fantastic high speeds are claimed by the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) although I have seen rather more realistic speeds for flight 77, allegedly from a radar plot. 330kts for the two hundred and odd degree turn, decelerating to circa 300kts for the last mile or so.

I haven't looked much at AA77 or UA93, because all the evidence was scarfed up by government agencies within minutes and they refuse to divulge anything. However, fantastic speeds (even more fantastic?) were claimed by the OCT for Flight AA11 and UA175, particularly the latter. Vmo +150 @ circa 700ft? Chyeahright.

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You might find that on a forum populated mostly by pilots, your line will get the derision it deserves. However, with considerable experience engaging 9-11 Conspiracy Theorists for a number of years, I suspect you don't care so long as you can troll and get a response. Just be advised: you won't earn any loose change here.
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I knew a bloke who, back in the 1980s, assured me that the Swedes had crashed a remote-controlled 747 into one of their nuclear power stations in order to demonstrate the integrity of their safety systems.

I just bit my lip and kind of nodded.
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I knew a bloke who, back in the 1980s, assured me that the Swedes had crashed a remote-controlled 747 into one of their nuclear power stations in order to demonstrate the integrity of their safety systems.

I just bit my lip and kind of nodded.
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