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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 08:50
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post



His comment was received by the crowd in the way it was intended, as a light moment. There was laughter from those attending. Then it hit the press and then straight to the gullible sheep like yourself.
So he did say it then. Thanks
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 13:53
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So he did say it then. Thanks

Do you believe Trump actually intended to award himself a MoH?
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post



Do you believe Trump actually intended to award himself a MoH?
With Trump, who really knows.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
With Trump, who really knows.
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Folks at the ceremony got it, Guess you’re the outlier.

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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 14:58
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Now for the latest from the nutcase left...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-persons.html

Are our resident left leaner yanks onboard with the change? Chuks has gone quiet of late, with stuff like this it’s no wonder.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 16:35
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A non-issue. But if it was - where's the problem?
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 16:54
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Next thing you know, SF people who choose to crap in a real toilet will be ridiculed as expressing "privacy privilege".
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 18:00
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
A non-issue. But if it was - where's the problem?

A convicted child molester will now be known as justice involved person, non issue you say.

Started with the term undocumented immigrant, a janitor is an environmental engineer, got to love liberals and denial of the truth.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 19:07
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Losing His Marbles

Now the latest from the nutcase right
In recent days, Trump proudly quoted a radio host declaring that: Israeli Jews love him as if he were the "King of Israel" and "The second coming of God,"

Speaking with reporters on the South Lawn on Wednesday, he suggested that: "God had tapped him to lead a trade war with China"."I am the chosen one", Trump said, glancing heavenward.


At a rally last week, Trump ridiculed a man he thought was a protester for being fat, only to learn later that it was one of his supporters.


Some former Trump administration officials in recent days said they were increasingly worried about Trump's behavior, suggesting it stems from rising pressure on Trump as the economy becomes more worrisome and next year’s election approaches. Kellyanne Conway’s husband, a prominent conservative lawyer, thinks the White House staff needs to have Trump hospitalized before it’s too late.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Kellyanne Conway’s husband, a prominent conservative lawyer, thinks the White House staff needs to have Trump hospitalized before it’s too late.
And this opinion is of importance ... why? Trump has been bickering with a lot of GOP sorts and pissing them off since about 2015. He's pissed off a lot of that party's members. He's an equal opportunity pisser offer.

In other amusing political news, Bill Maher (Never a fan of the GOP nor conservatives in general) fired a shot across the bow of someone in the opposite party for being tone deaf.
"Some people have one move only: boycott. Cancel. Make-go-away," he tweeted. "But here’s the thing, the house voted 318 to 17 to condemn the #BDS movement, including 93% of Dems. Does Tlaib want to boycott 93% of her own party?" Tlaib spoke out against Maher following his Friday episode of "Real Time," in which he slammed Tlaib and Rep. Ilhan Omar for their vocal criticism of Israel over its treatment of Palestinians.
"Maybe folks should boycott his show," she wrote. "I am tired of folks discrediting a form of speech that is centered on equality and freedom. This is exactly how they tried to discredit & stop the boycott to stand up against the apartheid in S. Africa. It didn't work then and it won't now."
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Rep. Rashida Tlaib suggested boycotting "Real Time With Bill Maher" Saturday after he called the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement she supports a "bulls— purity test" during Friday's HBO show. "Maybe folks should boycott his show," she tweeted Saturday. "I am tired of folks discrediting a form of speech that is centered on equality and freedom. This is exactly how they tried to discredit & stop the boycott to stand up...
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 12:29
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I know the WSJ is a pro-business media outlet, but Trump had better start listening to what the business community is saying rather than what his fictional instincts tend to be. The WSJ editorials are becoming more aggressive as Trump keeps ignoring the current economic reality. The last paragraph says it all...

Wall Street Journal lead editorial:

Cut the Trump Uncertainty Tax

His best stimulus policy would be to end his tariff campaign.

The Editorial Board Aug. 21, 2019 6:52 pm ET
“I’m not looking at a tax cut now,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “We don’t need it. We have a strong economy.” He added that indexing capital gains might be seen as “somewhat elitist” and would benefit the wealthy, thus aligning himself ideologically (and bizarrely) with his many media opponents who still denounce his 2017 tax reform.

Mr. Trump is also confused about whether the economy is strong or weak, whether more economic stimulus is needed, and even whether his trade brawls with the rest of the world are weakening the economy. No wonder business investment is falling amid this climate of policy uncertainty. Mr. Trump’s payroll-tax cut wouldn’t pass Congress in any case, and indexing capital gains for inflation, while economically useful, would be challenged in court if he implemented it by executive order.

But if Mr. Trump does want to give the economy a policy boost to prevent a recession, there is something he can do without Congress or a legal challenge: He can cut his trade-uncertainty tax. This is the pall over business investment that is a major result of his trade policies.

