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Old 7th May 2015, 19:47
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I did read the coronoer's report thoroughly, the toxins found could only be from aircraft as both had over 15 years flying and were both fit and well before. There is no where in a home environment or in usual public places that either victim could have been exposed to that amount of TCP.

So you are saying the coroner filed a section order to both the UK CAA and BA for personal reasons. Who is now starting to sound paranoid? The guy wouldn't put his job on the line if he didn't have the evidence to back up his decision. I'm ready for more quotes and tearing up of my reply but don't worry the mods obviously agree with you.
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Old 7th May 2015, 20:15
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There is no where in a home environment or in usual public places that either victim could have been exposed to that amount of TCP.
I thought it was repeated exposure rather than a certain amount? That is what you said above anyway.

There are other sources of TCP. Can you prove beyond doubt that repeated low exposure did NOT occur elsewhere?
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Old 7th May 2015, 20:30
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Both crew members had striking similarities in both brain/cardio damage with cell DNA adducts blocked by a significant amount. Unless both crew were sheep dip farmers prior to their airline careers, yes I am certain hand on heart that they died because of flying. Their respective coroner could also say the same.
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Old 7th May 2015, 21:05
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Can you prove beyond doubt.......
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Old 7th May 2015, 22:09
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As much as you can prove both deaths were not related to Aerotoxic causes.
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Old 7th May 2015, 22:49
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Well, you can't prove a negative.

The burden of proof is on you as I have made no such claim.

I'll take it as a no.
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Old 7th May 2015, 23:47
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Both crew members had striking similarities in both brain/cardio damage with cell DNA adducts blocked by a significant amount. Unless both crew were sheep dip farmers prior to their airline careers, yes I am certain hand on heart that they died because of flying. Their respective coroner could also say the same.
Was it because of one or two significant events, or cumulative as a result of 15 years of low level exposure.

If the latter, there should be a lot of dead pilots and flight crew with the same problem.
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Old 8th May 2015, 00:03
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If it was one or two specific events wouldn't there be dead F/AA's and passengers from the same event?

And if it's from low level long term exposure wouldn't frequent flyers be dying also?
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Old 8th May 2015, 04:08
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There have been numerous unexplained deaths of crew members at a large UK airline. Google 'Angel Fleet' on Facebook to see a full listing and the relatively young ages. As for frequent flyers there probably have been an equal amount affected but most probably have had their causes of death attributed to natural causes due to a lack of awareness of the existence of Aerotoxic Syndrome.

The reason deceased crew members First Officer Richard Westgate and Cabin Crew Matt Bass differ from the above is their families suspected Aerotoxic poisoning as the cause and were lucky enough to get a thorough post mortem done to identify the necessary bio markers.

Some of the more vocal posters on here may think the families above are just out to get compensation, the truth is they just want protection for future pilots and cabin crew. They want measures in place to ensure that the cabin air is less toxic than it is today, to maintain health so people's careers and lives are not ruined or ended at such young ages.
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Old 8th May 2015, 15:00
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"There have been numerous unexplained deaths of crew members at a large UK airline."


How many is "numerous"?
What is "unexplained"?
How many crewmembers are at the "large UK airline"?
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Old 8th May 2015, 15:44
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I did read the coronoer's report thoroughly, the toxins found could only be from aircraft as both had over 15 years flying and were both fit and well before.
Utterly false. TCPs are present in LOTS of places. In another post an aerotoxic zealot (not a "denier") stated that the environment OUTside the airplane had 14000 times higher TCP levels than INside.

There is no where in a home environment or in usual public places that either victim could have been exposed to that amount of TCP.
Utterly false. TCPs are found in lots of places, both urban and rural, especially rural.

So you are saying the coroner filed a section order to both the UK CAA and BA for personal reasons.
I neither said that nor remotely suggested it. I said other people with extensive medical backgrounds called into question the coroners impartiality, methods and conclusions. I have no idea what his motivations were and unlike the zealots I will not speculate nor make sweeping assumptions and accusations.

Who is now starting to sound paranoid?
That's quite obvious. It's the guy jumping to conclusions and making sweeping assumptions and accusations. For the record, I've made none.

The guy wouldn't put his job on the line if he didn't have the evidence to back up his decision.
Maybe. Maybe not. Supposed professionals make all sorts of irrational decisions and/or jump to irrational conclusions quite frequently. Witness this thread.

I'm ready for more quotes and tearing up of my reply but don't worry.....
Don't worry? Why would I worry? Your anxiety is not shared by me. Incidentally, what you just did is called "projection".

....the mods obviously agree with you.
Are you aware of the paranoia/persecution complex displayed in this statement?
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Old 8th May 2015, 16:25
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There's bin a lot of that there Projection in this thread.

Now it is in JB there will be some more.
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Old 8th May 2015, 19:49
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Thank you for the free psychotherapy session Ken V.

If highlighting this issue to get the necessary changes made makes me 'a projecting zealot', I would rather be that than an ostrich with a closed mind any day. It is clear no matter what I write on here you will not accept Aerotoxic Syndrome exists. At the same time nothing you can post will change my opinion either. Therefore the best we can do is is agree to disagree. There are about equal numbers in this thread on both sides and only time will tell how the issue of contaminated aircraft cabin air gets addressed.
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Old 8th May 2015, 19:52
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There are about equal numbers in this thread on both sides and only time will tell how the issue of contaminated aircraft cabin air gets addressed.
Huh, I think if you will count, not really and if you ask me, that is why this ended up in JB where it belongs.
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Old 10th May 2015, 17:40
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An interesting read here on the subject:

Fume events: the current position - Lexology
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Old 11th May 2015, 15:04
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Thank you for the free psychotherapy session Ken V.
You're welcome. Glad to be of service.

If highlighting this issue to get the necessary changes made makes me 'a projecting zealot',
Nope, not at all. However when one projects one's anxieties on another, that is projection. And when one behaves like an irrational zealot, that makes one a zealot. I'll let you (and the readers of this thread) decide if your behavior is consist with a "projecting zealot".

And BTW, I'm TOTALLY in favor of "highlighting this issue to get the necessary changes made". Indeed, that is the very reason I've participated in this thread. But according to the zealots, my paticipation on this thread makes me a denier.
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Old 16th May 2015, 01:16
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What is Aerotoxic Syndrome? - Aerotoxic Association
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:10
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Aerotoxic in the news

Latest here on UK news last night:

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-05-18/p...ane-cabin-air/
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Old 19th May 2015, 21:39
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P B. You must know there is no such problem in our industry, just like there is no fatigue problem nor abuse of FTLs by company rostering departments!

We did have a thread on the topic, but it appears to have evaporated, just like the engine oil............... Ooops, did I just say that??!
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Old 20th May 2015, 14:56
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From the linked article:

ITV News has spoken to a cabin crew member who says he was diagnosed with carbon monoxide poisoning after a flight he was on three years ago.
Now it's "carbon monoxide poisoning"? Really?! From compressor bleed air? Really??!!!! The desperation is getting palpable, not to mention ridiculous.
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