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Is Donald (Trump) right (or even correct)?

Old 11th May 2016, 01:59
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40% of all US illegal immigrants arrive by air, so the idea of a wall is little bit 19th century.
Come live in San Diego and say that walls, fences and effective tactics don't work.
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Old 11th May 2016, 03:45
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Since 9/11 the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions.
Oh....really?



Nearly 70 are arrested in America over ISIS plots and they include refugees | Daily Mail Online

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Old 11th May 2016, 06:01
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I am getting a bit tired of ones calling Donald Trump a racist for not wanting illegals in the USA.
Was in Manila recently met up with some Australians that lived in the PI.
They asked what the heck is going on on the USA?
Things out of control there they said.
I simply asked if me and my family came to Australia overstayed our visa or entered the country illegally, would you support me and my family with welfare, would you give me voting rights, driving license etc?
Well no they replied!
Same as every other country in the world!
What part of illegal does not ones understand here?
i cant do that in your country why and never would.
Why slam us here for doing the same thing?
Hillary ,Bernie Sanders all bad news for us here.
Dont slam us for wanting these 12 million illegals out of here.
Dragging us down to 3rd world levels.
i hope all here put the shoe on the other foot and see why this has to stop and why this election is our only hope.
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Old 11th May 2016, 09:29
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Warmair - you have a point, and in fact the UK has taken such measures in the past in our previous long campaign against terrorists.

During the euphemistically called "troubles" in Northern Ireland, a number of US citizens who had proven links with NORAID, the US based organisation which raised large sums of money to fund IRA arms purchases, were banned from entry to the UK, and rightly so.

The British government of the time did not, however, say "We are going to ban all Americans until we can figure what is going on". We assumed all US citizens, including those of Irish extraction, were innocent until we had reasonable grounds for belief that they were guilty - Trump appears to be taking the opposite view.

I said it earlier on, why should my daughter's partner, a UK born lawyer who works for our Ministry of Justice, have to prove to Donald Trump that he has no evil intent if he wants to enter the US purely because he happens to be a Muslim? Guilty until proven innocent appears to be Trump's position.
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Old 11th May 2016, 12:17
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Tankertrashnav

In some ways you've highlighted the base problem - the British government talked about "Americans", Trump talks about "Muslims". Things change, base perceptions sometimes change - or are being strongarmed to change.

In Australia the ideal was always people came looking for a "better life", religion was not a concern and all were free to exercise their beliefs as long as it didn't affect others.
Now we don't talk about countries of origin anymore - it's all about a religionideology which appears to be all about indoctrination/conformity and NOT about a "better life".

That's not what Australia's all about - why should Australia change??

I'm more than happy to consider that the vast majority of muslims just want it as a part of their life - but whilst (lets say) 2% represent islam by getting their jollies beheading people on vidoes with little vilification from the other 98% and their "leaders" - then THAT'S what Islam represents to me.

I think it's disappointing for the 98% - but it's up to the 98% and their "leaders" to fix....or not.

Or maybe I'm 100% gullible - maybe 100% of muslims really DO want to exterminate all the infidels??

Hope not!!

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Old 11th May 2016, 12:19
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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Neck and Neck in Three Battleground States, Poll Finds - ABC News
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Old 12th May 2016, 00:57
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The General Election Campaign has not really gotten under way yet.

Trump opponents have thrown in the Towel but Bernie Sanders continues to campaign against Clinton thus that requires Clinton to divert a lot of effort and money in combating his Campaign.

Polls now mean nothing as it is far too early to give any credence to them.

The Establishment Republicans are still in denial...but reality that they lost the Nomination is slowly sinking in on them.

Those ultra-conservatives who swear they will never vote for Trump will get over their snit fit and in time they will fully grasp that Trump is the best choice even if they hate to admit it.

Lots of disaffected Democrats are going to look at Trump in a kind way....and when they start considering it all....they will shift towards him.

The Media would have you to think Blacks, Hispanics, and Women have all turned their back on Trump but that is a pipe dream.

They are the ones that have suffered the most under the Obamanomics and flat lined Economic Recovery here in the United States.

Trump rightly seized upon the Economy as his key issue.

In time the Polling will shift towards Trump....to what degree will be the key.

We also have to remember the FBI has not made its Referral to the USDOJ yet.

If there is a Federal Grand Jury going on that we do not know about and it starts handing down Indictments on Clinton's Staff and Friends....and perhaps Clinton herself....that is the October Surprise that might happen sooner than that.

I am thinking betting against Trump might be a worse gamble than any that ever took place inside all of his Casino's.
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Old 12th May 2016, 01:30
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What the heck is "Obamanomics"? I've never heard that term.
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Old 12th May 2016, 01:41
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Obamanomics Definition | Investopedia
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Old 12th May 2016, 05:14
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A Third Term for Obamanomics - Wall Street Journal

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Old 12th May 2016, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Dea Certe View Post
What the heck is "Obamanomics"? I've never heard that term.



