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Old 18th Jul 2019, 23:00
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Weat Coast, Ilhan Omar is a member of the US government, just as Trump is. He heads up the Executive Branch as president, while she is a mere first-term congresswoman, but they have both been elected to govern us. The president is not some sort of dictator; he needs to coöperate with legislators in order to get things done. Trump shows us to an ever greater degree that he simply does not understand how American democracy is set up to function in day-to-day terms, and that he is not willing to learn basic facts about that. He would rather stand there basking in the love of these baying imbeciles than sit down with some people who know how things work and learn how to cope with reasoned opposition.

The House has a Democratic majority yet here is Trump telling three Democrats and one woman allied to the Democrats to go back where they came from. It would be wrong to say that sort of thing to any US citizen; saying it to fellow members of government is even worse.

Trump stood there gloating for 13 seconds while his crowd chanted "Send her back." Later he said that he did not like hearing that, but if so, why didn't he simply tell his crowd that, tell them to settle down and be quiet? No, all you had to do was look at him there doing his rather poor impersonation of Benito Mussolini to see that he liked hearing those chants just fine; they echoed the meaning of what he had said earlier in the week.

Trump is stupid, sure, but not stupid enough to come right out and cuss out those women for being stroppy bitches who need to be taught their place. Instead he lets his followers do that sort of thing for him, followed by his weak "I didn't say that." No, Donald, you just stood there for 13 seconds while they said it for you.

West Coast, do you think that foreigners can't know enough about the States to offer informed opinion? Why shouldn't they comment if they want to? You sure like to let loose on the way some Europeans do things, don't you?
Yawn. Yes she is. You have any point beyond pointing out what we both know, she was elected to the HoR?

I honestly don't care what a foreigner has to think about US politcs. No more a royalist cares that I hold an opinion about the stupidity of having a queen, I don't care that someone in the UK holds an opinion about Trump.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 23:52
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Chuks, just where is it written he must repect her status? You think every President has in the past respected a critics status? Could it be past Presidents were perhaps PC and respected the expectations of snowflakes like yourself while playing dirty pool out of the spotlight?

Nah, its just Trump, your President. Unless you've given up your US citizenship.
Previous Presidents every comment was not jumped on by critics. It has become almost its one reality TV series.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 23:58
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Weat Coast, Ilhan Omar is a member of the US government, just as Trump is. He heads up the Executive Branch as president, while she is a mere first-term congresswoman, but they have both been elected to govern us.
He has been elected to Executive office by the whole of the US as laid down by US Constitution.

She was elected to Congress by 267,000 people with zero right to Govern anything.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 01:02
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Great rally in North Carolina last night! After 18 months of pussy footing around, followers of our dear leader finally got to act in their natural environment. I mean, "Send her back" isn't quite as heady as " Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer", but it's a damn good start right? Hopefully Stephen Miller is already working on the program to clean up society (although being a Jew himself, it might be a bit tricky when DHS are sewing on the colored stars) but no, that was a good start towards allowing 38% of American voters to show the rest of those faggoty liberals just what they think of Black, Brown, Asian, Gay, Muslim, foreign language speaking, foreign car owning, US Citizens. It must be such a relief after 55 years of the yolk of oppression under the Civil Rights Act to have a leader who can sweep that equality nonsense away and unite under the banner of ignorance and bigotry.

I mean some people might have thought it a bit too Teutonic, but what do they know? Only a feeble-minded bully would try to back away from the very reaction he inspired the day after right?


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Old 19th Jul 2019, 01:13
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“What's for sure, these women have more fight in them than any of the lowlifes attacking them.”

I would say Omar is more worthy of respect for her achievements in politics considering her background than Trump is of his. He is a white, male billionaire, the most privileged class there is.

“Another foreigner telling us what a US President must or must not do. You just never see that anymore…”

West Coast, you have a real issue with “foreigners” expressing opinions about how the US Government operates and the state of play on the political playing field.

Thats part of life in the globalized world we live in. Does someones geographical location impact the credibility of their opinions?

“That's because I think that Ilhan Omar in particular and the squad in general have no concept of American community and are actively intent on destroying what is left of it.”

What exactly is “American Community”?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 01:34
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Rather interesting picture here of Trump and his mentor Roy Cohn. Not sure if Trump is playing a Roman legionnaire or what.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...-most-evil-men

I am surprised that not many seem to know who Roy Cohn was--particulary since he was Joseph McCarthy's right hand man.

Scary dude who had the elite of the nation render a certain level of obeisance. Nancy Reagan called him after Ronald won the election.. They are making a documentary about him. I wonder if Donald will go see it.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...y-cohn-trailer
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 03:47
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
“What's for sure, these women have more fight in them than any of the lowlifes attacking them.”

