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The Volkswagen pollution monitor defeat device.

Old 17th Oct 2015, 06:57
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This won't be a voluntary recall, I guess. You might skate for as long as two years, the interval between inspections, but then ... no update, no TüV, so no further permission to use the car on the road.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Going in one direction, some car owners have had their cars "chipped," fitted with illegal software that produces more power by making the car non-compliant. This could also be thought of as "chipping," but in the other direction, fitting the car with software to make it compliant, albeit with less power and higher fuel consumption.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 16:37
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How will folks fare that have already had their ECUs' tweaked to increase performance? Will VW be liable to cover the cost of the already purchased, but now useless remap and the subsequent cost of a new remap?
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 16:44
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Oh dear! everything seems to be going pear shaped Sausageside.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 16:48
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Will VW be liable to cover the cost of the already purchased, but now useless remap and the subsequent cost of a new remap?
i don't imagine that VW 'approves' of third-party remaps, therefore there is no liability (IMO).
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 16:52
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Tony, shame on you!

What, did some nasty German drop a bomb on the family bog back in 1943? Your post has a definite air of gloating to it, a hint of Schadenfreude. Please remember that you are a member of the European Union, and try to behave properly.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 20:48
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I predict that few us us will volunteer our cars to be messed up by the dealers.
But if you're daft enough to send it to a main dealer for a service or repair, will they have the bloody cheek to do the recall work anyway, without being asked?
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 20:53
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will they have the bloody cheek to do the recall work anyway, without being asked?
Of course - they will get paid for doing it.
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Old 18th Oct 2015, 11:22
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In Australia the family of a young woman who was killed when her vw golf suddenly slowed on a freeway and hit from hehind by a truck, is today again asking questions regarding VWs statements to the coroner.

The family had gathered reports of hundreds of similar cases of VWs suddenly stopping. But VWs stated that they had no evidence of a sytemic problem.

The coroner took VW at their word.

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Old 18th Oct 2015, 11:50
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VWs stated that they had no evidence of a systemic problem.
Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

It depends on who VW put forward, and to what extent their research was done.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 08:19
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Re the death of Melissa Ryan in her VW that stopped suddenly without warning on the freeway, Judge Ryan of the Coroners Court of Victoria, advised the family thus;

"Volkswagen has always stated, in line with the findings, that there are no systemic issues with manual vehicles that could cause a sudden loss of power.
I would like to also remind you that Volkswagen Group Australia has always fully cooperated with the authorities and has actively assisted the Coroner's Court in its investigations at all times."
The part I find puzzling is that a truck driver hits a car hard enough from the rear to kill the driver, when the vehicle in front suddenly slows - yet the truck driver never faced any charges such as inattentive, dangerous or reckless driving.

Police apparently did not charge the truck’s driver, Ivan Mumford, because his testimony claimed Melissa Ryans Volkswagen slowed suddenly, without illuminating its brake lights.

Anyone who is driving a truck at speed and runs over the car in front merely because it suddenly slows without warning, is either travelling too close, too fast, is inattentive, or just plain negligent.

Whatever happened to "defensive driving" techniques? - the techniques taught to us, that means you always leave adequate distances, measures or options in place, for other drivers who might make an error of judgement?
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Old 20th Oct 2015, 03:22
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Originally Posted by onetrack View Post
Anyone who is driving a truck at speed and runs over the car in front merely because it suddenly slows without warning, is either travelling too close, too fast, is inattentive, or just plain negligent.
To be fair, the majority of drivers are none of those, and yet every vehicle is required to have at least two (usually three) brake lamps fitted. Why should this be if all it takes to avoid a rear-ender is a bit of attention?
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Old 20th Oct 2015, 10:19
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... every vehicle is required to have at least two (usually three) brake lamps fitted. Why should this be if all it takes to avoid a rear-ender is a bit of attention?
To avoid a single point of failure
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Old 20th Oct 2015, 11:37
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Re that truck vs VW Golf, there was an article in The Age newspaper today saying that the investigation won't be reopened. The same article tiptoed around the point that the driver was distracted with a hands free phone call at the time of the accident and may have not realised her speed had dropped off significantly.

