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A Sickness in US Society

Old 11th Sep 2015, 04:38
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Should have picked one up simply because you could!

Well, not sure of the rules for furrineers, but you get the idea.
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Old 11th Sep 2015, 06:26
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Should have picked one up simply because you could!

Well, not sure of the rules for furrineers, but you get the idea.
Getting it home would have proved problematic 👍
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Old 11th Sep 2015, 14:39
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I would have held on to it for ya.

Standard visitation rights given of course. Much the same as the AR I have to keep in Arizona.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 08:12
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 20:08
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Here's one just for Hempy ....

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON 'T STAND FOR NONSENSE

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Found on another site. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading! What say you, Hempy? Is it on the up and up?
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 20:48
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"I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading"

If you dont know how accurate the article is, then how can it make interesting reading.

The article is total bollocks. Its not the first time an article has been published in the US using false data from Australia to deceive the gun toting public.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 21:00
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I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading!
Didn't "It has now been 12 months" give you a clue?
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 21:05
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Not just total bollcks but 8 yr old total bollocks.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 21:41
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Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 22:30
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Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.
Nice research there, but possibly selective. If you want to be rigorous why don't you paste total deaths type for comparison.

Ie. suicide by gun, total suicide rate, deaths by other violent means etc. Does it matter if you die by gun or knife. I would prefer to be shot personally than stabbed to death.

Its all well and good posting selective stats to try and prove a point, but not very rigorous.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 22:47
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Originally Posted by bcgallacher View Post
Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.
Ah yes, that nice vague, dishonest term "gun death" used by people with an agenda. It's as though an inanimate piece of metal could somehow act all by itself.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Ah yes, that nice vague, dishonest term "gun death" used by people with an agenda. It's as though an inanimate piece of metal could somehow act all by itself.
It can't act all by itself, it needs a human input to turn it from an inanimate piece of metal into a dangerous and more often than not lethal weapon. The question you need to ask yourself is why some sane and sensible people who are owners of legally held weapons wake up one day and do sometimes just plain old stooooopid or quite often something very very bad with those inanimate pieces of metal.....
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 01:38
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And that's the reason my weapons should be taken?
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 03:47
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Yes, Westie, SFFP believes that you can't be trusted, so the Nanny State must look you after and collect those inanimate objects for your own protection. Think you are a sentient person, not so fast in the Land of Scared.

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Old 15th Sep 2015, 04:56
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It makes "interesting reading" as an example of rhetoric.

It was posted just as I re-posted it, with no author's name, no date of publication, nothing that lets you check its veracity or not.

So, it's way out of date and its stats are not correct? Is that what is so? Fine, but it just showed up the other day on another site, presented as some sort of objective truth, and I think that is "interesting."

Could someone come up with the correct facts, then, rather than simply scolding me for posting this?
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 05:08
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snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 05:34
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
And that's the reason my weapons should be taken?
As a starting I point I ask you again to consider Mrs Lanza, taking Adam to the range, keeping all those weapons at home........

Do you reckon there might be a smarter way to do that.......
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 05:35
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Yes, Westie, SFFP believes that you can't be trusted, so the Nanny State must look you after and collect those inanimate objects for your own protection. Think you are a sentient person, not so fast in the Land of Scared.

GF
Mrs Lanza, not sure I need say any more......
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 06:38
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One guy with intent will find a way whether he has access to a gun or not.

You make yourself irrelevant with an argument that promotes punishing innocents for the actions of a criminal.
You seem to moved beyond the point you stressed just a few days ago about not wanting to take anyone's weapons away but rather increased training. That was quick, even by anonymous bulletin board standards.

If you're concerned about killing via a weapon, you should focus on taking the UK's drones away before there's more extrajudicial killing of British subjects.

You might have better luck than we have wrt that.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 07:52
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Rh200 et al - total murder rate is down and suicides down by a substantial amount also during the same period. Selective figures regarding gun deaths? I really do not know how to select gun death figures - you are either shot dead or not shot dead. Bullet holes are usually a good indication. As far as gun ownership is concerned none of us know what our mental state will be tomorrow,next week or next year. Some people become aggressive and violent with alcohol. Easy access to lethal weapons contributes to the high rate of gun crime in the USA. Our nut jobs fortunately find it harder to get a gun. Recent figures show an 80% increase in gun ownership in the UK, 1.8 million guns in private hands but falling gun deaths - why? Because gun ownership is controlled,not banned to try to ensure that guns do not fall into irresponsible hands and it appears to work.
Just a final point regarding selection of facts and figures- have a closer look at NRA statements sometime.
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