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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:15
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I don't know personally what to make all of it, I do have some friends with small business on the Mainland Europe but have their HQ in England so things could get tricky. Aussies who have British heritage may no longer be able to move to the Continent in the future.

It does seem down under at least, that the main driver was Islamification of towns in the UK. But no one in the media has the balls to say it. I would think Angela Merkel is pondering life after politics. The media are saying that the EU is likely to break up in the near future as seperatist groups are rallying all over the EU and that Europe will move to the right.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:15
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Of course it was tongue in cheek.
Just watching Boris now on World...
"...it does not mean we will be any less European..."
Even the Chinese think it was a dumb move.
I think you're right catering.
Dog-whistling, fear mongering hate... that's what drove it.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:22
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Of course they will.
Scotland voted Remain.
As soon as the oil price returns to a more favourable level, there will be no holding the SNP back.
Scotland wants to stay in the EU, well that ain't going to happen. If it votes for independence it will have to apply as a new country and will be shunned by the other countries facing separatist movements when it tries to join. There is also the problem of currency, Sturgeon thinks she can keep the pound, another pie in the sky wish as the EU demands new states must adopt the Euro.

It could be the first time in history that the rats make a desperate bid to clamber onto a sinking ship!
I'll lay a bet that Scotland goes nowhere. By the time they get around to organising indyref2 there won't be much of an EU left for Scotland to join. We are the domino.

It'll sink in North of the border over the coming weeks.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:22
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nomorecatering,

Not ONE single town, City, Village or Hamlet anywhere in the UK has anywhere near been Islamified!
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:24
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Dog-whistling, fear mongering hate... that's what drove it.
The British have always blamed Johnny Foreigner for our troubles - it was never our own fault. This is what has been whipped up by Borris et al and he has got the prize.

However, as has been said before, lets hope the turmoil will catalyse a positive action in the UK which will help us emerge from this mess we have landed ourselves in.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:25
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Tartare. Swiss and Norwegian clubs play in both European Club Football competitions (as well as the International ones) as the Swiss and Norwegian Football Asoociations are both members of UEFA. The U.K. is leaving the EU, the Football Association is not leaving UEFA. No changes whatsoever.

(Much like most of this I'd imagine).

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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:26
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It'll sink in north of the border over the coming weeks.
When the Tennants full strength wears off!
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:26
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:28
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It should be fertile ground for a whole new series of Hitler Parodies ....
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:36
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I think the best we can hope for over the next few years is a mass exit by other countries from the EU and the setting up of a new pan European institution. Which of course 50 years down the line will probably be as unaccountable and corrupt as the present instition...
Isn't that what happened once before when the League of Nations failed and disappeared, to be replaced by the United Nations?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:36
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Congratulations on a successful referendum. I have mixed feelings on UK leaving EU though.

Now that people have spoken, is EU really the reason for UK's problems, if so are the issues going to disappear now?

Is Eastern block the issue? Please note it is the West promised them better life.

UK historically granted asylums to whoever asked for it, top it off with family based immigration, you are going to have alienated neighborhoods.

Too much austerity is not good for any economy, just like too much free money and social programs.

How are you going to preach rest of the world about opening up their economies more now?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:40
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Not ONE single town, City, Village or Hamlet anywhere in the UK has anywhere near been Islamised!
But there ARE "muslim areas" where hostility to non-muslims and the British state is easy to unearth.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:42
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And these Muslims have come not from the European Union but from the former colonies of the "Empire" many of whom are still entitled to come here.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:50
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Scotland wants to stay in the EU, well that ain't going to happen. If it votes for independence it will have to apply as a new country and will be shunned by the other countries facing separatist movements when it tries to join...
Yes, these points were well made before the first Indyref, and entirely valid then.. But the situation is rather different now.

With the remaining EU members resentful at the UK's exit, and without the rUK in a position to veto it, and the EU itself in a state of flux, it would be entirely possible for an exception to be made for a Scotland that meets all the social criteria.

There is also the problem of currency, Sturgeon thinks she can keep the pound, another pie in the sky wish as the EU demands new states must adopt the Euro.
Even that may change. If the pound falls in value, and Scotland gets preferential trade deals as an EU member, why should they want to be using the currency of a non-EU country? Would they want their own exchange rates to be controlled in England? I think not.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 10:59
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So, Little Englanders, you're on your way out. So be it. That's your choice and you're stuck with it and your repressive right-wing government. However, one of your big challenges is the future of the UK itself because Scotland and Northern Ireland may well decide to leave the UK and stay within the EU. If they do I'm sure an accommodation will be be made with them. The referendum result has destroyed the old rule-book and I am sure that the EU will be relieved to have got rid of its biggest critic and mocker and will take in the Scots and Northern Irish if they want, probably under existing terms. i would then expect many businesses to transfer out of the rest of the UK, no doubt to Scotland and Ireland. Good for them. In the emotionless world of business and high-finance profit is the only objective and a smaller, inward-looking UK may not be so attractive. Time will tell. In the meantime it might be a good idea to invest in barbed-wire and watch-towers. Both very useful as regards those new borders coming to the remains of the UK, and you'd better buy a few more border patrol boats as well. You're on your own now!
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:05
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When the Tennants full strength wears off!
It's Tennents.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:06
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Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish independence vote 'highly likely' - BBC News
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:09
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FWIW Theresa Villiers has just been on Sky saying as far as she and her friends at Westminster were concerned Scotland couldn't have another referendum...so much for our politicians and democracy....
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:11
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Oleo Strut,

Thanks for that as you clearly do not live here, your opinion is not required thank you.

Anyway, it is clear to see from Juncker's statement about what they think of the UK. In summary 'get out as soon as you can' We have not even invoked article 50 yet and he is saying that the democratic vote of 17 million people is to be ignored. 17 Million. That is more people than the entire population of the following countries:

the Netherlands 17,003,777
Belgium 11,259,000
Greece 10,769,000
Czech Republic 10,535,000
Portugal 10,311,000
Sweden 9,858,000
Austria 8,608,000

You get the point, only 6 EU countries have more population than voted for Brexit.

So this arrogant ex PM from a country of just 575,000 people believes that he can ignore the democratic wishes of more people than are in most EU countries, just shows how broken the EU is. He should be doing everything in his power to prevent us going not pushing us out of the door. I think his head will be next when the French, Dutch and Danish start voting.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:12
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Originally Posted by Evanelpus View Post
When the Tennants full strength wears off!
It's Tennents.
Its a peent o heevy!
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