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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:54
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And no one cares about has been Hillary.
She's the gift that keeps on giving! Doing more for the re-election of Trump than Trump himself.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 02:28
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
ob,

In the instance of Trump's fragile side you should be able to see the pattern below in his current behavior.

In case you maybe wondering, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:
  • Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
  • Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
  • React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
  • Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
  • Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
  • Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
  • Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation (hidden from external view)
I'm fairly sure the major qualification for diagnosing Trump as an unstable narcissist with sociopath tendencies is in fact to have a pulse. An even better question though, is what major malfunction afflicts those who continuously deny or defend his corruption? It's either a terminal case of "I've got mine - fu(k you" or "I can count to potato..." (sorry Dan).
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 04:13
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Re-election?
I predict that option will not be picked up. This "Prez -The Reality Show" ratings are tanking. Trending down.
His playacting as the Prez is going T/X and there is a good chance Rudy is going to prison.

They are digesting William Taylor's testimony today. Remarkable 50 year career. Regular promotions, no career enders. Came out of retirement to serve the country some more.
Stand up fella.

I've been looking for Vets in trump's family.
I'll let folks know when I find one.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 06:37
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
...An even better question though, is what major malfunction afflicts those who continuously deny or defend his corruption? It's either a terminal case of "I've got mine - fu(k you" or "I can count to potato..." (sorry Dan).
I won't rule out your suggestions, but there are others. Not all of them "malfunctions" - although some may relate to "I've got mine - etc." indirectly.

But two prime drivers that are linked.

1) In 2016, as the GOP primary field narrowed down to Trump and Cruz, Pres. George W. Bush wondered out loud if he might well be "the last Republican President?" And there was a reason for that - demographic trends are not on the side of Conservatism and the Republicans. Take a look at population trends by county, and there is a big swath of negative-growth occuring right through Trump/GOP country, especially rural counties. And of course House seats, and the Electoral College votes that go with them, are apportioned by population. (Not Senate seats or EC votes, however.)

2010 census - we'll see what 2020 shows soon: https://www.texastribune.org/2011/03...wth-by-county/

There are a host of reasons for that population loss - those counties are often the same counties that have not seen the same economic recovery as other counties and big cities after the Great Recession, agribusiness reducing the number of people needed for farming, low white birth rates, etc. etc. Amazon doesn't put its fulfillment centers there, nor does Google use them for data-farms. It is fair to say that the 21st-century digital economy is not very rural-friendly - except for wind-farms, perhaps. I drive a lot out through eastern Colorado and KS - and the number of towns approaching "ghost-town" status is very troubling.

At any rate, the U.S. is tipping Democratic just based on where more and more voters are living. Even if conservatives and Republicans moved to the powerful populated states or big cities, their votes get diluted (just ask West Coast what it's like voting GOP or Libertarian in California!). There's a reason a popular Fox News show is titled Outnumbered.

2) The one bulwark against that is the federal courts, which, if conservative enough, will allow certain "near-purple" states to continue suppressing voting, and gerrymander districts. And also, of course, apply conservative interpretations of the laws and Constitution to block non-conservative approaches to any issue.

Trump's win, and a GOP Senate, provided a "last gasp" to put in place a wall of conservative judges at all levels of the Federal Courts before demographics make it unlikely. Trump and Mitch McConnell have been working overtime to push through conservative court nominees (and not just to the highest court). 156 so far, with 110 still to go. Of course there are about 1500 judgeships in total, but Trump (so long as he's kept in office) and McConnell have a chance to bias the bench by 10-20% (depending on which judges are replaced). If the nominees are young enough, that could have an affect for 40 years.

For that reason, conservatives in some "lanes" have been willing to throw away most of the principles they've stood behind for 50 years or more:
- the religious right throwing away any claim to be a "Moral" majority in exchange for the courts' removal (possibly) of abortion freedoms and LGBTQ freedoms;
- business and financial conservatives/libertarians throwing away their ideals of free trade, low deficits, and business decisions unhampered by presidential fiat and commands, in exchange for courts that will block regulation and labor rights (and a tax cut, of course - bought and paid for).

