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Well, I've always been inclined to regard Farage as an amusing side-show... bit like a loveable old uncle who overdoes the Xmas punch and suddenly goes off on a xenophobic rant...
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient.
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient.
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Well, I've always been inclined to regard Farage as an amusing side-show... bit like a loveable old uncle who overdoes the Xmas punch and suddenly goes off on a xenophobic rant...
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient.
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient.
Come to think of it many of the posters on those prang threads in R&N strive to reach that in their own minds
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" Well, I've always been inclined to regard Farage as an amusing side-show... bit like a loveable old uncle who overdoes the Xmas punch and suddenly goes off on a xenophobic rant...
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient" .
You are not alone here, as all those who support and vote UKIP confirm by doing so because he is a very skilled and charismatic orator.....which is why he appeals.
However, as I said in a previous post, events such as the carnage and tragedy in Paris are political dynamite for him and those who support his stance....and therein lies real danger when they start to truly believe all he says.
Lomo...we know, and indeed sympathise.....how long before the charade finishes as it were, and "The Donald", heaven forbid, gets nominated and the real "fun" begins....on the other hand, it's unlikely the world will ever see the Commander in Chief on a windswept carrier deck....can you imagine the destruction 20kts would do to that hairstyle !
I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient" .
You are not alone here, as all those who support and vote UKIP confirm by doing so because he is a very skilled and charismatic orator.....which is why he appeals.
However, as I said in a previous post, events such as the carnage and tragedy in Paris are political dynamite for him and those who support his stance....and therein lies real danger when they start to truly believe all he says.
Lomo...we know, and indeed sympathise.....how long before the charade finishes as it were, and "The Donald", heaven forbid, gets nominated and the real "fun" begins....on the other hand, it's unlikely the world will ever see the Commander in Chief on a windswept carrier deck....can you imagine the destruction 20kts would do to that hairstyle !
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Wrong questions KnC.
The first question to be asked is, if Farage, and numerous security services, were able to forecast the inevitable outcome of this policy, why did the various heads of state and governments press ahead without putting in place suitable safeguards?
Second question, assuming they were briefed, what level of risk and casualties were considered acceptable to proceed? Clinton is castigated and pursued for Bengazi, how many bear responsibility for over 120 civilians dead in Paris?
Last question, since this policy was instigated well above the level of the French government, who bears the responsibility and blame and therefore suffers the consequences? It cannot be left to fal on a few security chiefs. Not only national but EU Commission heads should and must roll as a consequence.
There can and must be no power without responsibility and blame.
The first question to be asked is, if Farage, and numerous security services, were able to forecast the inevitable outcome of this policy, why did the various heads of state and governments press ahead without putting in place suitable safeguards?
Second question, assuming they were briefed, what level of risk and casualties were considered acceptable to proceed? Clinton is castigated and pursued for Bengazi, how many bear responsibility for over 120 civilians dead in Paris?
Last question, since this policy was instigated well above the level of the French government, who bears the responsibility and blame and therefore suffers the consequences? It cannot be left to fal on a few security chiefs. Not only national but EU Commission heads should and must roll as a consequence.
There can and must be no power without responsibility and blame.
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A helpful position . . .
..... or not
I didnt expect much else !
Jeremy Corbyn 'not happy' with shoot-to-kill policy - BBC News
I didnt expect much else !
Jeremy Corbyn 'not happy' with shoot-to-kill policy - BBC News
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er34790 said..........
"I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient."
Prescient, you say! Have a read of Enoch Powell`s "Rivers of blood" speech from 1968.
A bit over the top in places but it gives food for thought.
"I take it all back now. Those comments are extraordinarily prescient."
Prescient, you say! Have a read of Enoch Powell`s "Rivers of blood" speech from 1968.
A bit over the top in places but it gives food for thought.
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Somebody mentioned earlier that Muslims are speaking out in Social Media against the Paris attacks.
In my Facebook circles the Muslim community is doing nothing of the sort. They are circulating emails, tweets, articles and commentaries which ask why everybody is so upset about a hundred deaths in Paris while thousands (of Muslims) are dying elsewhere. They seem to miss the point that many of those Muslims are dying at the hands of other Muslims. But anyhow, so much for that mass rejection of the Parisian attacks on Facebook. That's not what I'm seeing.