I would say Omar is more worthy of respect for her achievements in politics considering her background than Trump is of his. He is a white, male billionaire, the most privileged class there is.

“Another foreigner telling us what a US President must or must not do. You just never see that anymore…”

West Coast, you have a real issue with “foreigners” expressing opinions about how the US Government operates and the state of play on the political playing field.

Thats part of life in the globalized world we live in. Does someones geographical location impact the credibility of their opinions?

“That's because I think that Ilhan Omar in particular and the squad in general have no concept of American community and are actively intent on destroying what is left of it.”

What exactly is “American Community”?
Incorrect. I have no issue with foreigners opining about issues when they don’t have skin in the game. I don’t happen to care what that opinion is. Thats the difference. I have opinions about certain euro events, even offer my opinion about them time to time. My opinion however is worth warm spit as I don’t have skin in the game.

If a topic has global implications then by all means I listen to others input. When it’s a domestic issue such as Trump telling Omar off and her responding in kind, while interesting, it has no bearing to the man in the street in Glasgow, Sydney or Buenos Aires. You may try to posit it does, but save your efforts as unless you’ve achieved US citizenship, your opinion doesn’t count.

Being in a “globalized” world means people are exposed to a larger infusion of news, it doesn’t mean their opinions suddenly become relevant.


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Old 19th Jul 2019, 07:27
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Racedo, you are like that flag we planted on the moon, waving, waving, but in a vacuum. You operate pretty much facts-free when you posit that Trump is somehow more legitimate than Omar because he was elected by the whole of the American populace, while she was only elected by her district.

If you stopped to think about it you would understand that Trump could not even have been elected dog-catcher in Manhattan, New York City. That is because there they know who he is. Even on the national stage with his true nature somewhat hidden, he lost the popular vote, only winning narrowly thanks to a quirk of our system, the Electoral College. Do not try to sell us this BS about how all America went for this low peddler of bunkum and bigotry. That is not us.

Omar, like her or not, is clearly genuine; she says what she means and stands behind it. I don't happen to agree with her stance towards Israel, for example, but I certainly can understand it, and I assume that those people who voted for her understand it too.

What does Trump stand for, though? In this latest episode of "Will the real Donald Trump please stand up?" we first saw him basking in the spotlight at his rally in Greenville as his people there bayed "Send her back!" Then we saw him squeak out "I didn't say that," and claim that he did not "like" hearing what he stood there listening to for 13 long seconds. Which is it then? He stood there liking it, obviously, but then told us that he had not liked it. Either this guy, for once in his life, was able to hide his true feelings, or else he is lying to us again. I will take "Trump is lying again," for $400, please.

Trump is the president, not our president, since he has never bothered to grow into the office and shed his "grifter from the Big Apple" persona. His appeal has not broadened but narrowed. If there were perfect justice in this world Trump would be working a three card monte scam on hicks from the sticks on Broadway, always ready to cheese it when the cops come around. That is what he is fit for, not this role as Leader of the Free World, a role he is far too small to fill adequately.

Something to think about is that Trump is the president of the United States, all the states, not just the ones with a sufficient number of Yahoos who like his brand of xenophobia (not that they even know what that big word, some kind of Latin from Latin America probably, even means). When a state sends someone to represent them in Congress, even a dark-skinned, naturalized, female, Muslim migrant who says mean, truthful things about him, Trump is still obliged to observe some degree of collegiality towards that person because they are there representing part of one of our 50 states. Summoning up the xenophobia of his deplorables is not correct, not at all. That is not what he was elected to do.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Racedo, you are like that flag we planted on the moon, waving, waving, but in a vacuum. You operate pretty much facts-free when you posit that Trump is somehow more legitimate than Omar because he was elected by the whole of the American populace, while she was only elected by her district.
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Fact free ?

ROFL.............. you then claim Trump is not "our" president but "the" president. Strange when people were using this against Obama no doubt you were on opposite side. US Constitution is clear as it never refers to "our" president in any way shape of form. Trump is "YOUR" president if you are a US Citizen, whether you voted for him or not or like him or not had zero relevance. Election happened in 2016 and it was decided by electoral college. Your opinion expressed in 2016, not required again until 2020.

I never mentioned anything regarding legitimacy, I highlighted that Trump was elected by US, Omar elected by a very small subset in a state. No legitimacy of elections was posted. Omar has the freedom to run to challenge Trump in 2020 if she so wishes.

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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:40
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Wrong again ....