Political-Economic speak for a rolling SNAFU

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Old 12th May 2016, 14:01
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I am thinking betting against Trump might be a worse gamble than any that ever took place inside all of his Casino's.
He's a fascist in a fascist country. Betting against him would be unwise.

If he accepts a running mate who is acceptable to the corporatocracy which owns America, in the way that Shrub and Raygun accepted the oil industry guys as adult supervision, then he may be allowed to win.

At present, the Goldman Sachs guy (gal, actually) is more likely to be the placeman for the corporatocracy. She's much more acceptable to the big money than Bubba ever was.
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Old 12th May 2016, 14:15
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Point to consider.....the "Emergency" is long past but the Obama attack on Energy producers and other sectors of our economy remains. Ask Clinton about her reception by Voters ( think out of work coal miners) has been affected by her support of Obama's policies has been lately.

Obama is the only President to never had a single year of GDP growth in excess of Three Percent.

The number of people on the Dole is up, Food Stamp enrollment has sky rocketed, Minority Unemployment is at record highs, People out of the workforce is at record highs.

We nearly entered another Recession in the First Quarter of this year with a GDP growth of about .5 Percent.

The Debt Ceiling gets raised each time the limit is reached and we continue to see near Trillion Dollar deficit spending and no real effort to rein in spending by cutting size of government.

The richest Counties in the Nation are those surrounding Wasington, DC.

The list goes on....and any rational person can see that if we do not get our financial situation back on solid ground....all the other issues do not matter as they will be undone by the crash of our economy.



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Old 12th May 2016, 15:23
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The Debt Ceiling gets raised each time the limit is reached and we continue to see near Trillion Dollar deficit spending and no real effort to rein in spending by cutting size of government.
It's a form of insanity which is hard to perceive, let alone comprehend. It's nothing to do with any anatomical or psychological differences between a donkey and an elephant. They're as bad as eachother. It's just nuts.

No sensible person believes that there's the remotest chance of those debts ever being paid off. Even the creditors, the intelligent ones anyway, know that the whole thing is just a suspended fantasy.

Take a look at the levels of debt in the US.
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Old 12th May 2016, 15:30
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Just as a question, one would think that a good portion of the business and investment community think that Mr. Obama's economics are ok. When he entered office the Dow was below 8K, now it is flirting wit 18K--not a bad run is it?
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Old 12th May 2016, 15:39
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Just as a question, one would think that a good portion of the business and investment community think that Mr. Obama's economics are ok. When he entered office the Dow was below 8K, now it is flirting wit 18K--not a bad run is it?
I'm no economic expert but is this not a symptom of record low interest rates for many years? If you've got any money maybe better to put it in the stock market rather than have it languishing in the bank with the threat of negative rates just round the corner and that's before we mention bank runs.

Also how's the value of the dollar since Obama became President?
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Old 12th May 2016, 15:41
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When he entered office the Dow was below 8K, now it is flirting wit 18K
The marketcap of 30 companies.

Is that a legitimate valuation of an eight year period of an emperor of the greatest empire the world has ever known?
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Old 12th May 2016, 16:23
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The marketcap of 30 companies.

Is that a legitimate valuation of an eight year period of an emperor of the greatest empire the world has ever known?
The S&P was at 877 on 1 December 2008. It is now over 2000. Perhaps this is a better measure.
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Old 12th May 2016, 16:26
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Freddy,

The Federal Reserve Bank has been pumping shed loads of money into the financial system which is artificially propping up the Stock Market.

At some point....the Piper shall be paid....and you best be OUT of the Stock Market when that happens.

I have stuck with Municipal Bonds and Dividend paying stable stocks for my Investments mostly....as despite their low Interest Rates or Appreciation Rates....they will not suffer and in most cases will benefit from a Stock Market correction (remember the big one of 40%).

Even my one Puerto Rican Bond has improved by 50% of late.

Mr. Obama's policies are not what has made the Stock Market hold its value during his time in Office....it is the Fed's Pumping Trillions of Dollars into the system but at some point that will end and the Bill will come due.

Economic Growth above 3-3.5% is the salvation of the Economy....not the less than 2.0% we have been seeing over the Bamster's time in Office.

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-ana...-stock-market/

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Old 12th May 2016, 18:24
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Mr. Obama's policies are not what has made the Stock Market hold its value during his time in Office....it is the Fed's Pumping Trillions of Dollars into the system but at some point that will end and the Bill will come due.
SASless has done bust the code. He says it well.

Fiat currency was always open to abuse and it has been abused beyond endurance, not by one or two or Presidents or other princes and potentates but by most of 'em.

Debt based currencies are always doomed.

A rather good documentary film was made on that subject:


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