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Old 21st Jun 2015, 09:13
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They are a branch of humanity that have adapted to fit a new environment and changed circumstances is all,they are hunting and gathering by different means, blame Darwin and those that govern,they have taken away the game from their hunting territory and the berries and nuts from the undergrowth and replaced it with feckall.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 09:18
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 09:30
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I was discussing the *asylum seeker/refugee/economic migrant situation with a friend in France yesterday. She expressed the opinion that the prime reason that they are heading for Britain is the lack of identity cards. This system makes it simple for claimants for every benefit to be accurately tracked.

The lack of it means that they just turn up and are all treated as worthy cases,which many may well be,but others are not.

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Old 21st Jun 2015, 09:45
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Today you have to know the right people. If you don't then it's the old rock and roll or a dead end minimum wage job.
That statement is so very true. BTW, claiming benefits is not straightforward as many here seem to think. If I talk (write) any more my anger will become apparent.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 10:09
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Looking forward to the day when Krystal & Chips can join us in the adult world and engage in discussion and debate without descending in to endless tracts of condescension and patronisation, liberally interspersed with plain nasty snide remarks. May have to wait some time.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 10:36
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Looking forward to the day when Krystal & Chips can join us in the adult world and engage in discussion and debate without descending in to endless tracts of condescension and patronisation, liberally interspersed with plain nasty snide remarks. May have to wait some time.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 10:52
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Please dont keep us all in suspense!
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 11:09
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I've only once been unfortunate enough to have to claim benefits. It was after I was made redundant by my previous employer during the great 2008 economic crash. I was unemployed for 10 months and it was the most depressing, miserable time of my life. I honestly don't know how people can choose dole dependency as a career. It's the worst sort of existence and I never want to go back there. Dark, dark days those were.

Anyway, as already mentioned, Universal Credit is the new system being introduced by the government where everything comes under one payment. Job seekers, housing benefit, disability, child tax credits etc all consolidated into a single application and a single payment per household up to an absolute maximum payment of 23K PA. In theory it should make it much harder to fiddle the system but I'm sure the career scroungers will find ways around it, guaranteed.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 11:59
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G-ALAN, I can empathise with you on this one, nasty days indeed. My 'job for life' vanished in 2005.

I honestly don't know how people can choose dole dependency as a career. It's the worst sort of existence and I never want to go back there. Dark, dark days those were.
I understand what you are saying however I think very few choose 'dole dependency' as a career.

I've met and know many claimants (as a Job Seeker) and I can't think of any who are happy with their situation. The claim for Job Seekers Allowance is a contract and I can tell you that if the conditions are not met one is sanctioned, or at least threatened with a sanction, in no uncertain terms.

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Old 21st Jun 2015, 16:25
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Yes, I too think that "choose" is the wrong word. The majority them really don't have a lot of options. I came from a poor but decent background and I succeeded in business as much by luck as skill.

I also had to resort to bribery as I mentioned earlier in this thread. I got in with a company who disposed of their vehicles on a "sealed tender" basis. I found that their transport manager liked a flutter on the dogs and was regularly financially embarrassed. He was happy to spill the beans for 20 a car (this was late 70's)

Without access to this privileged information I would have been forced to pay far more than I did and would probably not made a living. So once again it's not what you know,but who you know.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 18:13
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Fair enough, I suppose 'choose' may be the wrong term as I do understand that there are many who have little option. The thing is though, many of the folk that the OP describes are not only unemployed but are completely unemployable. They are poorly educated, have little to no life skills and have absolutely no concept of personal or social responsibility. Would you employ them? I certainly wouldn't. Exactly what is the answer to this? Damned if I know. Perhaps some sort of public service work under supervision in return for their benefits?

One of the major dilemmas that many find themselves in is the so-called benefit trap. It's a catch 22 where it pays more to remain on state handouts than working for a living. It's another situation that I believe the government promised to address 5 years ago in that they would make work pay to the extent that everyone would be better off in work than on benefits. Perhaps they'll do it this term but I won't hold my breath

Effluent Man - I completely agree with you in that it's often all about who you know and not just what you know. I work in the scientific industry and I landed my current position just over 5 years ago during my spell of unemployment. The senior scientist who was sitting on the interview panel was a woman with whom I had a great working relationship during my previous employment. I had a very good rapport with her and I have no doubt that she swayed the panel's decision to recruit me in my favor.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 18:50
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"Unfortunately welfare has become an option rather than a last resort and the numbers on it are now so high that they have voting power. In a democracy you simply need to take from 49% of the population and give to 51% to get elected. The problem is what happens when the money runs out ?"

Well, that's what we are going to find out in South Africa.

Unfortunately we also have the very large added burden of a huge government sanctioned bureaucratic kleptocracy who steal many billions more than the bare subsistence grant for indigents costs.

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Old 21st Jun 2015, 19:04
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Ethics?

G-ALAN Quote :- "Effluent Man - I completely agree with you in that it's often all about who you know and not just what you know."

Or who you bribe, apparently.

Effluent Man Quote :-"I also had to resort to bribery as I mentioned earlier in this thread."
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 19:17
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Here's a state funded foodbank.


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Old 21st Jun 2015, 19:24
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Bearing in mind the true average salary for the normal working person (and by that I mean bus drivers, shop assistants, shop managers, office staff, sales staff, lorry drivers, waiters, waitresses, council workers - need I go on ?) earn far less than 23k per year. A check of the various websites suggests that the normal average person's wage is about 15K to 17k per year.


These people manage to live without resorting to crime, behaving in an anti-social manner, taking drugs and drinking to excess.


Many are trying to pay their mortgage, and improve their lot and do not bang on about being disadvantaged by the "Tories"
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 19:37
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Fertd, Bribery is standard business practice.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 19:49
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Bribery.

Effluent Man Quote :- "Fertd, Bribery is standard business practice."

I believe so, Sepp Blatter told me so.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 21:54
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Won't workers

As I have mentioned elsewhere/earlier, I have wasted much time interviewing those who openly stated that they would decline any job offer. On reflection, I am so glad they were not forced into employment, because they would surely have caused plenty of trouble so as to get themselves dismissed, and then probably claim for wrongful dismissal.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 23:17
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Is there a mechanism for reporting their statements to the Jobcentre?
Surely that is fraud and cause for cessation of the benefit..
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 23:25
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About 18 months ago, an Australian commercial TV network current affairs show did a segment on one block of one street in Sydney's western suburbs where every resident was on the dole. Short version: they all said they wanted to work and jobs were found for most who were interviewed.

The TV crew went back six months later and found that not one of the people who'd been interviewed had stayed in the jobs they were offered for more than three weeks. Getting out of bed every morning to be at work by 9.00 was apparently an insurmountable barrier for one of the interviewees.
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