Ilhan Omar in not a natural-born citizen of the USA and thus not eligible to run for president. If you recall, this "natural-born" requirement was what Trump was using for years in his birther campaign against Obama, not understanding that one can be born abroad and still be considered to be natural-born.

I can see where you get your liking for Trump from, Racedo. Great minds think alike, and so do tiny ones.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:52
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The BBC here is ridiculing Trump, in a pretty subtle way: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...ually-happened

In essence they are leaving it to anyone who reads the article and watches the video to decide whether the man's deliberately lying, being a bit disingenuous, or really just can't recall what at that rally he said (or rather, didn't say).

The only glimmer of comfort I gain from this is that the UK is not going to be alone in having a leader/future leader who's fairly universally seen as being untrustworthy. I fear that it's going to be a tough call as to who's seen as the more dishonest, Boris Johnson or Donald Trump.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 12:12
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He is your president, you poor sods, but his heroes seem to all be dictators above other leaders and as Chuks pointed out, he looked very much like a Mussolini at that last rally for chanters,
steely gaze but without the funny salute.
la mia strada o l'autostrada. Rimandarli indietro. Amalo o lascialo.
His cumulative actions point towards surreptitious and blatant usurpation of power with a goal to have as much as possible in his hands dragging a big bunch of acting subordinates, a ditz of a daughter and other family hanger-ons on his coattails.
Never thought I'd see the proud Republican party become so fawningly toadish. What is that disease where your brain matter slowly drips out through your nose?
I grew up in the Vietnam era and while the chant then from the establishment was "America, Love it or Leave it", the opposition decided to stick around and Change it.
Arguably stopped the war but kind of faltered after that. Where are all the senior hippies now?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 12:18
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The media, well some bits, allegedly, are always spreading "fake news ! "....thankfully, one outlet can always be relied on to offer unwavering support......for the indefensible...... along with gaining the fervour of the core voters....well done Faux News ! ...last time it was "lock her up !"...this time, it's "send them home !"......always nice to have a slogan that can be easily remembered and chanted ...no thinking required after all........in metronomic grunting sounds.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...an-omar-attack
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 12:56
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racedo,
Previous Presidents every comment was not jumped on by critics. It has become almost its one reality TV series.
You must have somehow missed the 8 years of the presidency that preceded the Trumpster. The reason it is the way it is today is simply because we have reality TV star acting in the role as president. Trump has explained to you, as a TV star, what he can do, especially when it comes to women...
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 13:55
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West Coast,
Another foreigner telling us what a US President must or must not do. You just never see that anymore...
Nella83's post that you dismissed because it was written by a "foreigner" is a typical blind Trump core supporter response. The post had much good content. Perhaps you need to go back and revisit history from the beginning of the formation of our Republic. Trump's take it or leave it rhetoric ignores a history of dissent at the beginning, not surprising, as he isn't a student of history. James Madison said that without the ability to criticize the Government there would never have been the ability to achieve freedom from England and the Constitution would never have been developed. But, then in 1798, President John Adams signed laws that became known as Alien and Sedition Acts which were used to stifle criticism of himself and to throw dissents into jail. This most recent controversy initiated by Trump's and then Trump's responses runs counter to the US Constitution's First Amendment doctrine, freedom of speech. His suggesting the four women (Squad) hate America and should leave is nothing more than another Trump lie, they never said they hate America. Evidently, you must be heavily influenced by his lies as there isn't any truth in what he says.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 14:38
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Racedo, you are like that flag we planted on the moon, waving, waving, but in a vacuum. You operate pretty much facts-free when you posit that Trump is somehow more legitimate than Omar because he was elected by the whole of the American populace, while she was only elected by her district.

If you stopped to think about it you would understand that Trump could not even have been elected dog-catcher in Manhattan, New York City. That is because there they know who he is. Even on the national stage with his true nature somewhat hidden, he lost the popular vote, only winning narrowly thanks to a quirk of our system, the Electoral College. Do not try to sell us this BS about how all America went for this low peddler of bunkum and bigotry. That is not us.

Omar, like her or not, is clearly genuine; she says what she means and stands behind it. I don't happen to agree with her stance towards Israel, for example, but I certainly can understand it, and I assume that those people who voted for her understand it too.

What does Trump stand for, though? In this latest episode of "Will the real Donald Trump please stand up?" we first saw him basking in the spotlight at his rally in Greenville as his people there bayed "Send her back!" Then we saw him squeak out "I didn't say that," and claim that he did not "like" hearing what he stood there listening to for 13 long seconds. Which is it then? He stood there liking it, obviously, but then told us that he had not liked it. Either this guy, for once in his life, was able to hide his true feelings, or else he is lying to us again. I will take "Trump is lying again," for $400, please.

