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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
25,000 jobs secured with $3,000,000,000 in subsidies means a subsidy of $120,000 per job. (These job and subsidy numbers are some that have been cited in connection with this Amazon deal that AOC supposedly scuppered all on her own.)

Some of those promised jobs were high-earning ones, but most of them would have been relatively low-paying jobs. Then there is the question of just how Long Island City was going to be expected to deal with an influx of employees, along with their families. Part of the problem is that the deal was worked out between Albany and Amazon, with little local input that might have looked more closely at local issues such as that one.

AOC might be quite unpopular with local voters, but the Amazon deal also seemed to be somewhat unpopular. This is probably not a case of AOC having killed the goose that was going to lay golden eggs in Long Island City.
Amazon not popular among her constituents? That’s one of the prime reasons for their displeasure with her.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
I've pretty much stopped following this thread, but one post a few pages back caught my eye.

Kent State: "Primarily because "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable." (Scranton Commission, Sept. 1970)". "A lot of lessons learned - it would be virtually impossible for it to happen today in similar circumstances."

Waaal, the circumstances haven't recurred, but the bloodshed continues (and Kent State was only 4 dead)

Mac (who has a deep and abiding love for the wilds and small towns of America)

America, where are you now?

:-(
We’re in the same place, you’re just viewing it through the lens of the media and your own bias.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:58
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TD, weren’t you extolling AOC’s virtues a few months ago? ‘Splainin why her rejection of the Amazon deal represented her district’s voters. If so, looks like they’ve had a big time change of heart.

I suspect she’ll be a bad memory in NY politics come next election.
I suspect you don't know NYC politics very well.

Most New Yorkers wanted Amazon's presence, but they don't differentiate between people who were actually paying attention, and people who just heard "25,000 jobs." The jobs Amazon said it planned to bring in, with average salaries of $150,000 or higher, were not the kinds of jobs struggling working-class New Yorkers were looking for; they're engineering jobs that would have brought bright young faces from around the world. New York has a history of being that kind of place, of course, and it should continue to be, but not without also caring about the people already living there.

Western Queens is well-known as the most affordable spot currently left in New York City with an easy subway commute to midtown Manhattan. It's a ferment of immigrants and working-to-middle-class residents, one express stop from the proposed Amazon HQ location, people famously speak 167 languages. An influx of highly paid tech transplants, local activists worried, would speed up the process of making nearby neighborhoods unaffordable for the retail clerks, bank tellers, and small shopkeepers who inhabit the area. In the wake of the announcement, neighborhood's Facebook group filled with worried renters and a gloating landlords. This framing of "political opposition", in this case, literally means "listening to constituents.” After the Amazon news broke, there were reports of landlords increasing rents in the region by as much as $800 a month. Imagine paying 1800 a month and being told next year it'll be 2600.

BTW, I was supporting the locals in Long Island City in earlier postings, not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. While she represents a neighboring district, it is not the district where the Amazon headquarters were planned. (Carolyn Maloney represents the 12th Congressional District.)

Does your Congressional support the constituents he represents or himself? The one I have, a conservative Republican, supports himself, never been to our community, uses unannounced dinner time phone calls to join in on as a substitute for in person town-hall meetings.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
I suspect you don't know NYC politics very well.

Most New Yorkers wanted Amazon's presence, but they don't differentiate between people who were actually paying attention, and people who just heard "25,000 jobs." The jobs Amazon said it planned to bring in, with average salaries of $150,000 or higher, were not the kinds of jobs struggling working-class New Yorkers were looking for; they're engineering jobs that would have brought bright young faces from around the world. New York has a history of being that kind of place, of course, and it should continue to be, but not without also caring about the people already living there.

Western Queens is well-known as the most affordable spot currently left in New York City with an easy subway commute to midtown Manhattan. It's a ferment of immigrants and working-to-middle-class residents, one express stop from the proposed Amazon HQ location, people famously speak 167 languages. An influx of highly paid tech transplants, local activists worried, would speed up the process of making nearby neighborhoods unaffordable for the retail clerks, bank tellers, and small shopkeepers who inhabit the area. In the wake of the announcement, neighborhood's Facebook group filled with worried renters and a gloating landlords. This framing of "political opposition", in this case, literally means "listening to constituents.” After the Amazon news broke, there were reports of landlords increasing rents in the region by as much as $800 a month. Imagine paying 1800 a month and being told next year it'll be 2600.

