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Where does the UN imagine all these people are going to go?

Old 25th Aug 2015, 21:26
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I am quite convinced we are unwilling witnesses to the first signs of the fracturing of society as we have known it.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 21:32
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And I wonder how late into the process people with holier than thou attitudes like Nemrytter's maintain their lofty attitudes?

Nemrytter, hard as it might be for you to accept, the troubles we're seeing in the world today are not ALL our (the West's) fault. I cannot accept that I'm a bigot because I wish my grandchildren can lead their lives as they choose to rather than as some religious zealot insists they do.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 22:48
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Until you pick them off their boats, sail back to Libya or the like and offload them then they will keep coming, as soon as the "we paid a smuggler 2k and got on a boat, we were removed from the boat by a European vessel, our boat was sunk, we were loaded onto landing craft and dropped outside of town on the beaches" gets spread around the waiting migrants, the trade will dry up, they also need to take out boats in harbours along the coast.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 23:09
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The UN functionaries and politicians in general are now far too removed from ground level life.


Let's try a business analogy.


You have worked hard for years and built an idea into fully grown successful company that takes care of its people, pays them living wages and turns a profit to enable growth and investor return.
All of a sudden you decide to increase your workforce by 5 or 10% employing unskilled workers in made up positions and the next year you do the same again and plan to continue this action into the future without the possibility of increasing your production to keep pace. Your successful future is now very time limited.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 23:28
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You have worked hard for years and built an idea into fully grown successful company that takes care of its people, pays them living wages and turns a profit to enable growth and investor return.
All of a sudden you decide to increase your workforce by 5 or 10% employing unskilled workers in made up positions and the next year you do the same again and plan to continue this action into the future without the possibility of increasing your production to keep pace. Your successful future is now very time limited.
Of course in this instance it was not our decision nor indeed our actions that caused this massive exit from Africa. Spouting words like "keep em out" will not solve the problem. Turning them round to face the North African coast is not an option as this will result in thousands of deaths mainly by drowning. The profiteers who ship them know exactly how to ensure that they have a point of no return. No-one wants thousands of refugee deaths on their conscience.

I personally don't want our communities swamped by immigrant Africans needing financial support, education and lifestyle changes, the long term harm (to us) will be immeasurable. However we might just have to accept that this is a human disaster happening on a massive scale and we might have to accept the consequences.

Our society will be a very different one in the years to come because of what is happening here. (It will also be a very different one because of what is happening in the Middle East).

Nice to wish that the world will stand still but it won't happen.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 00:15
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The uncomfortable truth is that people want to come to European countries for the security, healthcare, freedom from persecution and opportunities for self advancement that, for the vast majority, don't exist in their own countries. The only way to stem the human tide heading to Europe is to sort out the mess in the migrant countries. As the root cause of the problem is the leaders or lack of leadership in those countries, they need to be dealt with. Their actions are causing our problem, so either they make their countries a decent place for all to live, or we will have to do it for them.

This will need a return to something resembling colonialisation for a while, which the huggy-fluffs won't like, but the huggy-fluffs have not put forward a viable alternative as yet.

Such a plan would be expensive in the short term, although in the longer term a more stable and prosperous Africa and Middle East would be better for the interests of everyone except the arms dealers.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 00:25
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That would require dis-arming all the fighting parties and a few quasi-governments and then installing massive control forces.
Fine if you dream in technicolour.
Only current workable measure is prevention by force. That is how invasions are defended.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 00:31
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I'm trying to imagine what the obituaries of the current crop of European political leaders will say in regards to the part they played (or more to the point, didn't play!) in the current invasion of Europe.

That's if there'll be any newspapers in Europe to print their obituaries 40 or so years from now.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 01:15
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We evolved to the point we are at by survival of the fittest and nature keeping populations sustainable. This has now been changed by things like technology, foreign aid, modern medicine, vaccinations and of course weapons.

The way I see it we have reached the peak of our evolution and whatever happens next the human race is going to be unrecognisable and probably extremely brutal, unless of course we blow our planet to smithereens.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 01:22
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You may well be right Clare. In the shorter term however, I think parts of Europe may become unrecognisable in the near term. There is a mass movement of cultures that neither understand, and in most cases, have no desire to fit in with their new host.

I have a feeling this may end in tears.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 03:03
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SOPS, if reports coming from Sweden are even halfway true, the tears are being shed already by quite a few, particularly young Swedish women. However, their leftist government and most of their media are studiously looking the other way.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 03:26
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According to the polls I've seen, nationalist parties are growing even in Sweden.

The West is in the middle of a preference cascade. In ten years, people will be asking how the heck government policies could do a complete 180 in such a short time.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 03:37
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The fact the those areas owe a lot of their wealth and creature comforts to the fact that they have taken advantage of the lands these people are coming from and been complicit in making it a place they want to leave, is usually lost.

Most, if not all, of the countries that Britain colonised and benefited from were handed over with a developed economy, a democratic form of government and a working legal system, Zimbabwe for one but there are many, many more that were in a better state than they are now . Had they been run properly by their indigenous owners there would be no need for the current mass exodus from Africa. Britain has not been complicit in the downfall of any of it's previous colonies that I can think of.

Well said Basil, on the money.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 04:19
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the tears are being shed already by quite a few, particularly young Swedish women
Their more than welcome to immigrate over here, to get away from it all.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 05:11
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Do what Australia did, courtesy of a Liberal government, and which made the Labor and Greens choke on their lentils, turn back the boats. A professor in Egypt, when discussing the flood of boat arrivals into Australia some years ago, had a solution - shoot them all. A Muslim, and serious.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 05:17
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http://movie-dude.co.uk/Claire%20Dav...r%20(1975).jpg

I taken the liberty of signing you up for a massage from Gretta, one of the blond Sweedish woman you speak of.

Hope that's ok!
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 07:22
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The strange thing about the whole Islamic takeover of Europe is that once they do dominate, all the people who make their trainers, mobile phones, Toyotas and provide their benefits will be gone. Europe will be another Middle East but cold and wet. What then?
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 07:37
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Nemrytter, hard as it might be for you to accept, the troubles we're seeing in the world today are not ALL our (the West's) fault.
I don't recall saying that they were "ALL our fault".
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 08:35
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Australia solved the problem with the boats arriving by denying resettlement to anyone arriving in that manner even if they were a genuine refugee. They were shipped off to Nauru and Papua New Guinea, processed there and offered resettlement in other countries such as Cambodia if found to be genuine.

The result was the flow of boats stopped overnight, there are still occasional ones to test if the policy is still in effect.

Stop illegal immigration now while you still can or you will be swamped.
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 08:40
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I think they are being swamped, Metro. And no one seems to have the guts to turn the boats around. I fear it may be too late.
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