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Old 19th Aug 2015, 11:25
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Cannabis versus nicotine versus alcohol.

There is (and has been) much discussion about the danger of cannabis.

There are some that consider cannabis to be less harmful than smoking cigarettes, and also less harmful than alcohol.

Certainly, many hospital A&E departments (and paramedics) are subjected to abuse and assault from intoxicated 'punters':-
North East paramedics reveal toll of drink-related call-outs Express & Star

Is it time to ban alcohol?

Think of the knock-on effect that would have - closing pubs . . .
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Old 19th Aug 2015, 11:31
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Been tried, didn't go to well, neither in the US nor in Norway.
Correction, for some individuals it did, very well.
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Time to ban alcohol? Are you nuts? May the fleas of 1 quad-zillion fleas infest your armpits for even suggesting the unthinkable. Sheesh.
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Cancer risk 'even from light drinking' - BBC News
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More fear mongering. The old people who have a shot of whisky a day and live to be 100 are not uncommon. Cancer causation from alcohol has not been controlled for vis a vis all other environmental and genetic factors.

If you buy this crap, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, at a bargain price.
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Hmnn ... Guess it all depends on what you do with the cannabis

Suppositories help cure cancer without the psychotic effects.
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G-CPTN:

Every time one turns around something new is uncovered with a possible link to cancer. If you paid heed to any of this you wouldn't do, eat, or drink anything. Everything in moderation is key.

LW50:

What's wrong with the Brooklyn Bridge? It's a nice bridge.
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The old people who have a shot of whisky a day and live to be 100 are not uncommon.
Well let's hope I join them
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G-CPTN. A report from the BBC and ''researcher's say....''

BBC doesn't do science. BBC does arts and PPE graduates. ''researchers say'' means the BBC ace non-scientist PPE graduate has read and reproduced the the Grudian press release.
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All of life's little pleasures are either illegal, fattening, immoral or bad for your health. Just pick your poison and get on with it. I am tired of people trying to protect me from myself. (Big trouble if they try to take my bottle of red away. There will be consequences )
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Old 19th Aug 2015, 14:47
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OK,
Ban alcohol.

Benefits - Reduced opportunity for lager louts to do their things; Fewer people killed by drink drivers; alcohol addiction and effects reduced (?)... must be a couple more.

Downsides - Loss of tax revenue; An entire industry producing, distributing and selling would be at risk. Increased illegal activity to replace these; Average Joe, who is not a lager lout deprived of a simple pleasure.

Ban Cannabis (It is, most places)

Benefits - ... (can't think of any)

Downsides - People who need it for medical reasons find it difficult or not impossible to obtain in any form. Organised crime involved in producing, distributing and selling. Lots of money going to bad people. ...

Ban Nicotine products.

Benefits - Will be much more difficult for bad people to addict new users, particularly the young. A larger proportion of existing addicts will finally give it up. Some will continue to find their 'fix' and will continue to smoke, but out of my sight. They will still stink though. Community health will improve significantly, not just for the ex-smokers but for just about everyone.

Downside. Loss of tax revenue. Organised crime will become involved in producing, distributing and selling. Lots of money no longer going to big bad tobacco but going instead to other bad people. ...

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To me it's clear. Only one of these should no longer be allowed.
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Originally Posted by Limeygal View Post
All of life's little pleasures are either illegal, fattening, immoral or bad for your health. Just pick your poison and get on with it. I am tired of people trying to protect me from myself. (Big trouble if they try to take my bottle of red away. There will be consequences )
Damn well stated, limeygal, damn well stated.

Don't you just love the resident huggy fluffs who think they have the right to decide what is good, or isn't good, for us?

To them I say: stuff it.
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About ten years I ago, I was running the local contacts between the company I was working with and the local branch of the company producing a black carbonated soft drink with a red label.
As we sere gathering our papers at the end of the meeting we were offered one more bottle of their product and told in all seriousness that the drink was clearly addictive.

So you can add that soft drink to the list of "bad" products as well.
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Yeah, and too much water can be lethal as well. Should we perhaps discuss banning that as well?
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Yeah, and too much water can be lethal as well
But not if it's mixed with whisky
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RG1....."Don't you just love the resident huggy fluffs who think they have the right to decide what is good, or isn't good, for us?

To them I say: stuff it"

Agree with you, over the past year, I'm eating butter, no added chemicals as to margarine nor the ones that claim 'the product' reduces cholesterol.

1980s research (UK) "eggs were bad for you" It has now been published (2014) eggs are one the best food items one can eat.

Having said, I'm off for a large whisky, single malt.
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Good on you! And have one of those single malts on me. (Not that I drink the stuff mind you. I'm a beer kinda guy myself!!)
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@Prophead: "What we should be doing is looking into legalising cannabis and putting a huge tax on it."

Haven't one or two US states recently tried this? The anticipated sales boom never happened, instead people are growing their own and avoiding the taxes...
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Sorry to be frivolous - but I'm led to believe that as long as it's 99% fat-free, it's OK.
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I think the cigarette problem is more or less solving itself with the E-cigarette. 95% less harmful apparently.
And yet the busybodies are trying to ban them in public places, on the supposed basis that it "normalises" smoking. I think they are just annoyed to see people obviously enjoying what is a pretty safe product. I don't smoke myself so I'm unlikely to try one of these things, but can see little harm in them.

I went to university in my 40s and felt obliged to smoke a bit of cannabis to see what I had missed by joining the RAF in the 60s instead of becoming a student then. Personally I found it had little affect, and I just found the whole thing, the passing around of "spliffs" (imagine passing round a gin and tonic!) and the vocabulary, ("skinning up", "roaches") etc all just very silly, so I soon reverted to beer and the occasional g & t!
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