BTW, I was supporting the locals in Long Island City in earlier postings, not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. While she represents a neighboring district, it is not the district where the Amazon headquarters were planned. (Carolyn Maloney represents the 12th Congressional District.)

Does your Congressional support the constituents he represents or himself? The one I have, a conservative Republican, supports himself, never been to our community, uses unannounced dinner time phone calls to join in on as a substitute for in person town-hall meetings.
Trying to put some distance between yourself and AOC. Probably wise given her unpopularity, surprising though given the adulation you expressed for her.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 00:39
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Trying to put some distance between yourself and AOC. Probably wise given her unpopularity, surprising though given the adulation you expressed for her.
No, Fake News on your part. Just trying to correct your warped vision and reading capabilities, might want to get your reading glasses and comprehension capabilities checked...

See that your pet Congressional Rep has got some real domestic problems, nothing to do with representing the constituency of your district. I guess you are all in for him still although his wife isn't.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 00:52
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
No, Fake News on your part. Just trying to correct your warped vision and reading capabilities, might want to get your reading glasses and comprehension capabilities checked...

See that your pet Congressional Rep has got some real domestic problems, nothing to do with representing the constituency of your district. I guess you are all in for him still although his wife isn't.
So, not a fan of AOC anymore? The whole rat, sinking ship thing.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 03:30
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Is it about "brand development"?

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) just showed up very recently, thanks to that surprise primary win over her ten-term Democratic opponent.

She is as much an exception as Trump, so that she attracts (and probably needs) media attention as a sort of anti-Trump: young vs. old; energetic vs. letharigic; attractive vs. sometimes looking just like Jabba the Hutt in a cheap blonde wig ... I could go on, but I see WC's eyes already beginning to glaze over.

I think AOC knew before she ever made it into Congress that she would need to establish her brand, that it was no use to simply go to Washington and meekly disappear into the system to do politics as usual. So she is a bit of a bomb-thrower with a stated anti-capitalist agenda, as not a Democrat but a Democratic Socialist.

The woman can talk! That's another one for the long list of "Why AOC is the anti-Trump." (It has got to the point with Trump where it has become "making fun of the handicapped," zinging the poor man for his stumbling delivery of rubbishy lies uttered in Monglish. Trump is a spazz.) It might be so that her district tires of her work on the national stage to build the AOC brand, if that does not bring much benefit to them, the folks back home. If she loses that local support then she might be gone from the House as suddenly as she arrived, but even then I don't think we will have seen the last of her. In fact, it would be surprising if her fellow Democrats fail to help her out with some good old pork-barrel politics, giving her something for her district that she can use to keep that local support.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 05:29
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The woman can talk
You guys related?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:54
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West Coast,
So, not a fan of DDH anymore? The whole rat, sinking ship thing.
There, I corrected your quote...

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 12:34
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A Memory Reboot

West Coast,

Let me refresh your failing memory as to what I said back on March 4, 2019 about AOC:
The Real Amazon - NYC Story
Long Island City is just across the East River from mid-town Manhattan, less than a 10 minute subway ride. It is still an affordable place to live besides the numerous cafes, restaurants and small stores. As such, it is independent and has a course identified for future development. It is a favorite location for young people as well as older people as well as retirees. The big worry for these residents is an increasing influx of wealthy people through teardown and construction of high-rise and high cost of living residential towers, some of which are underway. Amazon did not talk to local community leaders in Long Island City before the selection announcement.

Amazon didn’t notice that the local state senator was both adamantly opposed and had just become one of the most powerful people in Albany. Amazon even somehow managed to miss the fact that half of their new facility would be located in the district of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, currently the most high profile progressive, anti-corporate politician in Congress. If you had to make a list of all 435 congressional districts and pick the single one whose representative would dislike the deal and have the platform and power to possibly derail it, this would be it. Taking a little more time, doing a little more homework, and being a little more humble would have gone a long way.

