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Old 30th Oct 2019, 03:11
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VP959

Your fine upstanding example of a law abiding citizen is to be commended. As are most of our more mature generation, however, this fine example does not transpose easily into some property development tycoons or "slippery" local government officials when it comes to the "mine is bigger than yours", "brown envelope".

Consequently, I offer you this piece of sage advice from Mme Image:

"It is easier to beg for forgiveness, than to ask for permission, when you find yourself in this situation."

(Try getting permission to cut down an Oak Tree that is already growing).

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Old 30th Oct 2019, 05:07
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I can remember many double decker rides up top, LH seat, watching and hearing tree branches slapping merrily against the windows.

Mighty oaks from acorns grow.
Someone said that once.
Get weaving.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:35
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How many years would it take for an oak tree to encroach 5m away? I know what I would do. Health & safety or a policy to contain their future maintenance spend ? Tw+ts.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 09:25
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What is the root system of an oak like? Maybe their thinking was along the lines of potential damage to the road and the services buried beneath it if the roots eventually start undermining the road? In Wiltshire you don't have a great depth of soil above the chalk so presumably the roots will need to expand laterally.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 09:34
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One thunks it may have been prudent to consult the root of the problem first, before branching out .....
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 11:00
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The species of oak was chosen because it's tall and narrow, and we were advised by the local tree warden that the roots only spread as far as the canopy. The trees were going to be far enough away from the road for the roots to not be a problem. We didn't tell the highways people about this, but because we had a grant from the parish council, they heard of it from the minutes of the PC meeting. One of the group has argued the point with the highways chap, and apparently it's not the roots that they are concerned about, but their future insurance liability if a mature tree should be blown down across the road. This is the species of oak that was going to be planted:


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Old 30th Oct 2019, 11:02
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Can you appeal the decision?

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Old 30th Oct 2019, 13:52
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I think it's a wonderful idea, VP959 ... you must do everything you can to get that ridiculous ban overturned.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 14:07
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Both the leader of the group and, I believe, the tree warden, have had a go at trying to persuade the highways people to allow the trees to be planted, to no avail. I suggested that we tell the local paper, in the hope that we could shame the council into reversing the decision, but others think we should try to negotiate with them some more, for fear of losing the grant funding that has been promised by the parish council. We've missed the boat for this year, unfortunately, as we had arranged the planting day to be Remembrance Sunday, with a short service, a bugler, a fly-past, etc, plus some local schoolchildren who were going to help out with the planting, and do a project on the lives of those from the village who's lives were lost, as a history activity. We've just had to accept cancelling everything for this year, as we just couldn't be confident of getting the decision overturned in time.

I'm not sure what happens to the grant money now, either. I think we have to reapply for the Tree Council funding (which was 50% of the cost), as their grants are only eligible for a year.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 15:18
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This is from a neighbouring council. Note the bit about 10m public liability insurance..... and other associated useful bits. The idea is very commendable, even with the excess of ethos and pathos , but really, it's a bit like those who add 10rooms , multiplex cinema, Jacuzzi, 18hole golf course, helipad , airstrip, mooring for the yacht ( well ok, some slight exaggerations here ) to their modest little cottage in the country........ and then get upset when two blokes arrive with a couple of JCB's one day.

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/resid...es-and-ditches

One would venture to suggest the Admiral's ( R.I.P. bless him )response would have been along the lines of "instead of planting tree's they council feckers should be gibbeted !...hanging is too good for them ! ".....the Admiral, as we know, was a fan of Mr Albert P's part time occupation and not averse to suggesting a spot of gratuitous torture would go amiss when he felt it was warranted .....

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Old 30th Oct 2019, 18:58
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Both the leader of the group and, I believe, the tree warden, have had a go at trying to persuade the highways people to allow the trees to be planted, to no avail. I suggested that we tell the local paper, in the hope that we could shame the council into reversing the decision, but others think we should try to negotiate with them some more, for fear of losing the grant funding that has been promised by the parish council. We've missed the boat for this year, unfortunately, as we had arranged the planting day to be Remembrance Sunday, with a short service, a bugler, a fly-past, etc, plus some local schoolchildren who were going to help out with the planting, and do a project on the lives of those from the village who's lives were lost, as a history activity. We've just had to accept cancelling everything for this year, as we just couldn't be confident of getting the decision overturned in time.

I'm not sure what happens to the grant money now, either. I think we have to reapply for the Tree Council funding (which was 50% of the cost), as their grants are only eligible for a year.
Get your MP involved. Since, no doubt, there are plenty of existing trees within 5m, and Highways have no sanction over those, ask what difference these new trees would have on the totality of the risk. I would also ask which policy was involved and what action they intend to advise private landowners about the consequence of not abiding. Tree lined avenues are now a thing of the past are they?
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 19:27
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Well VP, you have had your bad news re Remembrance Day and today I have had the opposite. Due to a blunder or two, I had missed out on my ticket for this year's Cenotaph parade. And today, I received the news that our Association's Secretary had managed to badger (his term) the RBL into coming up with a ticket for me after all.
Time to start polishing the shoes!
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 23:53
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Just been listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Was that 50 years ago?
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 03:25
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I've just read Tony is no longer with us. Please could someone elucidate.
Thanks.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 05:54
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ex matelot, Tony had been unwell for some time and died in February this year...

Post from Bluey...
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 09:33
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Just been listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Was that 50 years ago?
I have to admit I wasn't aware of how long they had been around. I first came across their music while between jobs, having just returned from South Africa in 1977 and awaiting a job in Saudi. I took on a temporary job fixing juke boxes and one armed bandits in pubs around the Liverpool area. At that time, Freebird was very popular and that got me hooked!
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 17:23
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
ex matelot, Tony had been unwell for some time and died in February this year...

Post from Bluey...
Thanks.
there will be Cctv and all sorts fitted to the main gates of heaven now. Probably reinacting Waterloo in his celestial shed
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 10:21
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Passing conversations.....

.Overheard yesterday, ( difficult not to ) an anguished lament in a car park .....apparently, BMW cars in the UK do not automatically change the vehicle's clock time when BST ends......the driver is expected to perform this menial function manually,....all by themselves !

Well that's a pretty damning indictment of the fabled techonology if ever there was one !
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 13:15
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That is true of my 5 Series, it's also a bit of a pain because I do not normally check the time on the clock and when I do, it usually because I don't have my watch on.

Equally, there is no internet access available through the car alone to gain a time signal from anywhere.

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Old 1st Nov 2019, 13:32
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My relatively cheap central heating/hot water controller manages to make the time change without access to the internet, Rugby time signals etc. It is preprogrammed.
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