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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 11:52
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Sweden says no school places for children of beggars

The children of EU migrants who beg for money on Sweden’s streets should be denied an education, according to a new report. The document, commissioned by the Swedish government from the national coordinator for vulnerable EU citizens, states that migrant children should be entitled to help from social services, but they should not be eligible for school places.

The report’s lead author said people who beg should not be encouraged to bring their children to Sweden. “If the parents do not have a job, they are not entitled to welfare in Sweden, and if they are not we should not open up every school in Sweden for their children. That would mean that these kids would stop going to school in their home countries,” Martin Valfridsson said.

There are estimated to be about 5,000 EU migrants in Sweden who support themselves primarily by begging, the report states. Around 100 children are among that number. Most of the 5,000 are from Romania and Bulgaria.

The report also discourages people in Sweden from giving money to beggars. Åsa Regnér, minister for children, the elderly and gender equality, said last fall that Swedes should not give money to beggars from Bulgaria and Romania, but should instead give money to organizations working in those countries.
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 14:22
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This will not end well.

Within 12 months another 1 million refugees will arrive pr perhaps more, many from failed states such as Pakistan encouraged by their countrymen gaining access to the affluent West. Even now only 35% are allegedly from Syria and the vast majority young men.

Attempting to blockade Greece (through non EU Macedonia!) into a 'mass' camp shows how really and I mean really desperate the EU has become, but, this simply will not work, it would destroy Greek society and become a 'ghetto' country. But the EU think that is a price worth paying.

My thoughts on what will happen? One Million+ mostly Muslim migrants and that is just this year, what about next and moving forward? It is going to get a LOT worse.
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A key to some sort of solution might be the actual decimation of IS (I now use the term ISWAS for them in hope) and the return of Syria to some sort of stability, dictatorship or otherwise. If there were no Syrian refugees the other nationalities who are just taking advantage would be easier to keep out.


However, given their relatively small numbers the combined, so far limited efforts of many major armed forces are so far proving highly ineffective and I am not at all sure why. Hiding among civilians cannot be the only reason.
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A key to some sort of solution might be the actual decimation of IS
Replaced by other bloodthirsty 'brothers' fighting each other in turf wars, likely to be more dangerous than the current situation.

Something that I completely fail to understand and no media seems to address this issue... if Assad is toppled, surely what will replace him will be a Libya type affair... only worse (if at all possible) and far greater instability?

You have huge numbers of Muslim groups fighting IS and occasionally each other (and if IS is toppled, highly unlikely) fighting each other exclusively.

There is a reason these countries are run by Dictators with a whip.

I will never visit a Muslim country in my life (Sweden/Germany excluded) as quite frankly my safety and that of my family comes first.
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 16:29
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I am relying on my wife for translation.

Today, the Finnish president, a respected chap in Finland, gave his annual?address to the Finnish parliament.

The local lentil knitters are up in arms, including the middle and leftish parties, as he, who probably understands the mood in the country, was not of the Merkel persuasion.

I can see Finland leaving the EU if the likes of Merkel and Juncker continue as they do.

Perhaps the likes of Boris, who may save the UK from a Dave stitch up, should start a serious dialogue with the likes of Denmark, Norway to form a northern European coalition against the south.

Maybe the Germans (when they get rid of Merkel), Dutch and a few others may like to join.
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 18:43
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re finncapt's post above, see

President Niinistö: Migrants pose challenge to western values | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 21:24
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It would appear that the Imam who stated just after the second world war, the" the next world war would be won by the wombs of the women of Islam"
is starting to look increasingly correct.

8.In 1975 AD, the Muslim/Algerian President Boumedienne told the UN General Assembly: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one. But not as friends. Because they will burst in to conquer, and they will conquer by populating it with their children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." Based on demographics, the Netherlands are currently most at risk of being taken over by the Muslims, but the cities of Paris and Brussels equally at risk. We predict the Eiffel Tower will be converted to a mosque within 50 year and fly the Crescent moon god symbol atop

Nobody can say the Western societies were not warned.

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An interesting poll by ComRes showing the percentage of those questioned thinking that we should take more migrants has dropped from 49 to 39. So now we have a situation where virtually two in three are against more immigration, it is quite simply reaching a point where they are going to have to take notice of the opinions of those of us who are against the Islamification of Britain.
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Lying through their teeth, and how the Islamists and their propagandists spin a web of deceit.

And it doesn’t stop there. Ms. Ismail – in addition to having written a Guantanamo Bay detainee-sympathising article for the Guardian – also brags about her “fundraising” for charities called “Muslim Hands”, and “Islamic Relief”. Both organisations have alleged links to extremism, with the Telegraph reporting last year that Muslim Hands “also funds Hamas front bodies”, while Islamic Relief has had its banking links with HSBC severed due to “concerns that cash for aid could end up with terrorist groups abroad”.
No doubt to Nishaat Ismail, this is only further evidence that Muslims in the United Kingdom are being oppressed. For those of us with brains, it is even more proof, as if any was needed, that there is a fifth column within Muslim communities in the United Kingdom. And now they’re trying to use dead Syrians, and media outlets like the Independent, Guardian, and Buzzfeed, to get us to support their Islamist-sympathising goals.
Buzzfeed, Guardian, Independent: How A Fifth Column Is Using Dead Syrians And Left Wing News Outlets For Islamist Propaganda - Breitbart
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The only thing I would say regarding this thread is that some contributors have used it to direct their fire to "The Left". This is in fact a totally meaningless term. It presumably includes the New Old Labour that we have seen emerge since the Corbinistas took over.

