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Old 26th Mar 2016, 16:42
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Oh dear. Please look up, my point is passing you at FL370.
My opinion is that right-wing knuckle draggers are in general patronising sanctimonious ass-hats and you don't disappoint.
The irony is clearly lost on you.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 17:40
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Aye, whatever...
You're really not getting it but please keep posting your comedy value is beyond parody.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 17:55
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I'm not really sure that there's much to get.

You make the (incredibly sanctimonious and patronising) claim that those with right wing views are "knuckle-draggers" or "window-lickers" incapable of thought, while throwing around the charge that:

My opinion is that right-wing knuckle draggers are in general patronising sanctimonious ass-hats and you don't disappoint.
And yet you don't see the irony?

Even K&C can do better than that.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 18:03
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<sigh>
Sit down son, and let me explain this to you. I'll type slowly to let you catch up.

You might want to revisit your earlier comments (post 59)

You sound like a prize chiseller and the more you type the more it is being confirmed.

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Old 26th Mar 2016, 18:10
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" They certainly are blind to what is actually happening. Not only blind but in some cases nasty. I can see where Corbyn gets it from. Thank goodness we occasionaly get a decent PM who knows how to handle them. Margaret Thatcher being one who comes to mind immediately " .

A wonderfully stalwart defence of the indefensible..notably right wing ideology from the past, now, in case you missed the various threads, being instigated by the "caring and compassionate" current Gov't.

No matter..as long as a dictatorial stance is perceived as being correct, and those minions, serfs and vassals not actually being agreement with such are kept suitably subjugated, all is well in a Mail readers utopian UK.

" You make the (incredibly sanctimonious and patronising) claim that those with right wing views are "knuckle-draggers" or "window-lickers" incapable of thought, while throwing around the charge that:

My opinion is that right-wing knuckle draggers are in general patronising sanctimonious ass-hats and you don't disappoint.
And yet you don't see the irony?

Even K&C can usually do better than that
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Whilst I am in broad agreement with the sentiments expressed, I do feel knuckle draggers is a step too far...in the evolutionary cycle.

Tertiary level invertebrates however......
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 18:26
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K & C - I recently emailed Lawrie Taylor about his constant use of the term Daily Mail Reader as a lazy shorthand for anyone who didnt follow the general liberal left line pushed on his Radio 4 programme Thinking Allowed. I said it was as irritating to those of us who find themselves a little right of centre as "sandal wearing, Guardian reading lentil knitters" must be for those on the left. He had the good grace to read out my email on his programme, although he stopped short of saying he was going to mend his ways!

Please note that those of us of a generally "right" persuasion are not necessarily Daily Mail readers (personally I never look at the rag) any more than I suppose you wear sandals!
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 18:27
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Now that Mr Doyle is not going to be charged, our PC comrades are foaming at the mouth. Good to see. Some years back there was a poster here who would only post music clips in answer to others' posts. He seemed to think that musicians were profound thinkers. Mr AWZK is that you in a new incarnation? You seem only to post somebody else's graphic while you insult posters whose views you don't agree with. . Back to the subject, I sincerely hope that Mr Doyle gets himself a good lawyer and sues the police for wrongful arrest, racially motivated hurt feelings, loss of earnings and anything else vaguely appropriate. His lawyer should also ask for his DNA sample to be returned.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
He had the good grace to read out my email on his programme
Which, as a good liberal, is exactly what I'd expect him to do
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 22:51
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Now that Mr Doyle is not going to be charged, our PC comrades are foaming at the mouth.
really? Where? I put it to you Mr Bugged that you are talking rubbish.

He seemed to think that musicians were profound thinkers. Mr AWZK is that you in a new incarnation?
If that thought keeps you warm and cosy at night, you knock yourself out, but no I am not that persona.

I sincerely hope that Mr Doyle gets himself a good lawyer and sues the police for wrongful arrest,
Why don't you start a crowdfunder for him? I am sure there will be plenty of fellow travellers who will chip in (EDL, BNP, NF).

racially motivated hurt feelings, loss of earnings and anything else vaguely appropriate. His lawyer should also ask for his DNA sample to be returned.
What the hell are racially motivated hurt feelings?? You sound like a huggy fluffy little bunny.