In my Facebook circles the Muslim community is doing nothing of the sort. They are circulating emails, tweets, articles and commentaries which ask why everybody is so upset about a hundred deaths in Paris while thousands (of Muslims) are dying elsewhere. They seem to miss the point that many of those Muslims are dying at the hands of other Muslims. But anyhow, so much for that mass rejection of the Parisian attacks on Facebook. That's not what I'm seeing.
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crazies in the US getting their hands on an automatic weapon and killing quite a few people a number of times a year.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Algol, I have read something even more depressing - which accords with the conspiracy paranoia generic to the Middle East.
One of the papers sent a reporter into the Banlieues outside Paris to ask for their reaction to the terrorist attack. The common reply he received was that the attack hadn't been made by Arabs, it was committed by an American unit to discredit the Muslims.
See here:
Cairo Sees Obama ?Plots? in Paris - The Daily Beast
It is the common meme/trope that, no matter what they do to each other, or anyone else, or the evidence or confessions involved - the Israelis and/or Americans are really behind it - except if you ask the Iranians, when it is the British who are the evil Svengalis who even sucker the Americans into doing their dirty work. (Which if you are a Brit is a bit of a back-handed compliment...)
One of the papers sent a reporter into the Banlieues outside Paris to ask for their reaction to the terrorist attack. The common reply he received was that the attack hadn't been made by Arabs, it was committed by an American unit to discredit the Muslims.
See here:
Cairo Sees Obama ?Plots? in Paris - The Daily Beast
It is the common meme/trope that, no matter what they do to each other, or anyone else, or the evidence or confessions involved - the Israelis and/or Americans are really behind it - except if you ask the Iranians, when it is the British who are the evil Svengalis who even sucker the Americans into doing their dirty work. (Which if you are a Brit is a bit of a back-handed compliment...)
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The common reply he received was that the attack hadn't been made by Arabs, it was committed by an American unit to discredit the Muslims.
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For what it's worth.
Waleed Aly on Sydney TV last night.
The Project's Waleed Aly praised for unity message in the wake of Paris attacks
Waleed Aly on Sydney TV last night.
The Project's Waleed Aly praised for unity message in the wake of Paris attacks
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I think the wrong question is being asked.
The question should be: "What can be done that will be an unacceptable price for ISIS to pay?"
Unless we are willing to ask that question, answer it, and then TAKE THE ACTION; we may as well surrender now.
TWB
The question should be: "What can be done that will be an unacceptable price for ISIS to pay?"
Unless we are willing to ask that question, answer it, and then TAKE THE ACTION; we may as well surrender now.
TWB
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Originally Posted by Lantern10
For what it's worth.
Waleed Aly on Sydney TV last night.
The Project's Waleed Aly praised for unity message in the wake of Paris attacks
Waleed Aly on Sydney TV last night.
The Project's Waleed Aly praised for unity message in the wake of Paris attacks
I'm Irish. I grew up when the IRA were blowing up trucks in the UK, and murdering civilians, police and soldiers in northern Ireland. Blowing up a pub in Birmingham filled with people out relaxing after a hard weeks work, a chip shop in Belfast in a Unionist area, a car bomb in Omagh in the middle of a busy market place, I remember that mother with unborn twins who got murdered that day. I hated the IRA then, I hate them now. If I had been living in the UK and been mistreated because of my accent might I have been more sympathetic to the IRA? I hope not, I really do, but you can never know for sure.
However I very much believe no mercy can be shown to ISIS and their affiliates. They have been totally brainwashed. Nothing is as effective at brainwashing people as religion. They can't be negotiated with or reasoned with or isolated or ignored. They have to be wiped out, killed, every one. It really is them or us.
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Ignoring the inspector clouseau style release of the getaway driver on the Belgium border, surely the real cock up is revealed by the 150 anti terrorist raids they have carried out over the weekend, and have seized large quantities of weapons including a rocket launcher.
They haven't suddenly discovered these people, they have been watching them, and waiting - I guess always trying to catch a bigger fish, get a bit more information or evidence, also I imagine they don't want them to know, how much we know about them.
trouble with that game, someone's going to play their hand, and the other side looses. the longer you wait, the greater your possible win. as long as you win.
They haven't suddenly discovered these people, they have been watching them, and waiting - I guess always trying to catch a bigger fish, get a bit more information or evidence, also I imagine they don't want them to know, how much we know about them.
trouble with that game, someone's going to play their hand, and the other side looses. the longer you wait, the greater your possible win. as long as you win.