They won't give up on Trump until - well, the Last Trump: the last conservative justice they can squeeze into the system. In the long run, their only hope is the judiciary - but it's not that long a run, in the larger scheme of things.

I believe they are short-sighted, though. Enough people will remember what principles have been thrown to the wolves, and why. A former GOP conservative strategist, Rick Wilson, wrote a book last year entitled Everything Trump Touches Dies. And if one watches the ignominious downfall of Rudy Giuliani ("America's Mayor," hero of 9/11) or Mick Mulvaney, an up-and-coming conservative who probably could (once) have been Gov. of SC eventually, one can see how that works. Trump corrupts and ruins those around him.

The damage done to conservatism in the name of Trumpism may actually hasten a turn to the left. Which - BTW - is not banned by the Constitution, and thus cannot be halted by judges alone.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 13:49
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Well, Turbine, you are pontificating on and on about labeling Trump as some sort of mental case, so I assume you have credentials for such an opinion. So are you willing to make some pronouncement about Hillary also? (I at least have a license which allows me a legally valid opinion!)

Otherwise, if you are just prattling on, I see no difference between your view, and say, a Kardashian or a LeBron, or CNN.
The one thing your legally valid license doesn't contain is common sense. Either you have it or you don't. If you have it and don't use it, soon it evaporates... I also note you're 'prattling' on and on about Hillary...
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 15:36
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So Pattern, why do you see it as a bad thing for Conservatives to push their candidates into judicial appointments, but think it is a fine idea for Liberals to make sure their candidates are appointed when they hold the power?

Do you think the 9th Circuit is an example of a "balanced" court?

Do you favor adding more seats to the USSC, and if so should it be now, or wait till Dems hold the Presidency?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 15:56
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Just as there should be separation of church and state, there should be separation of the judiciary and politics.
Real justice has nothing to do with politics and the selection of judges should not involve political stances.. It can stand well on its own, given competent and honest judges.
Selections heavily based on party membership just muddies things up unnecessarily.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 16:13
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Well laid out description Pattern.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 19:53
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
So Pattern, why do you see it as a bad thing for Conservatives to push their candidates into judicial appointments, but think it is a fine idea for Liberals to make sure their candidates are appointed when they hold the power


You know, for a "textualist," you have a serious deficit in reading what people actually write. You "interpret" beyond the actual words more than William O. Douglas.

Nothing bad about any party in power using that power in naming judges. I think it may, in the long run, do more damage to the Conservative cause at this point in history - but conservatives, like all of us, are free to go to hell in any handbasket they choose.

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Do you think the 9th Circuit is an example of a "balanced" court?
Balanced how? You mean balanced like the congressional delegation for North Carolina, where the GOP got 50% of the vote, but 77% of the seats? Or California, where the Dems got 66% of the vote and 87% of the seats? Are you in favor of "proportional representation" on the courts? Is that specified anywhere in the Constitution?

Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Do you favor adding more seats to the USSC, and if so should it be now, or wait till Dems hold the Presidency?


I'm not necessarily in favor of more (or less) seats. If there is an increase in seats, I'm in favor of Mayor Pete's idea - nominees for the new seats must be approved unanimously by the existing Justices, as well as by a supermajority of the Senate. That should put the focus far more on Judicial temperament and quality, rather than political bent.

(BREAK/BREAK). A sturmabteilung of GOP house members just invaded the Capitol secure SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) where testimony was about to heard from Deputy Assistant SecDef Laura Cooper. Some brought cell-phones (apparently "secure" is word they have trouble understanding). None were members of the committee taking the testimony; all may face House sanctions, or ejection by the Sergeant-at-Arms ("hostage negotations" are ongoing).