Just to keep you happy here is another graphic.


That's right; he's a chiseller too.

Goodnight.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 02:44
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I'm just about to consign this thread to a Blocked Access function.

We all have a right to an opinion, even to express it, but the personal, vituperative comments that are now being exchanged as a result, are way beyond civilised discussion. I've been banned from one thread for far less, not even personal abuse.

Why don't you all meet up in a bar somewhere - just let me know which one to avoid.

Don't bother slagging me off, I won't be reading it.

Goodbye.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 06:57
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It seems perfectly clear to me what happened re Matthew Doyle. In their desperation to prevent the escalation of "hate crimes" in the aftermath of Brussels the authorities desperately needed a high profile case such as this.

It was no good having "Kill all Muslims" or some such obviously extreme message that every sensible person might agree was unacceptable, so they chose a mild confrontation such as this to try to send a message to all of us who might be thinking that attacks by Muslims on the general population might be a bit much and therefore might stoke bad feeling towards the Muslim population in general.

Then of course the CPS stepped in and said "Hang on a minute, if we put this in front of twelve good gentlefolk and true, we are likely to get the bum's rush"

On the left/right liberal/authoritarian argument that this thread has led to, I place myself firmly in both former categories. But I see Islam as definitely authoritarian and socially hard line, particularly in terms of sexual freedom and women's rights. In fact I think they are more dangerous than thirties fascism was in terms of potential threat to our society. Trump and Farage are by comparison strong libertarians, my guess is that both are atheists, which is a bonus in my book.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 09:37
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Then of course the CPS stepped in and said "Hang on a minute, if we put this in front of twelve good gentlefolk and true, we are likely to get the bum's rush"
Actually, it's simpler than that. The police in the UK now have relatively limited charging powers. They certainly don't have the power to charge in cases like this one, where the decision must be made by the CPS. As I stated much earlier in the thread, it was difficult to see how the case at hand possibly crossed the CPS' threshold for the crime of inciting religious hatred (of which guidance is freely available online, and which has even tougher charging criteria than inciting racial hatred). The police simply overstepped their authority, and were slapped down by the CPS.

G-AWZK: You have managed to confirm in this thread just about every negative stereotype about the liberal left; a condescending, patronising, holier than thou attitude, combined with breathtaking arrogance, and a propensity to engage in childish attacks on those with whom you disagree. I'll not be wasting any more time or effort engaging with you.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 11:39
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....and with that my irony meter exploded.

Its been good sport while it lasted.

Happy Easter.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 14:04
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Originally Posted by seen_the_box View Post
G-AWZK: You have managed to confirm in this thread just about every negative stereotype about the liberal left; a condescending, patronising, holier than thou attitude, combined with breathtaking arrogance, and a propensity to engage in childish attacks on those with whom you disagree. I'll not be wasting any more time or effort engaging with you.
To which the response was

....and with that my irony meter exploded.

Its been good sport while it lasted.
Confirming your initial 'bold' comment
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 14:15
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As a card carrying reader of Marx, Prudhon et al, the Miliband dad, Bauman and rather too many others, can I just point out that there are, and always have been, different schools of thinking?
Thatcher was pretty left wing compared to Harold Wilson, who closed far more pits than Thatcher did.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 15:24
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I don't think that pit closures is the only measure of left wing ness. Wilson resolutely stayed out of involvement in Vietnam. I would think that had Thatch been at the helm she would have been very quick to commit armed forces to that campaign with all the foreign policy ramifications that would have entailed.
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Old 27th Mar 2016, 17:15
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Maybe the reason that they did not want to go to Vietnam was they did not have much luck when they were there in 1945.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in...945%E2%80%9346)
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Old 28th Mar 2016, 11:38
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From 1963 until 1967 Britain was committed to Aden to the tune of a RAF station, a RM Commando, a Tank regiment, two infantry battalions, a parachute battalion, plus special forces, and all other supporting arms as well as additional naval support. Given Wilson's attitude to the armed forces it is also possible that he wasn't prepared to commit another battle group to Vietnam with the possibility that he couldn't support it logistically, having allowed that side of the MOD to run down to a disgraceful level.
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