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US Ranger Fan Ruins Moment Of Silence
Fan ruins moment of silence Rangers hold for France victims
One classless moron’s idea of a joke thankfully did not ruin a classy tribute by the Rangers to the victims of this week’s Paris terrorist attacks on Sunday night at the Garden.
The Blueshirts paid tribute to France and its people prior to their 4-3 win over the Toronto Maple Leafs by holding a moment of silence and then playing France’s national anthem while flying the country’s flag.
During the moment of silence, a sub-human buffoon in the concourse or a high section of the pitch-black arena chanted “Let’s Go Rangers,” an ugly display of ignorance and stupidity and a frustrating reminder of the lowest forms that exist in the world.
A team spokesman could not answer whether the fan had been thrown out for his moronic display. Thankfully, the fool at least was quickly shouted down by several fans who said what everyone else in the arena was thinking: “Shutup!”
Others groaned.
Players on the ice did not react, but the Rangers joined several well-known athletes and public faces on Friday night who lent their thoughts and prayers to the French people as the terror struck Paris.
One classless moron’s idea of a joke thankfully did not ruin a classy tribute by the Rangers to the victims of this week’s Paris terrorist attacks on Sunday night at the Garden.
The Blueshirts paid tribute to France and its people prior to their 4-3 win over the Toronto Maple Leafs by holding a moment of silence and then playing France’s national anthem while flying the country’s flag.
During the moment of silence, a sub-human buffoon in the concourse or a high section of the pitch-black arena chanted “Let’s Go Rangers,” an ugly display of ignorance and stupidity and a frustrating reminder of the lowest forms that exist in the world.
A team spokesman could not answer whether the fan had been thrown out for his moronic display. Thankfully, the fool at least was quickly shouted down by several fans who said what everyone else in the arena was thinking: “Shutup!”
Others groaned.
Players on the ice did not react, but the Rangers joined several well-known athletes and public faces on Friday night who lent their thoughts and prayers to the French people as the terror struck Paris.
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There are Muslims speaking out against the Paris attacks - but the message is always the same.
"We are the constant and repeated victims of dreadful invasive actions by the horrible Western countries, therefore there should be understanding in the West for the justification for the attacks".
The Muslims have played the "victim" card for far too long - and Western countries have acquiesced to that repeated cry by accommodating repeated and increased Muslim demands for preferential treatment.
By far the most infuriating, the most insulting, and the most ungrateful part that defines Muslims, is the way they constantly accept Western countries accommodation, by way of refugee acceptance, by way of maximum utilisation of all the freedoms and benefits that those Western countries offer - then they turn on their hosts and accuse them of mistreatment of Muslims, and then try to destroy their cultures and democracies via 5th column activities, and outright terrorism.
"We are the constant and repeated victims of dreadful invasive actions by the horrible Western countries, therefore there should be understanding in the West for the justification for the attacks".
The Muslims have played the "victim" card for far too long - and Western countries have acquiesced to that repeated cry by accommodating repeated and increased Muslim demands for preferential treatment.
By far the most infuriating, the most insulting, and the most ungrateful part that defines Muslims, is the way they constantly accept Western countries accommodation, by way of refugee acceptance, by way of maximum utilisation of all the freedoms and benefits that those Western countries offer - then they turn on their hosts and accuse them of mistreatment of Muslims, and then try to destroy their cultures and democracies via 5th column activities, and outright terrorism.
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The bottom line really is this point. In the event of a full-scale war between Western countries and a ruthless Islamic aggressor - just how many Muslims currently residing in Western democratic countries that agreed to join that war, would sign up to fight against that Islamic aggressor?
That would be the litmus test as to exactly how much loyalty those Muslims have towards their adopted Western country - which countries had accepted them, given them benefits that they could only dream about in their ancestral country - and which countries had also allowed them freedoms they could also only dream about in their ancestral countries.
I'll wager the numbers of Muslims who claimed medical unfitness, conscientious objection, family reasons - and a host of other reasons why they couldn't fight against the Islamic aggressor - would be overwhelming.
That would be the litmus test as to exactly how much loyalty those Muslims have towards their adopted Western country - which countries had accepted them, given them benefits that they could only dream about in their ancestral country - and which countries had also allowed them freedoms they could also only dream about in their ancestral countries.
I'll wager the numbers of Muslims who claimed medical unfitness, conscientious objection, family reasons - and a host of other reasons why they couldn't fight against the Islamic aggressor - would be overwhelming.