Mr. Trump and his trade Rasputin, Peter Navarro, claim there’s been no harm from his tariffs. But his actions belie the claim. Last week he delayed a new round of tariffs on some imports from China lest they raise consumer prices before Christmas. He has ladled out $28 billion in subsidies to farmers to offset markets lost to retaliation by China, and other nations, after his various tariffs.

The evidence of harm is also clear from U.S. economic data. Manufacturing has slumped as global demand declines amid trade and currency shifts. U.S. net exports have also declined, and falling private investment shaved a percentage-point from GDP in the second quarter.

Nearly every CEO with global customers or suppliers mentions trade as a leading concern. “Anytime there’s trade tensions of this kind, it does put a certain amount of conservatism, I think, into all of our plans for capital spending,” said Caterpillar CEO James Umpleby in April. “So I would expect if, in fact, the trade tensions get resolved, that would be a positive for global economic growth and a positive for us.”

As Mr. Umpleby suggests, Mr. Trump has the power to assist the economy on his own by ending this trade uncertainty. He can help Germany avoid recession by publicly withdrawing his threat to impose 25% tariffs on European autos. He can help American manufacturers and farmers by ending his steel and aluminum tariffs. U.S. Steel this month said it will lay off up to 200 workers in Michigan amid falling demand due to slower growth.

Then there’s the uncertainty hanging over his trade deal with Mexico and Canada, which is stalled in Congress. Mr. Trump can’t force Speaker Nancy Pelosi to allow a ratification vote, but he can at least reassure business by publicly declaring that he won’t withdraw unilaterally from Nafta. Then make a political issue of her refusal to allow a vote.

All of this would better set up Mr. Trump and the U.S. for negotiating with China. Mr. Trump previously claimed there is no harm from his China brawl, but this week he has shifted to claiming that any economic pain is worth the price of finally taking on China.

He’s right to address bad Chinese practices, but he underestimated the economic harm from his multiple trade shocks. Supply chains built over a generation can’t be rebuilt in a year, and U.S. exporters can’t find new customers on short notice. Above all they can’t make proper decisions if they don’t know what trade policy will be in a year. So they hunker down and reduce or delay investment.

Mr. Trump doesn’t need to win his staredown with Xi Jinping in a single negotiation. He can make progress now, see if China honors its promises, and respond accordingly if he wins a second term. He’ll get no such chance if there’s a trade-driven recession, and Elizabeth Warren sits in the White House.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 00:02
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It just keeps getting worse:

Trump responded to China’s announced tariffs on $75 billion of American goods and cars, by demanding FedEx, UPS, Amazon and the Postal Service “immediately start looking for an alternative to China,” causing the Dow to drop 400 points, while the S&P 500 and NASDAQ slid over 1.5%.
Trump To Delivery Companies: 'Start Looking' For China Alternative

I thought the US was the “land of the freedom” and government didn’t dictate how the free market should do business? Between the tariffs, bailouts, subsidies, telling private companies what to do etc DJT could be one of the most anti-free market US Presidents ever

Trump's Tweets Indicate Socialist Yearning
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 04:09
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Next thing you know, SF people who choose to crap in a real toilet will be ridiculed as expressing "privacy privilege".

We'll see how your predictive abilities pan out. Funny how often real-world facts destroy internet opinions.

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Old 24th Aug 2019, 04:25
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post



A convicted child molester will now be known as justice involved person, non issue you say.

Started with the term undocumented immigrant, a janitor is an environmental engineer, got to love liberals and denial of the truth.
Don't you have that nifty-difty state-wide "Megan's Law?" https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/s...-offender-info

Trump Enablers should welcome such language. The media would then have to refer to all Trump's convicted/confessed campaign people as "justice-involved" instead of "felons."
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 06:18
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Don't you have that nifty-difty state-wide "Megan's Law?" https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/s...-offender-info

Trump Enablers should welcome such language. The media would then have to refer to all Trump's convicted/confessed campaign people as "justice-involved" instead of "felons."
The Danish PM went from "nasty" to "wonderful", so not only the lefties.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 15:56
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This morning's Wall Street Journal lead editorial:

Just Another Manic Friday
Trump and Xi see who can take the most trade pain. Everyone loses.
The trouble with trade wars, like shooting wars, is that once they start you never know how they’re going to end. The enemy gets a vote, and sometimes events escalate in ugly fashion. Take Friday, which saw China retaliate for Donald Trump ’s recent tariffs, Mr. Trump blows a gasket, markets tank, and Mr. Trump impose even more tariffs.

Friday began with China announcing tariffs of 5% and 10% on the remaining $75 billion of U.S. products that have escaped duties since the tariff war started. This includes luxury autos, chemicals and small jets that the Chinese can’t easily substitute with foreign alternatives. The tariffs are scheduled to take effect on Sept. 1 and Dec. 15 when the next two rounds of Mr. Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products are also scheduled to hit.

Stocks took that news in stride. They then rose modestly after Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said in his annual Jackson Hole remarks that the central bank would “act as appropriate to sustain the expansion.”