Trump is the president, not our president, since he has never bothered to grow into the office and shed his "grifter from the Big Apple" persona. His appeal has not broadened but narrowed. If there were perfect justice in this world Trump would be working a three card monte scam on hicks from the sticks on Broadway, always ready to cheese it when the cops come around. That is what he is fit for, not this role as Leader of the Free World, a role he is far too small to fill adequately.

Something to think about is that Trump is the president of the United States, all the states, not just the ones with a sufficient number of Yahoos who like his brand of xenophobia (not that they even know what that big word, some kind of Latin from Latin America probably, even means). When a state sends someone to represent them in Congress, even a dark-skinned, naturalized, female, Muslim migrant who says mean, truthful things about him, Trump is still obliged to observe some degree of collegiality towards that person because they are there representing part of one of our 50 states. Summoning up the xenophobia of his deplorables is not correct, not at all. That is not what he was elected to do.
She stands behind what she says? Have you any clue? Nancy has forced her to walk back statement after statement. Funny how you’ll argue like hell Trump is a racist but defend Omar as genuine.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:11
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Very interesting. Found on social media:


1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes’. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father.
No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in

"Kenya, East Africa".
This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that
Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's
birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father
have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British
East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed
place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were
called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity
Home", Respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological
Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this
particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961
if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?


4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states
how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius,
so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate"
says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born.
That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - if
my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need
a non-revised history book - one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the
author's goals - to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and
1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest
stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.
Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter
the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes

All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the
Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted
herein). It is very easy for someone to check all this out.




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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:25
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Yawn. Yes she is. You have any point beyond pointing out what we both know, she was elected to the HoR?

I honestly don't care what a foreigner has to think about US politcs. No more a royalist cares that I hold an opinion about the stupidity of having a queen, I don't care that someone in the UK holds an opinion about Trump.
For someone who doesn't care you spend an awful lot of your time on an internet forum responding frantically to these people whose opinion you don't care about. Why are you even reading this?

You also seem to have rather missed the point of an internet forum, which is generally for discussion of an issue that interests people. Now don't get too flattered, I also take part in discussion of British/Japanese/Mexican/Rwandan/Italian politics. I live in Mexico so I have plenty of discussion here. No-one here ever tells me 'they don't care about a foreigners opinion'. Perhaps they're a little more enlightened and open to other ideas. I doubt any of the great scientific advances of mankind were made by someone saying 'I don't care what foreigners think'. How sad to be proud of being so ignorant.

Your dismissal of people's ideas purely because of where they're from just shows that you are completely unwilling to accept alternative viewpoints, which makes your own opinions worthless in debate, because they clearly haven't been arrived at my actual consideration of the views or willingness to consider new information. My 4 year old niece is probably more mature.

But it's good of you to let us know that you revel in ignorance. The world has a lot to teach all of us, yes even Americans(!), if you refuse to learn anything from the rest of the world, more fool you. I guess that's why parts of America have life expectancy the same as Rwanda, and various countries in Europe have far higher living standards. Anyway, you carry on in your little bubble, I guess reality is too much for you. I know it's hard to accept a lie you were sold as a child when you adopt it as a core part of your ego, but one day we all have to stop believing in Father Christmas.

I suspect you do care. A lot. The insecurity couldn't be more obvious.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Ilhan Omar in not a natural-born citizen of the USA and thus not eligible to run for president. If you recall, this "natural-born" requirement was what Trump was using for years in his birther campaign against Obama, not understanding that one can be born abroad and still be considered to be natural-born.

I can see where you get your liking for Trump from, Racedo. Great minds think alike, and so do tiny ones.
Wrong

US Constitution is clear
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United State "

This says absoultely NOTHING in relation the preventing any person running for Presidency of the US.

If someone ran and won they could not serve but there is no bar in US Constitution on someone running.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:58
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The BBC here is ridiculing Trump, in a pretty subtle way: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...ually-happened

In essence they are leaving it to anyone who reads the article and watches the video to decide whether the man's deliberately lying, being a bit disingenuous, or really just can't recall what at that rally he said (or rather, didn't say).

The only glimmer of comfort I gain from this is that the UK is not going to be alone in having a leader/future leader who's fairly universally seen as being untrustworthy. I fear that it's going to be a tough call as to who's seen as the more dishonest, Boris Johnson or Donald Trump.
BBC were directly involved in promoting stories agains Trump in 2016, allied with a paid (ex) Intelligence agent providing a dossier to US Democrats then that directly is UK Govt interference in US elections.
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