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Old 25th Apr 2019, 19:46
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The more that comes out the more it looks like the Steele dossier was an attempt to ensure Trump was not elected as certain parties were promising Kiev that they would be provided lots of support for a war against Russia.

Interesting that outgoing President of Ukraine funds the think tank which pays for the US Special Envoy to Ukraine and McCain was in the thick of it.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 19:49
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racedo, isn't it nice, the way that two people can meet and make friends with each other thanks to the internet? Here you have a new friend from someplace far off: Concours77. Your shallow cynicism will make such a good fit with his general dementia, given that you both seem to be equally, happily ignorant of very many basic facts. You really do not need to ask me to join in too. I would not know where to start, honestly.
Aside it seems from abusing people.

Rather than knowing where to start, perhaps you should learn when to stop.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 20:12
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Thanks Lonewolf for the thoughts on Iran and the oil sanctions. I appreciate you insight on this. I just worry that the Saudis will somehow goad the U.S. into a rash action under the guise of the need for a regime change in Tehran. Obviously something that even the W administration eschewed so we can probably sleep well tonight...but one never knows and thus my interest.

I remember after the 11 September attacks that tens of thousands of young people were in the streets of Iran voicing support for the U.S. only to be labeled in that axis of evil but four months later.

Thanks to you as well OB for your thoughts. Lots of facets to it.

Btw, I heard the terms that Chuks and Lonewolf used. In fact rube is not that uncommon. Now start using baseball or American football terms and the ground gets a bit thin. Even then I can think of "open field running," "a home run," "up to bat," etc. that are widely in use or at least recognizable. Always something new to learn and that isthe fun.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 20:33
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Jargon!

Once I was chatting with a Belgian friend when I mentioned a day when the "weather was so bad that the birds were walking." He seemed to think that was the most brilliant and original thing he had ever heard, when I had to hasten to tell him it was just one of those things that pilots say, a mere cliché.

Then there was this German Chief Pilot with a scanty command of English, so that his rowdy Brit line slime would make fun of him, sometimes even to his face. One weak point was his not knowing quite how to use the "f-word." One day, after having been mocked yet again, he exploded with "You people! You think I know f*ck-nothing! I tell you now, I know f*ck-all!" Hilarity ensued.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 00:55
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"You people! You think I know f*ck-nothing! I tell you now, I know f*ck-all!" Hilarity ensued
Shows he was an educated individual talking to a bunch of not so educated.

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Old 26th Apr 2019, 03:10
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Thanks Lonewolf for the thoughts on Iran and the oil sanctions. I appreciate you insight on this. I just worry that the Saudis will somehow goad the U.S. into a rash action under the guise of the need for a regime change in Tehran.
Recent piece in Atlantic by Graeme Wood on Bolton paints in interesting picture of how that gent likes to operate. He seems to be aiming to be "the one voice that whispers in the ear and is listened to." (The last three words are the very hard part). Granted, Wood is NO Fan of Bolton. Not. At. All. Objective reporting? Not.
Obviously something that even the W administration eschewed so we can probably sleep well tonight...but one never knows and thus my interest.
The game changes all the time, just as a chess board changes with each move. Nothing is static.
I remember after the 11 September attacks that tens of thousands of young people were in the streets of Iran ...
For sure, the "axis of evil" line must have come across as "uh, what?" from their PoV, particularly as Bill Clinton tried to thaw things in the 98-00 time frame.

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Old 26th Apr 2019, 06:27
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Let's speak Strine ....

Donald Trump has a 'roo loose in the top paddock. Like that, you mean?

I was startled to be told that North Korea had presented a bill for $2 million in medical costs for the care of Otto Warmbier, that US student they handed back in a morbid coma so that he died soon after his repatriation. Now that is a really sordid touch to that whole affair, when the worst part is that Trump must have known this when he fell "in love" with Kim Jong Un.

That love affair has turned into a ménage à trois; Vladimir Putin has joined in with an offer to help Trump settle things with their boyfriend.

I wonder if anyone has explained to Trump exactly what North Korea's long-standing wish for denuclearization involves: the removal of US troops from South Korea, probably followed by the forced reunification of the Korean peninsula under the rule of whichever Kim is still standing. We know that Trump does not like getting into the details of whatever disastrous deals he makes, but this is one detail he really needs to focus on. It is easy to imagine Trump caught in a real bind when his two best pals, Vlad and Kim, both appear as emissaries of world peace through denuclearization, leaving Trump floundering, again lost for words.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 14:27
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
That love affair has turned into a ménage à trois; Vladimir Putin has joined in with an offer to help Trump settle things with their boyfriend.
Man, chuks, that's a gross visual.

