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Old 24th Jun 2019, 12:38
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Trump's reversible history...
So the cyber warfare reports of payback are rubbish?


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Old 24th Jun 2019, 13:13
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Enjoy your travels, Chuks. I'm sure you will have some great sushi.

In these parts there are quite a few recent immigrants from Burma, or whatever they call it this week. They have taken to running sushi counters. Apparently they all were trained in Salt Lake City. So we get Mormon Sushi. MAGA!

Since there are plenty of nice young American LDS's in Germany, they probably like sushi too. But Trump doesn't like sushi at all.
Several years ago, a family from Myanmarese bought a home and moved in across the street from where we live. They ran sushi kiosks in quite a few Kroger stores. They have since sold their home and moved to Kentucky where a larger community of Myanmarese reside and where their Chin Baptist church is located. The history as I understood it from them was that 19 years ago about 700 Myanmarese fled to Guam to avoid persecution and from there, entered the US, primarly to reside in the state of Indiana. Today they have communities and Chin Baptist churches spread across the US. as more have migrated to the US. They were great neighbors, very friendly and family oriented. Their sushi was and is very good, tasty!
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


So the cyber warfare reports of payback are rubbish?



So you think they are rubbish? I didn't say that. All Trump did was to say 'OK' to the US Cyber Command.
Iran has unleashed destructive cyberattacks in the past. In 2012, it launched the Shamoon virus that nearly destroyed more than 30,000 business network computers at Saudi Aramco, a state-owned oil company, Iranian cyber forces have tried to hack U.S. naval ships and navigation capabilities in the Persian Gulf region for the past few years.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iran’s alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
So why didn't Trump launch the cyber attack right after the tanker attacks instead of issuing his usual empty blustering threatening statements to Iran? There was no mystery as to who attacked the tankers.

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Old 24th Jun 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
So you think they are rubbish? I didn't say that. All Trump did was to say 'OK' to the US Cyber Command.
Iran has unleashed destructive cyberattacks in the past. In 2012, it launched the Shamoon virus that nearly destroyed more than 30,000 business network computers at Saudi Aramco, a state-owned oil company, Iranian cyber forces have tried to hack U.S. naval ships and navigation capabilities in the Persian Gulf region for the past few years.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iranís alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
So why didn't Trump launch the cyber attack right after the tanker attacks instead of issuing his usual empty blustering threatening statements to Iran? There was no mystery as to who attacked the tankers.
Glad your google intelligentsia has provided you an instant level understanding. Trumpís response was proportional and appropriate. While youíd rather see dead bodies, his response was the right one.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 16:12
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Glad your google intelligentsia has provided you an instant level understanding. Trump’s response was proportional and appropriate. While you’d rather see dead bodies, his response was the right one.

Learned the 'Fake News' trick from the Trumpster, eh? Make up what fits your fantasy.. So why didn't Trump launch the cyber attack right after the tanker attacks instead of issuing his usual empty blustering threatening statements to Iran?

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Old 24th Jun 2019, 17:06
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Learned the 'Fake News' trick from the Trumpster, eh? Make up what fits your fantasy.. So why didn't Trump launch the cyber attack right after the tanker attacks instead of issuing his usual empty blustering threatening statements to Iran?

Were the tankers US assets?

Just today Trump has ratcheted up sanctions for the shoot down. He is acting Presidential, not acting in a bellicose manner like youíd prefer.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:58
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This is an attitude that, above all other countries, makes the USA still the finest in the world.

​​​​​​https://medium.com/@letterforawealth...e-6eb3a548b2fe

Take note though that the base line exemption is set at $50 million.
Jeremy Corbyn has set his equivalent base line at £125,000 and all the world wonders why the country never gets anywhere at all.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 11:37
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Trump, presidential? He hasn't got a presidential bone in his body...
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 13:35
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post



Were the tankers US assets?