So then here comes Amazon, building a headquarter's complex in a location that had been planned for development of affordable housing, small shops, startup businesses and a park along the water front. Amazon purported the creation of thousands of jobs and wages starting at $150,000. So where are those thousands of employees going to live? What is Amazon going to do for the existing residents? What do the citizens want? What do the citizens need?

Guess what West Coast, Amazon didn't know nor did Governor Cuomo know because they never visited or asked. It was a sweetheart deal made in Albany quite a few miles up the Hudson River from NYC and the deal provided Amazon with a $3 billon incentive package from a city and state that can’t afford to fix its subways or even provide decent affordable housing.

So when it was announced the Long Island City citizens and their elected representatives swung into action to tank the sweetheart deal. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio backed away from the deal when Amazon refused to support unionization of its workers. From a business standpoint, that’s a perfectly fine position for Amazon to take. From a political standpoint, it’s a disaster in NYC. Bill de Blasio was elected mayor by the unions. To choose New York City, then refuse to accept unionization and then tacitly threaten to leave and then leave only makes Amazon look like a bunch of amateurs which they were. They should have seen this coming and either decided the economic model still worked with unionization or picked somewhere else, simple as that. While New York would benefit from hosting Amazon, it doesn’t need Amazon. Google has created thousands of jobs in NYC without receiving a penny in tax incentives.

To put a little aviation content in this, not long ago Jet Blue bought and renovated an old empty factory building in Long Island City and converted it to their headquarters. The location is a good spot for them, not that far from Laguardia and Kennedy airports. Jet Blue worked together with the residents and community leaders to make their move happen. Long Island City welcomed Jet Blue with open arms. [img]images/smilies/thumbs.gif
I've got to ask, have you ever been to Long Island City? Do you know where it is without looking it up on a Google map? Did you ever live in the NYC area or NYC proper? All your fluff about the Amazon's Long Island City failure is nothing more than your personal opinion from a distance. I also get the fact that you absolutely hate AOC. Can you make this fact any more clearer?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 13:57
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"Central Park Five", ads and apologies from Trump? Did one, not the other, not half bad.
What a man, what a president.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 16:30
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You are an optimist!

As far as the Central Park Five goes, Trump still thinks that they are guilty of ... something or other, so that it was a mistake to release them, let alone pay them compensation for wrongful conviction:

Trump in June, 2014:"My opinion on the settlement of the Central Park Jogger case is that it's a disgrace. A detective close to the case, and who has followed it since 1989, calls it 'the heist of the century.' Forty million dollars is a lot of money for the taxpayers of New York to pay when we are already the highest taxed city and state in the country. The recipients must be laughing out loud at the stupidity of the city. How much money are the lawyers for the Central Park Five getting out of the 40 million dollars, or are they paid by the City (or both)?"

Trump in late 2016: "They admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same."

Trump's take on this is a simple one. Let me paraphrase:

"All you have to do is to look at those five guys, and then you just know that they had been prowling Central Park mugging and defiling white women. Okay, they beat the rap on this one rape/beating on a technicality [DNA evidence backing the actual perpetrator's confession to the crime], but how many other white women had they attacked before then without having been caught?

"Okay, okay ... maybe they hadn't even actually done any of that yet, but it was just a matter of time until they did do that sort of terrible crime since they were caught right there in Central Park up to no good. People like that do not go into Central Park just to enjoy it the way a white person does. Blacks are going to mug you there, beat you, rape you half to death with that enormous thing they have ... they can't control themselves; Puerto Ricans are going to pick your pocket or maybe stab you, or both; Mexicans are there selling drugs; Koreans, they set up those vegetable stands; Muslims, they just want to blow themselves up ... we need to take back control of our Central Park!

"Stop and think about that; you know it makes sense, even though I am the only one with guts enough to tell it like it is."

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:06
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On this matter, Fred, many of us on the Right are of the same opinion as you lot. It's just ridiculous.

I think it stems from the fact that our Congressjerks have a mandated 2 year term. And seniority in the job is what counts for "getting things done". So no sooner do you get to Washington than you realize you have little power (even AOC recognizes that, and chooses to attract the media instead), and therefore you have to begin planning your reelection immediately.