Rummy removed a significant number of US troops in the early 00's from South Korea. I believe, that the longer term objective is to remove them all.
But it's event driven, not calendar driven.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 15:22
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Ancient history ....

British slang includes "When I"s. As in, "When I was on Shackletons ... " or whatever. So bear with me here ....

When I was in Vietnam we were winning, but never mind that now! No, when I was in Vietnam we had a guy in our unit who had participated in that 1961 stand-off at Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin. What a Jonah! First that, then the Tet Offensive!

Ten of our tanks were faced off then against ten Russian tanks. Behind our tanks there must have been a few more tanks there in Berlin, probably about a hundred in all, but behind their tanks were another thousand tanks, and about sixteen thousand Russian troops, too. Our guy said that he was not feeling very happy right then, and not very optimistic either.

Imagine how our 2nd Infantry guys stationed on the border with North Korea must be feeling now, with our President, their Commander in Chief, "in love" with the murderous freak who runs that starving bastion of not-exactly-Communism they have to face down every day.

Dear old Cadet Bone Spurs is at it again with the fighting talk and the foolish behavior, talk he's never going to have to back up and behavior he seems to always get away with. Nope, no fool he; he's not someone stuck with an 11B MOS and a post on the border with North Korea, waiting there to see if Kim Jong Un feels like pulling some dirty trick just to get Trump's attention again. Now with Vladimir Putin added to the mix! Robert Mueller too, since Trump might decide to stir up trouble with the Norks as a way of distracting us from reading too closely into that report.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Donald Trump has a 'roo loose in the top paddock. Like that, you mean?

I was startled to be told that North Korea had presented a bill for $2 million in medical costs for the care of Otto Warmbier, that US student they handed back in a morbid coma so that he died soon after his repatriation. Now that is a really sordid touch to that whole affair, when the worst part is that Trump must have known this when he fell "in love" with Kim Jong Un.
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And in perfect diplomacy the US agreed to receive the bill as long as he was released, then they haven't paid the bill nor will they. Now that takes BALLS to do that.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 18:25
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Imagine how our 2nd Infantry guys stationed on the border with North Korea must be feeling now, with our President, their Commander in Chief, "in love" with the murderous freak who runs that starving bastion of not-exactly-Communism they have to face down every day.
Quite content because the rhetoric of McCain and the other war mongerers has been toned down, South Koreans happy because people are talking and less of war.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Recent piece in Atlantic by Graeme Wood on Bolton paints in interesting picture of how that gent likes to operate. He seems to be aiming to be "the one voice that whispers in the ear and is listened to." (The last three words are the very hard part). Granted, Wood is NO Fan of Bolton. Not. At. All. Objective reporting? Not.
The game changes all the time, just as a chess board changes with each move. Nothing is static. For sure, the "axis of evil" line must have come across as "uh, what?" from their PoV, particularly as Bill Clinton tried to thaw things in the 98-00 time frame.

@k3k3: I spent a lot of time trying to pick up Brit and Aussie slang over the years as I worked with both. Mixed success on my part
Bolton will be sidelined if Trump is relected. Trump is fully aware he is a full blown warmongerer but better having him inside under control than plotting outside it.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 00:52
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Even NPR today had to agree that "GDP growth is the single best indicator of a strong economy" while reluctantly reporting that US GDP growth in the first quarter of 2019 exceeded all predictions.

Damn, Trump is just f'ing up everything. Impeach him.

Oh wait, credit for that growth belongs to the previous administration.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 03:04
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OB, is this (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/26/71715...trong-spending) the article you cite? Its tone is reluctant; you can tell that. Interesting ....

The rate cited is 3.2%. At the time Nixon caused Watergate to occur the rate was 5.2%, 60% more. Now, Nixon ended up grasping at every straw he could think of, but he never bothered to tell us, nor did many of his followers, that he should have been allowed to get away with his bad behavior simply because our economy was doing well. So there is that ....

Let me reluctantly think this one over for about the same interval of time it takes for a driver in New York City to toot his horn from behind you when the traffic light turns green.

Okay, I did that, and I got it!