But then Mr. Trump began tweeting like a bull in a china shop. “My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?” he tweeted, as if Mr. Powell isn’t a patriot. “We don’t need China and, frankly, would be far better off without them. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME.”

Order? Somebody should tell Chairman Trump this isn’t the People’s Republic of America. U.S. businesses have been trying to shift production out of China to avoid tariffs, but supply chains that have been developed over decades can’t be uprooted overnight. And no other country has China’s huge relatively skilled workforce, infrastructure and network of suppliers.

Mr. Trump also teased later actions, and sure enough after markets closed he announced via tweet that tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese imports would rise to 30% from 25% on Oct.1. The 10% tariffs that were set to take effect next month will also go up by 5%. Take that, Xi Jinping.

Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade-war general, seems to think China has more to lose from a tariff escalation. “The risk here for China, when it does things like this, is simply to galvanize support even more for the President,” Mr. Navarro said Friday on Fox Business. “Seven-five billion dollars worth of tariffs in terms of what the combined $30 trillion economy is not something for the stock market to worry about and we’re cool here.”

Got that, markets? Just chill, baby. But that was before Mr. Trump promised to retaliate yet again, and markets are wondering if we’re heading toward mutual assured economic destruction. Mr. Trump this week also dismissed the risk of a recession, but his continued mauling of Mr. Powell suggests he’s less than confident about the U.S. economy. Perhaps Beijing has taken note and believes its leverage in trade negotiations is increasing.

The IHS Markit index of factory activity in August dropped in the U.S., Japan, Germany and eurozone—the first manufacturing contraction in the U.S. since September 2009. A compound index of economic activity in the U.S. that includes services also fell to its lowest point since February 2016. The risk of a recession grows as trade uncertainty increases. Consumers have been shrugging off the market whiplash and the President’s trade irruptions. But if job and wage growth slows amid falling business investment, consumers may pull back too.

U.S. motor vehicle jobs have declined by 16,000 this year amid a slowdown in domestic sales. Tesla, BMW and Daimler plants in the U.S. that export luxury cars to China will get whacked with tariffs come December. Farmers who have been bearing the tariff brunt will receive another dose of pain in September.

What was that again about trade wars being easy to win?
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 17:23
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Mr. Navarro said this will galvanize even more support for Trump? Calling the late Stephen Hawking to explain parallel universes to us.

This really is not funny anymore. Trump is now endangering the economic well being of millions around the world apart from just American workers and his bull-in-a-China-shop schtick is past its sell date. Asshatery at its finest.

The only thing I can hope for is that European firms will profit somehow by selling goods and services to China if the U.S. pulls out.

Btw, Chuks are you still with us? This corner of the forum has been quiet without your missives.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 17:50
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Uncle Fred,
This really is not funny anymore. Trump is now endangering the economic well being of millions around the world apart from just American workers and his bull-in-a-China-shop schtick is past its sell date. Asshatery at its finest.
Trump is all about winning. He will do anything to win. This includes tanking the US economy and/or World economies. He doesn't care, he is about self-glorification, he never loses, always wins in his warped mind. It's remarkable that the Trump administration has been able to ignore economic reality for as long as it has. Peter Navarro, Trump's Trade-War general, when he was a young economist said this about trade:
The maintenance of economic freedom at home—which includes the freedom to import what one wants if one finds the terms agreeable—is the only individualist, coherent, and realistic policy.
The young Peter Navarro seemed to understand that. Now today the old ex-economist turned politician and Trump bootlicker sadly has forgotten his sound economic principles in favor of lunacy economics...

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Old 24th Aug 2019, 18:26
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The Stephen Miller School for Racial Intolerance at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave seems to have missed a tiny detail in dealing with China. None of those 1.3 B smiling socialist faces really get to have a say in how the country is run, so under an economic recession they pretty much have to suck it up. Not quite the same for 300 million or so Americans who may decide there's a better way to run a railroad. That said, 38% of voters have decided that racist bigotry and child-like economic policies are fine by them...

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Old 24th Aug 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
None of those 1.3 B smiling socialist faces really get to have a say in how the country is run, so under an economic recession they pretty much have to suck it up. Not quite the same for 300 million or so Americans who may decide there's a better way to run a railroad. ...
Exactly right, Twose! So keep in mind that the American voters, utilizing the system they have had for 200 years (but when you lost, suddenly is a "complete travesty"), voted for Trump.

And a number of us are quite content with the reality-based approach to the nation's problems: Border control/immigration; stifling government regulatory procedures; one-way overseas commitments; and trade imbalances.

Much preferred over the paternalistic "I know what you need" approach of his predecessor.

May I suggest your alternatives:
1.Go all Chinese as you describe, and give up your say in how the country is run.
2.Suck it up and deal with it.
3.Convince the voters to choose your view next time around. Good luck with that, based on the crazy bunch being touted. But whatever the result next time, don't be all "wah wah it's a fraud" as you have been so far this term.

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