Just today Trump has ratcheted up sanctions for the shoot down. He is acting Presidential, not acting in a bellicose manner like youíd prefer.
Gee, I thought we maintain a significant naval presence in the narrow waterway bordering Iran to keep all ships safely moving through no matter the ownership. Guess we are just there for show, eh? So now, Iran has responded to the new Trump sanctions, What's next? I think Trump has painted himself into a corner. So it takes a major Trump created crisis and 2 1/2 years for Trump to act "Presidential" for part of a day? Give us all a break!
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 14:15
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


What makes you believe Trump hasnít answered the shootdown?
At a guess, because he hasn't bragged about it, gotten caught mistaken fantasy for facts (to put it mildly), stupidly divulged means and methods information of a highly classified nature, retracted a few times and had a twitter tantrum about how the MSM is treating him badly?

Just a hunch.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 15:49
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Fixed that for you ....

"Trump, presidential? He hasn't got a presidential bone in his head .... "

I am with SMT on this one. Trump can not resist bragging about whatever we have been up to. It matters not if that is something very secret, or even if it is something he had almost nothing to do with, he still has to brag about it. Remember the time he betrayed some Israeli secret when he was chatting with his Russian friends in the Oval Office? According to some reports our CIA even has to take care to keep some of its secrets secret from this most indiscreet of presidents.

We saw Trump's spycraft at work when all he needed to do (when he had only one job) was to buy the silence of a porn star and a Playmate. It ended up all over the news, even with some of the press helping him in his cover-up, and now his top secret operative is in prison for three years in part because of doing what Trump told him to do.

Trump on a secret mission to Tehran, at Imam Khomeini International Airport: "Your passport, please."

"There you go."

"So, Mr. Barron, what brings you to Tehran?"

"Huh? Who? My name is Trump, Donald John Trump. Don't you know who I am?"

"But your passport reads 'John Barron.'"

"Oh, yeah, right .... Hey, get your hands off me!"
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 16:43
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Had to Google the name John Barron and ended up spluttering coffee all over my keyboard.
And this, this...these men you elected president? Good grief.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 17:45
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Our guide through Hell ....

Dante had Virgil; we have Tom the Dancing Bug: https://boingboing.net/2016/05/17/to...-donald-a.html

SEXISM ALERT! Per skipped a woman.

Donald goes Bi: John Barron; John Baron; John Miller; David Dennison; but also Carolin (sic) Gallego. Ms. Gallego contacted the Washingtonian to tell them, by letter, that "The most beautiful women, the most successful women—all women love Donald Trump." She was a secretary for the Trump Organization who could imitate Trump's writing style perfectly, but the magazine was unable to find any trace of her in the records of the Trump Organization. It was almost as though she did not exist.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 18:00
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Sorry Chucks, considered adding a female. Ran out of letters.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 00:38
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Gee, I thought we maintain a significant naval presence in the narrow waterway bordering Iran to keep all ships safely moving through no matter the ownership. Guess we are just there for show, eh? So now, Iran has responded to the new Trump sanctions, What's next? I think Trump has painted himself into a corner. So it takes a major Trump created crisis and 2 1/2 years for Trump to act "Presidential" for part of a day? Give us all a break!
Let me help you, no the tankers weren't US flagged. You're acting as if Trump erred in not spilling Iranian blood. You that blood thirsty or is it simply because Trump didnít shoot them up that you must naturally take the opposing view and are now a Bolton like hawk. That's hatred at its worst.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 00:42
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Originally Posted by SMT Member View Post
At a guess, because he hasn't bragged about it, gotten caught mistaken fantasy for facts (to put it mildly), stupidly divulged means and methods information of a highly classified nature, retracted a few times and had a twitter tantrum about how the MSM is treating him badly?

Just a hunch.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.6d6c7ef05658

Just a hunch huh?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 06:29
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I do not follow your logic ....

I know now that I am only a Genius Third Class, but still, is this not baffling?

West Coast, you seem to see your Trump as some sort of dove, and that suddenly. That is because he called off a military attack on Iran that he himself had ordered. Which is kind of weird ....