Yes, it's that man again: Hitler! The German economy did much, much better under Hitler and the Nazis in the Thirties than it had done for most of the time under the Weimar Republic, the preceding period of democratic rule. (In the Forties, umm, not so much, but never mind that now!) So if we wanted to focus on one thing, economic performance, to ignore some other stuff that most people can agree that he got wrong, well, "Good job there, Adolf!" (Why do they keep picking on him? Some of his followers were very fine people, plus he loved his dog. Well aside from killing her with cyanide, of course; there is that .... What is the problem with Hitler?)

OB, I think you might want to look past the first quarter number for GDP growth as reported, reluctantly or not, by NPR, to focus on what is in the Mueller Report. Is there anything in it about GDP growth? (You have read it, I assume, when I have not.) "Probably not," is my guess. Why was this important thing ignored, to focus on other things completely unrelated to our economy? Perhaps for the same reason GDP growth never came up during the Watergate Hearings, right?

If we were not happy to have a crook producing good GDP growth then, why should we be happy for a bum to be producing less-good GDP growth now?

Nixon was charged by the House with obstruction of justice. I think that even OB can find this same thing coming up now as something that Trump might well also have done. GDP growth does not come into obstruction of justice.

How a about a dog, OB? Would that fix things, Trump getting a little black and white dog that Eric could name "Checkers"? He could make a speech about that to the nation, show us that he's just as big a dog-lover as Nixon. (Not up to the standard of Hitler, for the most part, but then Adolf was the man to beat as a dog-lover.) Doing that probably would fix all that is wrong with Trump for you, but not for me. When it comes to Trump you are just a big softy, and you are not alone in being that way. I do not think that does you credit, but then I am not a migrant.

Someone should pass this along to Donald. It might need some more work but Kellyanne can do that:

"One other thing I probably should tell you because if we don't they'll probably be saying this about me too, I did get something—a gift—after the election. A man down in Texas heard Melania on the radio mention the fact that one of our youngsters would like to have a dog. And, believe it or not, the day before we left on this golfing trip we got a message from Union Station here in Washington saying they had a package for us. We went down to get it. You know what it was?

"It was a little cocker spaniel dog in a crate that he'd sent all the way from Texas. Black and white spotted. And our little boy—Eric, the 35-year-old—named it Checkers. And you know, that kid, like all kids, loves the dog and I just want to say this right now, that regardless of what they say about it, we're gonna keep it."

By the way, I keep getting this message: "This message is hidden because racedo is on your ignore list." I wonder what it means ....

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 03:38
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Somehow, Chuks, I just knew you would be along soon with nine paragraphs of irrelevancy to try to portray good results as the worst thing possible. No, I didn't read your article--it's hard enough just listening to NPR on the, well, radio.

But please, stop with the Hitler sh!t. Perhaps your obsession with all things German has you taking on some of that collective guilt, but it is time to realize that the horrors of that time are not connected to every single event that you disagree with.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 05:24
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More on Iran

@Lonewolf That was certainly an interesting article on Bolton. He is a very determined man to say the least.

This is from The New Yorker as of yesterday. Good discussion of the B Team members and the pressure they might exert on Trump. It seems that the U.S. is trying to tighten the screws pretty far down if it is going to try to prevent all oil exports. That is almost begging for a confrontation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...n-against-iran
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 09:28
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It is called "History." Go look it up!

OB, there are many, many parallels with the unfortunate history of German democracy under the Weimar Republic and what is happening right under your nose now with Trump and his very fine people, not that you want to see it even if you happen to know about it. Hence my continual digging up of poor old, misunderstood Adolf, whether you like it or not.

For just one thing, it was not all grim, unrelieved suffering under Hitler. My region, a farming region, was solidly behind the man because the Nazis supported agriculture. (Jews, for historical reasons, were not so much into farming; their persecution was not a local issue for the most part.) Sure, people had to keep their heads down, along with producing a family tree that showed, back three generations, that there were no Yids in it, but for the most part, things went better with Hitler than without, up to a point.

Even Mr. Migrant, OB, here ... do you see him shedding any tears over that photo that just won a big prize? This one: https://www.google.com/search?q=imag...hgIoW4saYpAHM:

Me neither, to be fair. That was from somewhere out on the border with Mexico, someplace a long way off, almost in another country, the sort of image you expect to get from the Middle East or perhaps Africa. Just turn the page to see what's on sale down at Kroger's, or Aldi.

