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Old 31st Jul 2015, 13:40
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The question is, is it legitimate gun owners who are killing the 11,000-odd. No amount of gun control is going to make the slightest difference to the illegals, but will certainly mean that legitimate citizens are less able to defend themselves.

Want to take a guess at how many of those Baltimore homicides were by legitimate gun owners?

..and guess you must. No data is available (to my knowledge) of the proportions, in any of the countries we have been discussion. If you find same, do please let me know.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:11
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In all seriosness, I'd give a buy for those people.feeding themseves,
In all seriousness: your approval is not necessary for other people to live their lives. Please do some research on the words "liberty" and 'freedom' and for that matter classic liberalism.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:25
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galaxy flyer wrote:

I am judged sane over the last 62 years, 30 in the US military
The second part of the above sentence seems to contradict the first part, no?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:26
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Speak for yourself
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:34
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The following chart says all that needs to be said.

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:46
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
One could easily ask that in reverse. I am judged same over the last 62 years
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Here's hoping that continues but can you guarantee 100% that's going to stand true for the rest of your days?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:53
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Originally Posted by Fox3WheresMyBanana View Post
No amount of gun control is going to make the slightest difference to the illegals, but will certainly mean that legitimate citizens are less able to defend themselves.
Could be spun to say that they will have less need to defend themselves. I accept your premise that no amount of gun control will affect illegal weapon ownership however if you take the 'legal gun owner going postal' option away then so long as the good guys stay away from the bad guys they stay safe
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 14:57
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Addressing the "going postal" mental health problem at source would be a more logical and humane approach, as would dealing with the illegals.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 15:18
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Originally Posted by Fox3WheresMyBanana View Post
Addressing the "going postal" mental health problem at source would be a more logical and humane approach, as would dealing with the illegals.
Most reports would suggest that no one saw it coming when those who wake up one day a bit sad and decide to slot their family or friends or go to work and create a few new employment vacancies. Would make that quite to hard address at source?

Try as I have in the past in here and suggest that anyone with any kind of mental health issue, including depression be excluded from any sort of gun ownership and watch the 2nd come out to play!

Should Mrs Lanza have been allowed to not only own weapons and store them at home but train her son in there use?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 15:27
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Rgbrock

Could you care to explain exactly what the chart you have posted tells us?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 15:36
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Originally Posted by AnQrKa View Post
Rgbrock

Could you care to explain exactly what the chart you have posted tells us?
Ummmm, should be self-evident no?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 16:03
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Anti-gun efforts have been made by large heavily funded organisations in the US for many years, a large number (but not anywhere near a majority) would like to see some form of gun control. Most gun owners would very much like to see a reduction in gun crime and gun deaths because they lead to stupid discussions such as this. Gun control, or at least a reduction in the number of deaths caused by guns, is an important consideration for both politicians and law enforcement.

All of the efforts made in the past that have been made by groups in the US with power, money and legislative ability have failed for various practical reasons. Yet our collection of UK muppets insist that they, from their seats of power next to a computer and at the cost of pressing a few buttons have the only true solutions to reducing the number of gun deaths in the US.

We have to put up with circular arguments of distorted statistics aimed at a market that is 3,000 miles away when thousands of potentially illegal immigrants are pushing to get into the UK from 22 miles from its coast. These people quite happily fiddle while Rome burns.


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Old 31st Jul 2015, 16:12
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Originally Posted by BOING View Post
Anti-gun efforts have been made by large heavily funded organisations in the US for many years, a large number (but not anywhere near a majority) would like to see some form of gun control. Most gun owners would very much like to see a reduction in gun crime and gun deaths because they lead to stupid discussions such as this. Gun control, or at least a reduction in the number of deaths caused by guns, is an important consideration for both politicians and law enforcement.

All of the efforts made in the past that have been made by groups in the US with power, money and legislative ability have failed for various practical reasons. Yet our collection of UK muppets insist that they, from their seats of power next to a computer and at the cost of pressing a few buttons have the only true solutions to reducing the number of gun deaths in the US.

We have to put up with circular arguments of distorted statistics aimed at a market that is 3,000 miles away when thousands of potentially illegal immigrants are pushing to get into the UK from 22 miles from its coast. These people quite happily fiddle while Rome burns.


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Time for a bit more of this, mainly cos he makes good points, especially around the 8:30 point



get it back on track in here
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 16:54
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SFFP,

No more than neither you, nor I, can guarantee we won't run someone over with our car tomorrow, stab someone with a kitchen knife or rob a bank. Life's funny like that, we can't know the future. Next question?

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 16:58
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If you get your facts from comedians I see your problem. Personally I would rather believe the CDC statistics rather than those of a man who is paid money to say dumb things for the sake of a laugh.

Get real.

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 17:52
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Originally Posted by BOING View Post
If you get your facts from comedians I see your problem. Personally I would rather believe the CDC statistics rather than those of a man who is paid money to say dumb things for the sake of a laugh.

Get real.

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Ah, you will be one of the 10% he mentions amongst his list of other good points 😃😃😃
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 19:03
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Tell you what SFP, it looks as though you are passing by my neck of the woods on your next trip. Drop by and I will show you the sights. Of course, a trip to the range for both of us is included. I'll introduce you to some real American shooters instead of your imaginary ones. We can troll a few gunshops and you can try to buy a gun to see how well that works. Then we can make a short trip to the Mexican gangland and watch a few drug deals go down.

Wow, I have a bunch of ideas, this is going to be fun.

By the way, I don't do lists.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 19:23
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Do you think teachers or cinema employees want to go to work and do the job as advertised or go to work and become 'Dirty Harry'?
Why is it the huggy fluffies want to try and nail down exactly what every person wants and doesn't? Your style is very much liking another anti gun nut who thinks in absolute terms. The obvious answer, some would like to carry, some wouldn't.

As to the question of what teacher could effectively use the weapon. The one well trained in its use would be my belief.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 19:58
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 22:34
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Why is it the huggy fluffies want to try and nail down exactly what every person wants and doesn't? Your style is very much liking another anti gun nut who thinks in absolute terms. The obvious answer, some would like to carry, some wouldn't.

As to the question of what teacher could effectively use the weapon. The one well trained in its use would be my belief.
Now we start to agree but is there anything in your 2nd that legislates for this?

As regards the ones not well trained...................
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