The Presidency is no different, just blown up to a 4 year plan.

This is the one area where a Parliamentary system, with the threat of being kicked out tomorrow, excels.
I agree. Irrespective of for whom one votes in the U.S., I truly pity the citizens for the next 18 months of a daily onslaught of stupid political adverts.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:21
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
West Coast,

Let me refresh your failing memory as to what I said back on March 4, 2019 about AOC:


I've got to ask, have you ever been to Long Island City? Do you know where it is without looking it up on a Google map? Did you ever live in the NYC area or NYC proper? All your fluff about the Amazon's Long Island City failure is nothing more than your personal opinion from a distance. I also get the fact that you absolutely hate AOC. Can you make this fact any more clearer?
Hate her? Heavens no, I love her, she'sthe gift that keeps on giving. She's doing more damage to the democratic brand than anyone else. Shame she'll be gone so soon. Till then, the media has made her o e of the leading faces of your party. I dont even think Chuks likes her.

One of the reasons she'll be history is her opposition to Amazon. District polls show that, but you continue on about my travel destinations instead.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:30
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Wrong again ....

I think that AOC is a breath of fresh air. On other hand, does she have a sure future in our national legislature? Probably not is my guess, but that is not to say that she's going to be a one-term wonder even if her constituents are as unhappy with her as West Coast seems to think that they are.

She came out of left field to take an amazing win in her little district. That was something the incumbent never saw coming, since who tosses out a successful ten-term congressman in that way? That sort of thing usually only happens in the wake of some huge scandal, not on the basis of politics alone. You are right, West Coast, to think that the same thing that got AOC in, local people deciding to take a chance on her, may get her out again if those same people find that she has not done enough for them. As it is, she seems to be focused on national issues, so that we don't hear much about her on the local level aside from her moves against this Amazon headquarters.

As to that, I think that it's pretty much correct to ask you, West Coast, about your knowledge of New York City. You only seem to see one side of this issue with Amazon, taking New York City as a whole. Really it's made up of many little enclaves, so that someone living on Park Avenue may have very little in common with someone living in Queens.

As you travel around all of the City you can see how very diverse it is. Unless you have read both widely and deeply about the City (and you do not come off as much of a reader, West Coast) then you would need to have gone there, and gone all over the City, to understand a bit better where AOC literally is coming from in her opposition to this Amazon deal.

Lots of folks have "been to New York City," when that usually means that they've gone straight from La Guardia or JFK into Manhattan for a short stay, and then straight back. Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queens, Staten Island ... terra incognita.

From the point of view of someone from Manhattan, sure, why not have some monster corporate headquarters sited in Long Island City? That would be of about as much concern to them as having had the world's largest landfill site on Staten Island.

Do I like AOC? Well, I certainly do not dislike her, although I do find her a bit brash. Anyway, I think that she's reasonably honest in her beliefs, practically a saint compared to Trump and that clique of lying, opportunistic ratbags that he has transformed most once-respectable Republicans into.

If you want to put it very, very simply, West Coast, then I do like her; you guessed wrong there. Yeah, I am behind her just as you really are behind Trump. (Not, as you are, wanting to have it both ways, backing someone somewhat abhorrent for tactical reasons, I think that AOC is a genuinely good person. If she turns into just another hack, or else a loser, then I shall be disappointed.)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:54
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Deny, Dismiss, Deflect, etc.

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Hate her? Heavens no, I love her, she'sthe gift that keeps on giving. She's doing more damage to the democratic brand than anyone else. Shame she'll be gone so soon. Till then, the media has made her o e of the leading faces of your party. I dont even think Chuks likes her.

One of the reasons she'll be history is her opposition to Amazon. District polls show that, but you continue on about my travel destinations instead.
If you love her, you must hate Duncan Hunter, your Congressional District representative. But you don't even want to talk about him, rather deflect to the East Coast to go on and on about AOC. Think Duncan will get reelected for another term? How many felony counts has he been charged with? Now that his wife has pled guilty and will testify against him in Federal Court, do you think the Republican brand has been damaged? Duncan sounds pretty much like the folks Trump selects and doesn't bother vetting, Duncan might have a future working for Trump Inc in the end.

