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Old 7th Nov 2015, 13:53
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Germany is giving German language lessons aimed at enabling integration. That one is a no-brainer.

Of course you will get people my age who probably won't manage that trick, but the young people can certainly integrate, given a chance.

I remember from my American childhood, having third-generation friends with a granny "from the old country" who could only manage broken English, getting by mostly on Polish, Yiddish, or Italian, and keeping to the old ways of cooking and so on.
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 14:05
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The granny will have been staying at home and will have continued to communicate in her native language.
No need to learn the new one.
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 18:33
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The 'Ostritches' will ignore it but in London a young Algerian Asylum seeker has been charged with multiple sexual assaults and exposure after only being in the country a matter of months.

A gang of young Syrian men in a asylum half way house have multiple raped a teenage girl in Kent they are claiming to be under 18 years old to gain maximum benefit.

An Iranian asylum seeker who has been rejected on several appeals and who has raped on several occasions is claiming the train fare to visit the child he fathered after his last prison term and a dingbat judge has granted it under Article 8 of the good old HRC. The judge also granted him the right to remain anonymous.

To hell in a handcart
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 19:24
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Whatever you say, Squire ....

You know how ostritches react, without even knowing how to spell that word.

Here in North Germany, so far, no collapse. I did sight two black girls walking down the street earlier today, but they really did not seem to be plotting anything nefarious from what I could tell just looking at them. Still, you never can tell, can you?
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 19:25
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So you have a carefully selected list of Muslim extremist statements presented on
Not difficult to find many many web sites all with the same message.

If all the refugees really were family group refugees, with young children to educate, then it would perhaps be possible to integrate a certain number of them.

But as is abundantly clear, there are many young men travelling who by no means could be classed as refugees. Already many video's are being posted of villages trashed by these young men because they are not being given their so called rights.

What has happened to the rule of law? since when has it been acceptable to just overrun borders? who has any idea who is coming into the countries involved?

To me it brings to mind "There are none so blind as those that will not see"
 
Old 7th Nov 2015, 22:03
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Chucks ....I'll ask again,how many million 'refugees' do you think that Europe can take?
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 22:08
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What has happened to the rule of law? since when has it been acceptable to just overrun borders?
When a small but vocal minority took over the narrative in Western countries with Orwellian-like double-speak and name-calliing that has got everyone running scared of not following them for fear of being "outed" and ostracized.
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 22:45
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Meanwhile, folks, don't hang out with groups of strange young men who have been drinking, in isolated places, late at night, no matter where they come from; that is just common sense.
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Old 7th Nov 2015, 23:54
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Germany is giving German language lessons aimed at enabling integration. That one is a no-brainer.

Of course you will get people my age who probably won't manage that trick, but the young people can certainly integrate, given a chance.

I remember from my American childhood, having third-generation friends with a granny "from the old country" who could only manage broken English, getting by mostly on Polish, Yiddish, or Italian, and keeping to the old ways of cooking and so on.
In 2010 Merkel openly admitted that the integration of muslims in Germany was an utter failure. Why would things be different five years down the road?

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Old 8th Nov 2015, 05:13
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What we have here is a failure to communicate!

I think that what Frau Merkel was saying there was pretty much what is there to be read, that immigrants would have to adapt to German ways, learning the language and integrating into German society, rather than expecting to live in Germany without leaving their old ways behind.

A lot of the people commenting here are doing so based on God knows what special insights into Europe in general and Germany in particular, when they can miss such obvious clues to the constructive way that Germany's chancellor is attempting to cope with this enormous problem.

There had been this "Kumbaya" mindset that was widely accepted, some sort of "Oh, isn't that cute!" approach to the new neighbors slaughtering a sheep for Id al-Fitr, right out on the sidewalk with blood going everywhere. Well, after one of those traditionalist blokes slaughtered his sister for riding a bicycle (the shameless hussy!) people began to see some sort of basic cultural conflict that has led to this notion that if you want to live in Germany then you shall need to fit into the German way of behaving, and never mind what your mullah tells you to do in the name of Allah.

German society itself has some pretty weird, to me, approaches to things such as crime. For instance, if you can prove that you were utterly drunk when you did some terrible thing then that helps to mitigate your deed; you were incapable of reason when you did it, and alcoholism is, of course, a disease.

In somewhat the same way, if that was Allah telling you to kill your sister, well .... After more than a few "honor killings" Germany has shifted to expecting people to fit in a bit better when it comes to the way that they treat their women in particular, and in the way that they behave in general, although problems that were obvious even before this latest wave of migrants came rolling in still persist to an unacceptable degree. It's not unusual to read of a small riot that kicked off because of a family feud that started way out in the Anatolian bush a hundred years ago, now being pursued in modern Germany with fists, clubs, knives, and guns.

