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Old 8th Dec 2019, 08:42
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Turbine, you seem completely clueless when it comes to politics. The average American, especially the ones trying to make up their minds (excludes you and me, I guess!) is far more concerned with everyday matters, like stupid toilet rules and government control of light bulbs, than he is about Ukraine, or where Donny wants to hold his next G7 gabfest.

Trump knows what to talk about. The crapper is a winner!

Oh, and while you were moaning about his word choice, 8 more Trumpian federal judges were confirmed this week.
Those Trumpian federal judges dont seem to be helping him as he has lost most cases so far. Even a couple of judges appointed by Republicans have ruled against him.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 13:45
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You missed your social cue, you may be on the spectrum. Youíre worth saving however, can you cite one thing you give Trump credit for without having to qualify it?
Tariff & Trade Wars...
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 14:31
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Turbine, you seem completely clueless when it comes to politics. The average American, especially the ones trying to make up their minds (excludes you and me, I guess!) is far more concerned with everyday matters, like stupid toilet rules and government control of light bulbs, than he is about Ukraine, or where Donny wants to hold his next G7 gabfest.

Trump knows what to talk about. The crapper is a winner!

Oh, and while you were moaning about his word choice, 8 more Trumpian federal judges were confirmed this week.
ob,
Trump's toilet rant is a red herring.

Trump needs to talk with Herb Kohler (Kohler Co., manufacturer of plumbing products) to find out how low flow toilets do work as well as Trump's gold plated thrones of yesteryears. Also, Herb can give Trump some insight into how to actually make money on buying and operating golf courses, golf resorts and golf related real estate and hotels, something the stable genius has yet to figure out. Kohler purchased the famous Hamilton Hall a collection of luxury apartments located along the edge of the Old Course at St. Andrews in Scotland as well as owning the famous Old Course Hotel. Herb is now happily retired as Kohler Company's CEO, something Trump should do, retire from playing the political game that he knows as much about as low flow toilets.

Most Americans could care less about appointed federal judges, can you name the eight Trump appointed federal judges that were confirmed this week?
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 14:49
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Turbine, you seem completely clueless when it comes to politics. The average American, especially the ones trying to make up their minds (excludes you and me, I guess!) is far more concerned with everyday matters, like stupid toilet rules and government control of light bulbs, than he is about Ukraine, or where Donny wants to hold his next G7 gabfest.
What the hell is wrong with low volume flush toilets? They've been required for years, work fine. and save a lot of water - a resource that is becoming more and more scarce and valuable. As for light bulbs, when I realized 100 watt bulbs were no longer going to be sold I stocked up but found I really like the LED bulbs. There are a range of colors available, including a natural light bulb, they use way less electricity, and last way, way longer; what's the beef? They don't make me look orange..... There are also rules about appliance efficiency and new building insulation which have markedly reduced energy demand negating the construction of some power plants. Coal powered plants that have supplied Washington State are being shut down and replaced with wind turbines, reducing coal emissions and their consequences

I'm old enough to realize how much progress has been made in smog reduction by tighter auto emission standards and how Lake Washington was saved from turning into a large cesspool by waste water treatment rules. Are some of the rules over the top? Yes, but in general they exist for good reasons and have been beneficial to all of us. Do I want my neighbor to be able to dump his waste into a stream that flows through my property? No, and that's why we have rules about this stuff.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 15:17
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Nice deflection to sewage regulation, Winemaker. But irrelevant.

I'm glad you are able to choose the light bulbs you prefer. Why do you not allow me the same choice?

Toilets? I've had many a bog log that took 5-6 flushes to send along to Lake Washington. Partial colectomy cured that, but still...
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Nice deflection to sewage regulation, Winemaker. But irrelevant.

I'm glad you are able to choose the light bulbs you prefer. Why do you not allow me the same choice?

Toilets? I've had many a bog log that took 5-6 flushes to send along to Lake Washington. Partial colectomy cured that, but still...
Wow, I've never had that experience. Not deflection to sewage, continuation.