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 20:20
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Like I've said before, the Philippines under Estrada, or any other banana republic of your choice.
Trump kissing and making up with Erdogan is hardly worth mentioning, just one of those turnarounds.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 01:59
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This just in from Pennsylvania: "and we will build a wall in Colorado" Somebody show this moron a map of the USA he is supposed to be the President of.

'Human scum". From The President of the USA to fellow party members who are not on their knees praising the chosen one.

This abomination drags the USA more down in the eyes of the world by the day,.

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 02:18
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:34
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Come on, the bigly stable genius put out the most beautiful statement:

(Kiddingly) We’re building a Wall in Colorado”(then stated, “we’re not building a Wall in Kansas but they get the benefit of the Wall we’re building on the Border”) refered to people in the very packed auditorium, from Colorado & Kansas, getting the benefit of the Border Wall!

Riiiiight....
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 07:12
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lori-...b0f34e3a7db1f9

Lori Loughlin And Husband Among Parents Facing New Bribery Charges

Actress Lori Loughlin is among the 11 parents indicted on new bribery charges Tuesday as part of this year’s massive college admissions scandal.

The parents charged in the superseding indictments are among the 15 who’ve pleaded their innocence in the high-profile case that’s been ongoing since March. All of the 11 defendants are accused of bribing employees of the University of Southern California in order to secure their children’s admission to the elite school.

“The charge of federal programs bribery provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and a fine of $250,000 or twice the gross gain or loss, whichever is greater,” the office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts said Tuesday.........

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 12:00
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I must say, serious sentencing over there.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 13:53
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I must say, serious sentencing over there.
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Nah ... just scare indictments, we reserve the penalty parts for the less fortunates among us
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 09:59
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Nah ... just scare indictments, we reserve the penalty parts for the less fortunates among us
I don’t think so, the govt wants its pound of flesh and doesn’t mind making someone a shining example either.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 05:14
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Don’t do it, Democrats plead, as Hillary Clinton considers ‘fantasy run’

She wouldn’t, would she? A television appearance by a long-time Hillary Clinton ally has raised the spectre of the 2016 presidential runner-up throwing her hat into a Democratic primary race that seems unable to make up its mind.

On Thursday night, Philippe Reines floated the idea of a Clinton revival while appearing on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. “If she thought she had the best odds of beating Donald Trump, I think she would think about it long and hard,” Reines said, emphasising that she had not “foreclosed the possibility” of a late jump into the race. “Look, you can make fun of her all you want but 65m people voted for her,” he said, adding that this number had been bettered only by Barack Obama.

A Clinton candidacy remains unlikely, but the mere fact that she is still floating test balloons — as she has intermittently since 2016 — indicates how much concern there is among more moderate voters, and particularly the party’s wealthy establishment, that it is being tugged to the left as the candidacy of former vice-president Joe Biden fades.........
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 05:50
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As I wrote 2-3 years ago:

"If I were Putin and wanted to seriously damage the USA for minimal risk and expense, I would have set up an long-term operation to try and get a hard/alt-right President elected as 45.

Very low-risk plan, check-out the possibles. Lets see, there's this cuckoo and there's that nut-job and finally someone says "Why not Trump?". After the laughter dies down, someone says, "Do you think he'll bite? Bit risky for him with all the shady deals he's into with some of our bad boys?" "True," says Putin, "but he's very ignorant and very vain - ideal, in fact, as we already have plenty of kompromat on him - let's plant some seeds and see what happens. If he doesn't bite I can think of a few others we could try. Lets face it, any Republican would be better that that Clinton bitch."

"And if we fail and she wins anyway?", "Then we've lost nothing, but if we can get some dumb far-right Republican yahoo in then we're off to the races - we won't have to do anything much and America will obligingly tear itself to bits. And WE can pick up the pieces. A President like that would be so divisive that American democracy will never recover - suka, blyad!".

So they got Trump in - and after a bit they began to realise that they'd struck the mother-lode, far far better than they had ever dreamed of or hoped for . . ."


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Old 27th Oct 2019, 06:16
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Nice scheme, Mac, but there isn't even a shred of evidence to support it.
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