I have voted Labour all my life and have been a District Councillor for the party from 1986 -2004. As things stand at the moment the chances of me voting for the party are rather less than those of me voting Tory, Lib Dem,UKIP or Monster Raving Loony.

We are in a 1930's situation here where many on the left saw pacifism being more important than the clear and present danger of Hitler. I don't see the current threat as being any less than that one. Islam quite clearly has world domination as an aim and as someone who sees myself as broadly "left" I would rule out absolutely no means of resisting this tidal wave of hate that will be directed at infidels, gays, women and indeed those proponents of a different type of frucacity within their own ranks.
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Old 4th Feb 2016, 06:37
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Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech - Telegraph
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Like most people I would imagine, I was unfamiliar with the whole of the speech, only the one sentence has really carried over into the public imagination. What strikes me is how wrong he was, and how right he was.

The Sikhs, who he condemns for retaining their customs, are no more threat to the British way of life than the Huguenots or the Jews have been. The Hindus have integrated seamlessly, the two who I know closely enough to regard loosely as friends run a grocery and a pharmacy.

I am also sure that the majority of Muslims are no problem, but the minority that are isn't a tiny one, it probably comprises one in ten of those who reside in our midst. Amongst those another one in ten harbours the intent of doing real harm to our society and also probably to their "brothers" who follow a different branch of Islam. One in a hundred isn't many, but in a population of three million it represents a large town of people who all need to be monitored to prevent them from carrying out their dastardly deeds against their fellow citizens.

It's quite surprising that there have been as few reprisals as there have been against Muslims, my guess is that if things carry on that will be the river of blood.
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Old 4th Feb 2016, 08:58
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Almost as Enoch described in 1964/65/66..but he was shouted down by the Red flag Brigade and the rising fluffies on the Blue Banners... PR-B
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He was quoting a prophesy from The Aeneid, (as any fule kno) he never actually used the words "Rivers of Blood" but of course the press jumped on it...if it bleeds it leads!
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"Rivers of Blood" -- what Enoch Powell didn't say

........Roman writers were quite keen on river metaphors when it came to discussions of cultural mixing. The first-century AD satirist Juvenal (Satire 3, 62)complained that the “Syrian river Orontes had long since been flowing into the Tiber” (roughly the equivalent of saying that the Ganges has long since been flowing into the Thames). The Jewish turncoat and historian, Josephus (7, 5), wrote of the spoils of victory (over the Jews) flowing into Rome “like a river”.

Powell was a first rate classicist, and became Professor of Classics at Sydney University at age 25. He made a definite choice not to go down the Juvenal or Josephus route. What he actually said was ‘like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."’ – in other words he's using Virgil, Aeneid VI, 87, a quote that comes half way through that great epic on Rome’s foundation by the Trojan refugee Aeneas.

The words were spoken by the prophetic priestess, the Sibyl from Cumae.....just before she gave Aeneas the secret of going to the Underworld, where he would meet his dead father and learn of the destiny of Rome. She was prophesying the battles that Aeneas would face with the indigenous peoples of Italy before he would be able to found his brand new, multicultural city.

Virgil was offering a long-term message about ethnically mixed states: Rome would become a joint, shared comunity after all the bloodshed......

Powell was characteristically unrepentant about this speech, though it did cost him his ministerial job. But he did say later that he wished he had used the quote in the original Latin: Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno.Then at least everyone would have seen that it was a classical reference.
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Prophead , Thanks for that, it is where I have always regarded myself as being on the political spectrum. I think those to whom you refer are quite small in number but very vocal, and in many cases with access to the media to disseminate their outlandish views.

I think that social media has had a large part to play in the rise of Corbyn, but what his supporters do not understand is that their very leftness is the thing that will destroy them in electoral terms. If longstanding supporters like myself desert them where are they going to get the votes to be elected? The answer is quite simple - they are not.
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I think that social media has had a large part to play in the rise of Corbyn, but what his supporters do not understand is that their very leftness is the thing that will destroy them in electoral terms. If longstanding supporters like myself desert them where are they going to get the votes to be elected? The answer is quite simple - they are not.
Simple - from the "poor refugees".
That's their long-term plan. They are effectively building their voters' base at the expenses of their own countrymen.
In their book is called hospitality and such, in mine is called treason and other nasty names.
I cannot express how much I despise them.
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That's their long-term plan. They are effectively building their voters' base at the expenses of their own countrymen.
"Would it not be easier for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?"-- Bertolt Brecht

"What a great idea!" -- Lefty Huggy-Fluffies.
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General strike in Greece today related to issues stemming from the last bailout.
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DP, I don't think it would be very effective as a way of gaining power. I am pretty certain that if Labour go into the next election with Corbyn at the helm they will lose a substantial tranche of seats and will be reduced to a regional party.
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