What I find interesting about your continued AOC harangue is your lack of knowledge of NY & NYC and its politics. You seemingly based your personal conclusion about AOC's future on the Siena poll that claimed the State of New York was in favor of Amazon locating in Long Island City. Do you know where Siena is located in New York State? It happens to be a northern suburb of Albany. Do you know what Albany is noted for? It is where the State Capital of the State of New York is located. Who is the Governor of the State of New York? Andrew Cuomo. Where was the clandestine decision concocted to approve the Long Island City as Amazon's location and reward Amazon with a $3 billion tax abatement package without even ever visiting Long Island City to determine what the residents really thought? It was in Albany, of course. If you were Governor of New York State, where would you get a favorable poll in favor of Amazon's preferred location and push your plan through? Siena of course or any other poll taken in New York State other than Long Island City.

AOC didn't screw up, she voiced her opinion based on her constituents input just as did the other Congressional Representative where the larger part of the proposed facility was to be located. Governor Cuomo screwed up, Fact is, NYC didn't need Amazon at a $3 billion tax payer paid ransom. But do keep us informed of your Congressional Rep's legal entanglement as his court date approaches...

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:11
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If you love her, you must hate Duncan Hunter, your Congressional District representative. But you don't even want to talk about him, rather deflect to the East Coast to go on and on about AOC. Think Duncan will get reelected for another term? How many felony counts has he been charged with? Now that his wife has pled guilty and will testify against him in Federal Court, do you think the Republican brand has been damaged? Duncan sounds pretty much like the folks Trump selects and doesn't bother vetting, Duncan might have a future working for Trump Inc in the end.

What I find interesting about your continued AOC harangue is your lack of knowledge of NY & NYC and its politics. You seemingly based your personal conclusion about AOC's future on the Siena poll that claimed the State of New York was in favor of Amazon locating in Long Island City. Do you know where Siena is located in New York State? It happens to be a northern suburb of Albany. Do you know what Albany is noted for? It is where the State Capital of the State of New York is located. Who is the Governor of the State of New York? Mario Cuomo. Where was the clandestine decision concocted to approve the Long Island City as Amazon's location and reward Amazon with a $3 billion tax abatement package without even ever visiting Long Island City to determine what the residents really thought? It was in Albany, of course. If you were Governor of New York State, where would you get a favorable poll in favor of Amazon's preferred location and push your plan through? Siena of course or any other poll taken in New York State other than Long Island City.

AOC didn't screw up, she voiced her opinion based on her constituents input just as did the other Congressional Representative where the larger part of the proposed facility was to be located. Governor Cuomo screwed up, Fact is, NYC didn't need Amazon at a $3 billion tax payer paid ransom. But do keep us informed of your Congressional Rep's legal entanglement as his court date approaches...

Love the consequence free universe you live in. Your girl is highly unpopular, one of the prime reasons was her support to deep six amazon. She'll pay for that soon. Then you'll only have your memories of AOC to comfort you.

As to Hunter, he's not conservative enough for my likes. There's a number of true conservatives starting to circle their prey. If he goes, we'll likely get a true conservative in his place. He is due his day in court however, as much as you've already tried and sentenced him.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:28
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We are back to the same old thing: Chuks, TD, et al telling us who is the right or wrong person for the political job because they "like" or "dislike" them. Positions, policies, accomplishments? Nah, irrelevant.
Always about the "feelings", the outrages, and being offended.

An approach the Dems have milked forever, so they are incapable of understanding reality, especially when it comes from someone who doesn't live in their la-la land.
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Love the consequence free universe you live in. Your girl is highly unpopular, one of the prime reasons was her support to deep six amazon. She'll pay for that soon. Then you'll only have your memories of AOC to comfort you.
She isn't my girl, she is the Congressional Representative of New York's 14th Congressional District. I don't live or vote in that district and assume you don't either. So neither of us are saying who is right or wrong for that District's Congressional position as your backup supporter, Obgraham, implies. Now the information you have provided about AOC must come from Conservative news sites, like Fox News. There are plenty of sites and people that disagree and there are viable reasons for that.

