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Old 8th Jun 2016, 20:43
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Every journey starts with the first step.
wasn't it a lemming who said that? 😄
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 21:48
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wasn't it a lemming who said that? 😄
... Neil Armstrong (ish) ..?
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:24
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Tens of millions of British troops died in the last century protecting these islands against European domination
The ignorance of some people is just beyond comprehension. And yet they are allowed to vote. Having spent the day in Ypres, that comment makes me very angry.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:47
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I spent a day at Ypres a while ago wandering around the graveyards alone until the sun set over them and I concur SSK.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:54
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"The ignorance of some people is just beyond comprehension"

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Old 8th Jun 2016, 23:08
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Thank you TWT. Did you take note of all the graves of Frenchmen and Belgians? All the headstones with Islamic and Jewish symbols?

The French town in which I live was liberated by the Poles. They are still very popular here.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 23:10
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Yes I did SSK.And the Chinese graves in the Commonwealth graves section.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 23:10
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Yellowtriumph - Lao Tzu, his views seemed appropriate with reference to the EU

Lao-Tzu - Ancient History Encyclopedia

"Szuma Ch’ien is the main source for our knowledge about Lao-Tzu. According to his account, Lao-Tzu was the curator of the Royal Library of Chou and, disgusted by the ineptitude and cruelty of the politicians of the time, and the endless suffering of the people, resolved to leave China completely and find a place of peace and solitude." .....

"Lao-Tzu’s claim that “the more laws one makes, the more criminals one creates” is the antithesis of Confucius’s assertion that more laws make better citizens. Regarding Lao-Tzu’s claims, Durant writes,"

The intellectual man is a danger to the state because he thinks in terms of regulations and laws; he wishes to construct a society like geometry, and does not realize that such regulation destroys the living freedom and vigor of the parts. The simpler man, who knows from his own experience the pleasure and efficacy of work, conceived and carried out in liberty, is less of a peril when he is in power, for he does not have to be told that a law is a dangerous thing, and may injure more than it may help. Such a ruler regulates men as little as possible.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 02:50
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That is precisely the situation we find ourselves in. In most European countries everything is forbidden unless the law says you can do it. In the UK everything is generally acceptable so long as it doesn't frighten horses, children, or ladies of a delicate disposition.

The British are very averse to too much interference from above as evidenced by Bodicea fighting against the Romans, Magna Carta, the Civil War and various other rebellions over the last couple of millennia.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 04:35
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In most European countries everything is forbidden unless the law says you can do it.
Really? That's not how it works where I am.

In the UK everything is generally acceptable so long as it doesn't frighten horses, children, or ladies of a delicate disposition.
So just to ensure a laissez faire attitude to regulation and just to make sure the horses don't get spooked the UK has almost the highest density of CCTV cameras in Europe:

Britons embrace CCTV cameras - Telegraph


The British are very averse to too much interference from above as evidenced by Bodicea fighting against the Romans, Magna Carta, the Civil War and various other rebellions over the last couple of millennia.
Something to be rightly proud of but I do hope you are not claiming that is a uniquely British trait.....I'm sure you're aware that there have been rebellions and even Civil wars in Europe much more recently than in the UK as people have fought against those in control for their rights. Whilst for some reason (happiness, contentment, daytime TV, or a fear of what is in the velvet glove...?) mass protest in the UK seems to be less frequent and more rigidly controlled these days than in other parts of Europe it at least shows the Brits and the mainlanders do have something in common after all..

Now as for Bodicea, well, if you insist in going that far back I'll swap you Asterix......and ask: What did the Romans' ever do for us?

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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:08
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wiggy, he is referring to the accepted difference between continental civil law systems under the Napoleonic Code and Anglo-Saxon Common Law systems.

http://www.thomasfleiner.ch/files/ca...galsystems.pdf

The Economist explains: What is the difference between common and civil law? | The Economist
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:12
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It's not everyday that la liberation publishes an op-ed in English. I recommend you read it.

Brexit : Saving private Europe - Libération
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:18
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" In the UK everything is generally acceptable so long as it doesn't frighten horses, children, or ladies of a delicate disposition " .

Yep, that's Norfolk summed up perfectly.....
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:22
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Well that's 5 minutes of my life I won't get back again....
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Don't forget the wine, Brian.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:46
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 07:11
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If you shop in a French supermarket you will find French wine. In a UK supermarket it is vastly outnumbered by those from California, Australia, Chile, South Africa.

The EU is a shrinking market and supplier to the UK in this field, as in many others.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...blind-tasting/

English "sparkling wine", can't call it champagne of course - EU rules......
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 08:17
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Osbourne squirmed last night:

Transcript: George Osborne vs Andrew Neil on Brexit | Coffee House
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 09:28
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If you shop in a French supermarket you will find French wine. In a UK supermarket it is vastly outnumbered by those from California, Australia, Chile, South Africa.

The EU is a shrinking market and supplier to the UK in this field, as in many others.......

English sparkling wine beats champagne in Paris blind tasting

English "sparkling wine", can't call it champagne of course - EU rules......
Indeed.

But if you shop in a German, Belgian, Dutch, Austrian, Italian or Czech supermarket (all of which I have done) you will find a spread of wines from all over the world, including the Southern Hemisphere.

In UK we have an oversupply of bland "alcoholic ribena" from big Australian and other wine makers, and a comparative dearth of more interesting French, and other European wines.

It;s all about what the consumer wants in each market.

The French are French, very patriotic, and so far as wine, and cheese are concerned, believe that they are the only people who can produce quality in either product! They are I'm afraid, again in my opinion, sadly delusional!
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 09:34
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In UK we have an oversupply of bland "alcoholic ribena" from big Australian and other wine makers, and a comparative dearth of more interesting French, and other European wines.
Perhpas you are shopping in the wrong supermarkets

The French are French, very patriotic, and so far as wine, and cheese are concerned, believe that they are the only people who can produce quality in either product! They are I'm afraid, again in my opinion, sadly delusional!

See, we can agree on things. Although I have had many good meals in France, I prefer Spanish and Italian food.
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