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Where does the UN imagine all these people are going to go?

Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:03
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And before the inevitable.. By staged phot i'm referring to the situation where somebody walking upon a beach saw a child face down and their first instinct was to take a quite high quality photo.
The week after 4 kids died in a lorry with 70 others. The month after hundreds more drowned in one go.
Somebody needed public opinion on side. This shit has been happening since whenever.
Can always count on our electorate to be suckered though..we have a great track record.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 10:08
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WRT staged photos.
I am constantly bemused by reporting from a war zone where at the end of the report, the camera pans to a teddy bear lying on top (not in) the rubble.
Never any other household items, always a bear.
Cameraman - "Reports of a bombing downtown Mosul"
Reporter (female) - "Ok I've got the note book, recorder, you've got the camera and mike. Anything else we need?
Cameraman - "Don't forget the teddy bear"
Reporter - "Check"
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 10:25
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Reporter - "Apparently 10 children and 5 old ladies killed"
Cameraman - "How do you know?"
Reporter - "It's in my notebook"
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 10:33
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Just off topic a bit.
We were thinking of taking a Mediterranean cruise over winter and were planning to upgrade to a luxury suite.
My question is, if the captain was obliged to pick up some illegal immigrants, could I be forced to accommodate them?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:02
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The old 'teddy bear' trick.

I have known several news cameramen who kept one in their cars.Useful for framing in the foreground with the car wreck in the background when there were kids involved.Trouble is,a lot of people just don't realise how totally manipulated 'news' is.For example,say you were the cameraman shooting a video of a street demonstration.The cameraman chooses what to record and what not to record.That's the first bit of editing,the bias,if you will.Then the producer looks at that footage and makes other choices about what is used and also what shots to insert in order to support his bias,or the bias of the news organisation.By the time it makes it to air,it bears no resemblance whatsoever to the events that took place on the streets.

This is the reason why so many public figures will only ever do a 'live to air' interview.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:23
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a quote from the article referred to in this thread:
By that benchmark, this week in Budapest was a catalogue of failures, characterised by fears and confusion on all sides, forcing the migrants to march up a motorway in order to get action from authorities who – like it or not – owed them a duty of care*.
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And so it was by lunchtime that another 600 migrants set off on foot towards the M1 to Vienna, unsure if they would picked up by buses like those had been on Friday – and if not, then why not.
“Why are there are no buses?” asked Wasim Al Jubail, a 29 year old Syrian who left a holding camp for Keleti square after hearing of Saturday night’s crossings into Austria. “We are very confused,” he said, “We do not understand.”
He is not alone.
* the care offered wasn't up to the refugees' standards
So, the new procedure is: free transport to Germany for anyone crossing the border, if there are hundreds?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:41
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What's your step two?
I believe we where doing step two, that should have taken several decades if following basic common sense and social science.

3. Iraq becomes Western liberal democracy.
Who says it has to become a Western liberal democracy?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:50
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The manipulation of "News" is something that really annoys me and made me a little more grateful for Social Media where the average Joe Blow can have his say.

I used to be a regular contributor to the "Letters To The Editor" column of our local paper. However for the last couple of years my letters have been rejected as they have probably been deemed non - pc by some wet sub editor.

Here in NZ we are currently undergoing a referendum to change our flag. The main stream media are positively wetting themselves pushing their favoured option. Reassuringly polls on social media are overwhelmingly in favour of keeping our existing flag but the MSM want none of this.

One of the arguments advanced for a change of flag is to remove the Union Jack, as this represents colonial oppression. How ironic that half of Africa can't wait and go and live in the homes of their "oppressors".

And how come MSM never ask the questions I want answers to?

I would like to know how the father of the drowned boy got back to Kobane in double quick time in order to bury him, when his mission to leave in the first place was supposedly arduous and harrowing.

And I would like to know why, if it was such a dangerous place, did he risk going back?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 12:28
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I would like to know how the father of the drowned boy got back to Kobane in double quick time in order to bury him, when his mission to leave in the first place was supposedly arduous and harrowing.

And I would like to know why, if it was such a dangerous place, did he risk going back?
That question occurred to me also.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 12:53
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I would like to know how the father of the drowned boy got back to Kobane in double quick time in order to bury him, when his mission to leave in the first place was supposedly arduous and harrowing
A sad footnote to that, the family had been in Turkey for three years awaiting approval to go to Canada. Canada turned them down, (presumably because they had settled in Turkey, the first sanctuary they came to), so only then did they attempt the difficult and dangerous route to Greece.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 12:53
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Trouble is,a lot of people just don't realise how totally manipulated 'news' is.
I think the '84 miner's strike took the blinkers off for a lot of people.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 13:00
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I remember an Australian news report where the first couple of seconds showed the reporters telling the illegals in the boat to start pleading for help. Obviously this part was intended to be cut out but someone in the editing section decided to leave it in.

Journalists using the media to persue their own left wing agenda again.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 13:06
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Only one race of people I hate more than I hate Politicians and that's TV Journalist,I use the word Journalist in its loosest sense here,they belong under rocks.
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Not even the rock spiders would have them Tony.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 14:29
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Originally Posted by pisstin broke
I would like to know how the father of the drowned boy got back to Kobane in double quick time in order to bury him, when his mission to leave in the first place was supposedly arduous and harrowing.

And I would like to know why, if it was such a dangerous place, did he risk going back?
1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus by the Assad regime in Syria. While in detention, he was tortured and all of his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)

2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes.

5)Abdullah's brother, Mohammad, applied in June for refuge to Canada but was rejected (for the application being incomplete). After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada, but he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:01
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Now I don't know what to believe.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:17
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I must say it caused me to raise a somewhat cynical eyebrow, as well.
Where did you get that from, Checkboard?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:17
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Best policy believe absolutely nowt from TV News and nowt in the Newspapers,knowing nowt means you are infinitely better informed than most of the TV watching Newspaper reading public.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:25
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We were thinking of taking a Mediterranean cruise over winter and were planning to upgrade to a luxury suite.
My question is, if the captain was obliged to pick up some illegal immigrants, could I be forced to accommodate them?
I have just come off a Mediterranean cruise and the life boat drill included a comment that the ship carried more lift rafts than usual in case we came across unsafe boats with migrants on.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:33
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Anyone know if the Syrian/Iraqi Armed Forces are all volunteers ,or conscripts/national service, as it seems possible that a lot of the younger males could be ex-mil ,gone AWOL/deserted in the turmoil,and hope to reside elsewhere,or is that too cynical too..?
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