Bremen has a notorious clan, Mallamiyah, who are a law unto themselves. Recently a few immigrant thugs from this group took it amiss to be told that they had to go around, not through, a construction site. They went home, came back with a gang of their fellows, and then beat hell out of the construction workers. When the cops came they could not identify the perps well enough for them to be charged, and so it goes ....

German tolerance has made it easy for problems such as that to flourish, and it's a very slow thing to bring about a shift to a more strict approach, but that is happening. I think you would need to live here to be able to take a more nuanced approach to the interpretation of German reality. What I see here is a lot of folks reasoning on the basis of having read what they basically think that they already know. There's a word for that: prejudice.
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 06:39
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Here in North Germany, so far, no collapse. I did sight two black girls walking down the street earlier today, but they really did not seem to be plotting anything nefarious from what I could tell just looking at them. Still, you never can tell, can you?
It looks worse in Hamburg, and it looks like the Kumbayaagroup is running dry of volunteers:
Hamburger Flüchtlingshelfer senden Hilferuf | NDR.de - Nachrichten - Hamburg
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 07:26
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"Sweden close to collapse" ? Could well be. There are reports today that IKEA is 'running out of beds' ..especially bunk beds....due to high demand from authorities attempting to give all the 'refugees' somewhere to sleep.
P.s. Chucks,still no figures on numbers from you.
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With all due respect ....

I don't think that someone from Melbourne, Australia is quite up to speed on what's happening here in Germany, just as all that I know about Melbourne, Australia is "what I read in the papers," namely "nothing much."

Do you want me to cherry-pick some details about Oz and try to tell everyone about hordes of abos getting boozed up on government money, say? I bet I could do that; it's just a matter of picking the appropriate websites that should tell me what I want to say about that.

I have no idea what you mean by "figures on numbers." Figures and numbers are pretty much the same thing, aren't they?

If you mean to ask if we are getting one hell of a lot of refugees, migrants, asylum-seekers, far more than was expected, well, yes we are! On the other hand, no obvious signs of social collapse are evident to me, and nothing of the sort is being told me about Sweden by my well-informed Swedish friend who works for a branch of the government jobless bureau.
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 11:02
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no obvious signs of social collapse are evident to me, and nothing of the sort is being told me about Sweden by my well-informed Swedish friend who works for a branch of the government jobless bureau.
I just have to ask Chuks, is there some reason we should believe the opinions of your Swedish civil servant friend, no doubt well informed as she must be, over that of the Swedish Foreign Minister, who doubtless is even more well briefed?

Sweden facing 'collapse' because of refugees, foreign minister says
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 11:09
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The 'Ostritches' will ignore it but in London a young Algerian Asylum seeker has been charged with multiple sexual assaults and exposure after only being in the country a matter of months.

A gang of young Syrian men in a asylum half way house have multiple raped a teenage girl in Kent they are claiming to be under 18 years old to gain maximum benefit.

An Iranian asylum seeker who has been rejected on several appeals and who has raped on several occasions is claiming the train fare to visit the child he fathered after his last prison term and a dingbat judge has granted it under Article 8 of the good old HRC. The judge also granted him the right to remain anonymous.

To hell in a handcart
Were any rapes committed by white British people in the UK?
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 11:12
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Chucks...figures/numbers whatever,fact is that no one in authority in any first world country has yet come up with a figure/number as to how many refugees their country can take before the locals get upset.
I may be "someone from Melbourne" but in a previous life have lived in Germany and other parts of the world so there you go we're not all Neanderthals out here in the Antipodes who rely on newspapers for information we even have relatives and friends who live elsewhere.
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 12:33
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If Sweden wants to avoid rioting in the streets, that IKEA furniture should be delivered fully assembled.
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 13:34
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Sweden has found a solution: Sweden Tells Refugees `Stay in Germany' as Ikea Runs Out of Beds

In Sweden, which along with Germany has been the most welcoming, the Migration agency had to let about 50 refugees sleep on the floor of its head office on Thursday night as it tries to find accommodation for the latest arrivals.
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Old 8th Nov 2015, 14:09
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Not at all!

Trying to assemble that stuff from IKEA keeps them off the streets. Think of the hours that takes per piece, times the number of pieces sold ... what else might people get up to if their time was not taken up with trying to figure out the pictogram, find the right little fastener, find where that stupid little hex wrench has got to now, try to find that little fastener that was right there just a moment ago ... it's more than furniture, I tell you; it's a form of social control!

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Old 8th Nov 2015, 16:19
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Oh, OK.
It's just that I got the impression that these people were somewhat lacking in patience and analytical skills.
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