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Old 8th Dec 2019, 16:30
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Original quote by obgraham
I'm glad you are able to choose the light bulbs you prefer. Why do you not allow me the same choice?
They just don't make them anymore ob:

Edison Carbon Bulb
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Winemaker View Post
What the hell is wrong with low volume flush toilets? They've been required for years, work fine. and save a lot of water - a resource that is becoming more and more scarce and valuable. As for light bulbs, when I realized 100 watt bulbs were no longer going to be sold I stocked up but found I really like the LED bulbs. There are a range of colors available, including a natural light bulb, they use way less electricity, and last way, way longer; what's the beef? They don't make me look orange..... There are also rules about appliance efficiency and new building insulation which have markedly reduced energy demand negating the construction of some power plants. Coal powered plants that have supplied Washington State are being shut down and replaced with wind turbines, reducing coal emissions and their consequences

I'm old enough to realize how much progress has been made in smog reduction by tighter auto emission standards and how Lake Washington was saved from turning into a large cesspool by waste water treatment rules. Are some of the rules over the top? Yes, but in general they exist for good reasons and have been beneficial to all of us. Do I want my neighbor to be able to dump his waste into a stream that flows through my property? No, and that's why we have rules about this stuff.
Growing up in SoCal I also have seen tremendous reductions in smog, itís kind of a thing here to monitor it. I can all but guarantee you reductions in auto emissions alone hasnít brought about the positive change.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 18:49
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Growing up in SoCal I also have seen tremendous reductions in smog, itís kind of a thing here to monitor it. I can all but guarantee you reductions in auto emissions alone hasnít brought about the positive change.
What are the major factors that you have seen attributed to smog reduction in SoCal?
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
What are the major factors that you have seen attributed to smog reduction in SoCal?
Are you that lazy or are you unable to do your own research? We both know no matter what I say, youíll take an opposing position because thatís just what you do. Not going to deliver you your talking points.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 21:46
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the ones trying to make up their minds
As the old parody of Seinfeld's standup routine goes, "Who ARE these people?!"
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 12:47
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Wonder if there will be a trump tweet about Russia being banned from global sports for four years, including the next Olys.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 13:36
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Are you that lazy or are you unable to do your own research? We both know no matter what I say, youíll take an opposing position because thatís just what you do. Not going to deliver you your talking points.
West Coast, LOL!
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
What are the major factors that you have seen attributed to smog reduction in SoCal?
I'm thinking it has something to do with chemtrails....
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 15:18
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Originally Posted by Winemaker View Post
I'm thinking it has something to do with chemtrails....
Those were banned.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 19:28
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US politics: went from being occasionally entertaining to reality TV show to horror show to whore show.
At this point, it's nothing but attention whores, top to bottom.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
US politics: went from being occasionally entertaining to reality TV show to horror show to whore show.
At this point, it's nothing but attention whores, top to bottom.
We need to go back to "heads on pikes". True deterrent.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 21:19
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Honest question: How did they get the air around Los Angeles cleaned up? I heard back in the 60's and 70's it was pretty bad. Millions more living there now so someone seemed to have done something correctly.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Honest question: How did they get the air around Los Angeles cleaned up? I heard back in the 60's and 70's it was pretty bad. Millions more living there now so someone seemed to have done something correctly.
Heh, depends on what you mean by "cleaned up."
Something that helped a bit was unleaded gas and catalytic converters. A variety of other emissions and clean air initiatives would likely be worthy of a small research project covering the ideation and implementation of various local efforts from about 1965 through last week.
(I lived in SoCal in the early 90s and late 80's, but thankfully in San Diego not LA)

On a given day, between dust and wind currents, and being surrounded on three sides by mountains, the brown haze layer goes up thousands of feet. You run into it as you drive north, but what really struck me was flying from San Diego to LA on a clear day ... as you headed north, you could often, as you varied altitude, pretty much find the top layer of the brown/green crud layer over the larger LA area. I recall that is was usually somewhere between 4 and 5000 MSL, but we were usually flying over water ... however, I didn't do it every day so I suspect that it varies with meteoroligical conditions. (I think Westy has spent some time in ATC, and he may have some deep experience on that kind of variation from pireps, etc)

There's also been a "clean diesel" initiative that goes back a few decades, it didn't finally hit home here in Texas unitl about 10 years ago: I think California was a leader in that initiative. (Have a friend who's a PhD chemical engineer, teaches at Berkeley, and he's been working a metric ton of air quality research over the past few decades. I'll see if he's got anything next time I chat with him over the phone).
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 22:51
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Honest question: How did they get the air around Los Angeles cleaned up? I heard back in the 60's and 70's it was pretty bad. Millions more living there now so someone seemed to have done something correctly.

Thereís no simple answer but it starts with the Calif air resources board (CARB) and the Air Quality Management District (AQMD).

CARB focuses on pollution from things that move, cars, buses, etc. AQMD focuses on pollution from fixed sources such as power plants, manufacturing, etc.

With well over 10 million living in Los Angeles county and parts of the inland empire and the area largely being boxed in by tall mountains compounded by an onshore flow, the task is huge.
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