Is there some sort of life-saving medal I can get for not pushing an old lady into the River Weser, just the other day? I was going to do it to the annoying old bag, but then my wife, a German spoilsport, told me that if I did that she probably would drown. So I did not do that, thus saving one life in much the same way as Trump saved 150 lives. (I can hear the applause from here, so thanks, guys!)

West Coast, I think we get it that when the president orders military action that usually involves some unfortunates getting the grease, on both sides.

Not everyone has ready access to a note reading as follows:

To Whom It May Concern:

Please excuse young [insert name of the advantaged one here] from anything dangerous or merely arduous.

He would love to go to war, except for his [insert name of imaginary malady here]. So please let him sit this one out.

Thanking you in advance I am,

Sincerely yours,

/s/ Hugo Z. Quackenbush, MD
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Licensed Doctor of Chiropractic, Albanian Medical Society, Cash no Checks

Your Trump got such a note, West Coast, so that his rather dim perception of reality was not enhanced by anything hot and nasty coming anywhere close to his pink, flabby, and very precious self, not even the verbal abuse of some random Drill Sergeant.

So advantaged Trump actually was disadvantaged. Otherwise he might immediately have grasped this obvious truth about getting us into yet another fight in a sandbox with a gang of very angry Muslims. (And if you thought that Sunnis could go all angry and unreasonable when you blow up a wedding party sort of by mistake, just wait until you see how Shiites react!)

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 07:53
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Chuks, in re your statement about you not pushing the woman into the waters of the Weser, it reminds me of that old saw when an aide of PM Disraeli asked him to help clarify a point of word usuage. "What is the difference betwwen calamity and catastrophe?" asked the young scribe.

Well, imagine for a moment, Disraeli weighed in, that Mr. Gladstone were to fall into the Thames. That would be a calamity indeed. "Yet let us imagine that someone were to fish him out--thus effecting his rescue" Disraeli continued. "Now that would be a catastrophe!"

A lesson perhaps here in the Trump saga.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:08
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Let me help you, no the tankers weren't US flagged. You're acting as if Trump erred in not spilling Iranian blood. You that blood thirsty or is it simply because Trump didnít shoot them up that you must naturally take the opposing view and are now a Bolton like hawk. That's hatred at its worst.
Let me reiterate the words in my post you skipped over, to keep all ships safely moving through no matter the ownership. Just another example of the fantasies you create.

Hang in there West Coast, November 2020 will be upon you before you know it. The you will be able to vote for your newly developed pacifist friend, John Barron. Meanwhile the real Trumpster is trying to figure out how to save his heartfelt, caring image that's been dashed, or never had, resulting from his orders of treatment for the captured kids at the Southern border, "Lock em up'!
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 13:13
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Let me reiterate the words in my post you skipped over, to keep all ships safely moving through no matter the ownership. Just another example of the fantasies you create.

Hang in there West Coast, November 2020 will be upon you before you know it. The you will be able to vote for your newly developed pacifist friend, John Barron. Meanwhile the real Trumpster is trying to figure out how to save his heartfelt, caring image that's been dashed, or never had, resulting from his orders of treatment for the captured kids at the Southern border, "Lock em up'!
So have it clear in my mind, you believe Trump should have pulled the trigger over the foreign flagged ships that were damaged, not sunk and killed the 150 or so Iranians?

You know, you can dislike someone and still from time to time acknowledge they did something right. I did that with Obama even though I never voted for the man. Itís a sign that youíre rational and not simply full of blind hatred that clouds judgement.

As far as the tankers, show me some mandate that requires that Trump bomb the Iranians for damaging third party ships. I get it, thatís what you think the purpose of the US military in the region, but where is that required? Also, keeping the straights open isnít the same as bombing Iran for a third party attack. Each military deployment comes with its own set of goals, doctrine, ROE. Thatís where your answer lies, not just what you ďthoughtĒ the military presence is in region for.
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