I guess mobile interference could be considered a possible cause but it's highly unlikely and impossible to prove.

I'm sure the person at the other end of that phone call would have been called to give evidence.

While there have been fatal accidents relating to a cars electronic system (including the ignition key turning to off due to heavy items on the keyring), it looks like this one wasn't one of them (although she did have a hands free phone installed).
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Old 20th Oct 2015, 14:28
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I've travelled behind numerous vehicles that had non-functioning brake lights, over more than 5 decades of driving (in both cars and trucks).
It was always a bit of a surprise when the vehicle in front stopped without any brake lights warning me - but I never ran into any of them, and I certainly never destroyed the vehicle and killed the driver, just because they slowed unexpectedly.
It is called attention to your driving - and in doing so, it results in a vastly-reduced number of crashes.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 17:47
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The EPA have discovered that the cheat software has also been used in the larger diesel engines used throughout VAG...

These alleged violations are in addition to the NOV issued on September 18th and the ongoing investigation by EPA alleging a defeat device on certain 2.0 liter engines for MY 2009-2015 vehicles.
11/02/2015: EPA, California Notify Volkswagen of Additional Clean Air Act Violations
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 03:36
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Yeah, we were watching the German TV news last night when this one came up, including a live clip from a correspondent speaking from in front of the Town Hall in Hannover. VW was just rebounding from the last bout of bad news, with sales seeming to be holding up, since the US market is relatively insignificant, but now this!

Wolfsburg is utterly dependent upon VW, and the German state of Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen) holds a lot of VW paper, so that all of this is going to make for one very grim Christmas!
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 04:22
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Time for VW to come clean about all their emissions cheats. It's increasingly inconceivable that this wasn't directed from or approved by upper management.

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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 22:31
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And still the discovery goes on

VW says it has found "irregularities" in carbon dioxide emissions levels, which could affect around 800,000 cars in Europe.

The firm said the problem, which it came across while investigating diesel emissions, could cost about €2bn (£1.4bn).

Brands including VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat could be affected, a VW spokesman told BBC News.

The issue mainly affects diesels, but could also include petrol models.
The problem lies in the way certain car types with "smaller engines" were certified to meet carbon dioxide emissions standards, the spokesman added.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as opposed to the NOx involved in earlier allegations, which is a pollutant that causes lung disease.

The so-called irregularities that have now been found relate to the way in which CO2 emissions and fuel consumption were measured during the technical approval process for some models.

Volkswagen has not said whether or not it believes those irregularities were caused by deliberate action and it also has not specified which models are affected.
Are there 10 guilty characters in VW?
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 16:19
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I don't get HRMC's stance.

VAG group has admitted cheating on emissions tests for various reasons, in this country this would impact taxation vis-a-vis VED.

By all means don't prosecute individuals who were duped by VAG, however I don't see why they don't reassess after the defeat software has been removed and then claim the difference back from VAG plus a huge class action fine for tax evasion.

Wonder how many government officials will be getting new VAG cars when the particulates settle?
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 16:50
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Until a proven fix for the suspect software is available, there is no way to determine what the true emissions would be.

The VED system is due to change in (2017?) anyway,

Currently there are 13 CO2-based VED bands, from A(£0) to M (£505). But, from April 2017, there will only be two: zero (£0) for cars that emit no CO2 and ‘standard’ (£140) for everything else. New cars will initially pay VED at a banded rate but will revert to the two-tier system after the first year. Usually, the first-year’s tax is bundled into the ‘on-the-road’ price offered by the car dealer.
However, cars costing over £40,000 will pay an additional £310 supplement for five years.
Cars registered before April 2017 will continue to pay under the current scheme.
and it would be too much trouble for HMG to alter the current system retrospectively.
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