Nearly half of the people in New York’s 14th District are of Hispanic or Latino heritage. Less than a quarter of the overall U.S. population has such heritage.

With a 52% approval rating, AOC has a higher net favorability rating than any other major politician in her state, including Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Sen. Chuck Schumer, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand. She also had a slightly higher net favorability than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Siena poll found. AOC is better liked among people of color, young people, and women. While 64% of black and Latino voters approve of the 29-year-old lawmaker, just 45% of white voters view her favorably. The outspoken freshman lawmaker is well-known among her constituents, just 15% of them said they didn't have an opinion about her. In contrast, 38% of those polled said they didn't know enough to have an opinion about Ocasio-Cortez's predecessor, Joe Crowley, who held the seat for two decades. Ocasio-Cortez was also better known than Gillibrand, who's running for president.

On Fox News segments between January 1 and February 15 of this year, comparing the number of segments mentioning AOC to those focusing on at least one of the Democratic 2020 presidential candidates, AOC got more coverage on Fox News than any Democratic candidate save one, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who is also a right-wing boogeywoman. AOC got significantly more Fox News coverage than fellow Democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders.

It’s astonishing that a Democratic backbencher could get this much attention and get so famous at the beginning of her first term. It’s a testament to how much of a phenomenon she is on the Democratic left — and how much the right seems to both hate and fear her.

Much of the group that powered her victory has remained politically active, coming together to sink the Amazon deal and to push for further police reforms at City Hall. This group—well-educated, young and upwardly mobile could become a new force in city politics, one that operates outside of the traditional organizational lanes. “It’s all about the gentrifiers who don’t want to be gentrified,” said one Bronx-based political operative. “Her supporters come from newly formed community groups. They rally around issues, they don’t rally around neighborhoods and they don’t rally around neighborhood leaders.”

AOC resisted the notion that she killed Amazon “with two tweets,” as she put it, but in the first citywide election since she was sworn in, for the job of Public Advocate, the second-highest ranking post in the city, it was clear that AOC had bent the politics of the city. Throughout the campaign, all the candidates railed against the online retailer, and at debates all but one pledged to cease shopping from the website even though many of them too had previously signed a letter of support welcoming the company to the city.

Just some information you might not have known... And if you love AOC as a Conservative on the Right as you said, you must be an outlier.
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The rag-tag tag team is in action again!

OB, I think I made if reasonably clear that my positive view of AOC is not based on a simple "like" or "dislike." This is just another damn-fool challenge, this one from West Coast asking me to answer on the most basic of levels whether I like or dislike AOC. The truth is that I do not dislike her, but to digitize that answer makes it that I like her.

What is the problem you two have, anyway? You should be happy winning with Trump. Instead you are always picking at scabs. First it was that I simply had to tell my SATs, because I pointed out that if Trump let us see his that would show us whether or not he is the genius he claims to be. That turned something germane about Trump into something personal and rather pointless.

Now it is that I have to declare some simple-minded like or dislike for a politician. When it comes to politics there can be much more to it than that. Some people, it is true, are objects of a deep personal dislike: Richard Nixon, Roy Cohn, Joe McCarthy, Donald Trump, the Arkansas Lard Biscuit .... I can always come up with something objective to justify that dislike. On the other hand, even odious Nixon did manage to crank out a rather good portrait of David Douglas Duncan; I have to give him credit for that: https://www.google.com/search?q=davi...BN5X0VsSzYiFM:

The main thing is that I like the positions AOC has taken. Additionally she certainly comes across as more honest, thoughtful, and intelligent that Donald Trump. So what? We have magpies in our garden that also surpass Trump in those ways, and a goldfish in our garden fishpond with a longer attention span than his.

It is the Trump partisans who generally operate on this simple-minded like/dislike basis. Trump gets it wrong each and every day, not least with his persistent lies uttered at a rate of about ten per day. Yet he is liked, for no good reason. Liking him is enough for the sort of boobs who like him to like him, so that the harder any fact-based life forms attack this foolishness, the harder it goes back to work liking Trump. There he is, giving those who like him a good rooting while telling them how much he cares about them, our only real Americans ....
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