Some people seem to think that German democracy died like a tree struck by lightning. No, it was just chipped away at first, bit by bit, sometimes by law, sometimes just by practice, merely by doing something wrong, not just without any penalties for that but by rewarding wrong-doing. Here and now, please try to guess if Jefferson Beauregard Sessions might still be our Attorney General or not if he had merely done Trump's bidding when asked to un-recuse himself (wrongly and in legal terms nonsensically) to deal with Mueller.

I am not saying that Trump is a Hitler; he definitely is another third-rate example of humanity, but Trump is just bad, not downright evil. Well, give him time ... he might get there in the end, just as he finally did make it to Vietnam, just 50 years too late. Trump has gone pretty deep into badness, and some of us (libtards) even think that separating hundreds or perhaps thousands (nobody kept count) of small children from their parents might even be more evil than merely bad.

How about the way I keep referring back to Watergate? You Trump-lovers seem to be okay with that. At least I do not hear any moans from you. Is it that you accept the parallels with Watergate, somehow dimly understanding that Trump has done, still is doing, wrongs somewhat on the order of those done by Nixon, particularly obstruction of justice? Then there is abuse of power, another thing they wanted to try Nixon for, when Trump clearly also is abusing the power of his presidency.

I understand that many of us here have only a very dim grasp of what really is happening, so that it must be troublesome to try to put stuff you hardly understand in the first place into historical context with stuff you probably know SFA about.

Sorry, Trumplings, but you are not my target audience, more just a backstop for my ramblings on all things Trump. You like to view things as if through a knothole in a wooden fence, where I prefer to use a stepladder. Then's just "Look at smarty-pants there, on his stepladder! Who does he think he is, talking about events that happened less than a century ago as if they still matter?" Yeah, well, this is Jet Blast; rancor generates views; there is no other topic than Trump and Trumpism that is more rancorous for now, I hold; and numbers do not lie.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 11:35
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 12:18
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@Lonewolf That was certainly an interesting article on Bolton. He is a very determined man to say the least.

This is from The New Yorker as of yesterday. Good discussion of the B Team members and the pressure they might exert on Trump. It seems that the U.S. is trying to tighten the screws pretty far down if it is going to try to prevent all oil exports. That is almost begging for a confrontation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...n-against-iran
Turkey and China will take the exports and nothing US can do about that.

Longer term it is self defeating as blocking Suez to Oil exports from Iran to Syria just sends a message to many countries that perhaps the overland trade as part of China Silk Road project isn't such a bad idea.

Bolton is a Chickenhawk and will always remain so.
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Even NPR today had to agree that "GDP growth is the single best indicator of a strong economy" while reluctantly reporting that US GDP growth in the first quarter of 2019 exceeded all predictions.

Damn, Trump is just f'ing up everything. Impeach him.

Oh wait, credit for that growth belongs to the previous administration.
Credit for that growth in 2019 doesn't see very viable as belonging to the Obama era, but looking at 2017 growth of 4.49% from that of 2016 growth of 3.40% it would seem more viable.
One quarter doesn't tell the story very well, Example:
2018 Quarterly Growth
Mar. 2.2%
Jun. 4.2%
Sep. 3.4%
Dec. 2.2%

I don’t think obg's personal characterization adds any value to the NPR reporting of the GDP or his impeachment sarcasm, but it does parallel Trump’s usual styles. Here is the whole story:

The US economy grew by an annualized 3.2 percent in the first quarter of 2019, easily beating market expectations of 2 percent and following a 2.2 percent expansion in the previous three-month period.
Positive contributions came from personal consumption expenditures (0.82 percentage points), private inventory investment (0.65 percentage points), exports (0.45 percentage points), state and local government spending (0.41 percentage points), and nonresidential fixed investment (0.38 percentage points). Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, decreased, posting a positive contribution of 0.58 percentage points. These contributions were partly offset by a decrease in residential investment (-0.11 percentage points).

Future forecast unless Trump's policies change:
US GDP growth will slow to 2.1% in 2019 from 3% in 2018. It will be 1.9% in 2020 and 1.8% in 2021. That's according to the most recent forecast released at the Federal Open Market Committee meeting on March 21, 2019. The projected slowdown in 2019 and beyond is a side effect of the trade war, a key component of Trump's economic policies.

You can see why Trump is scrambling to solve the trade dispute with China before the 2020 election.
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