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Old 30th Jan 2019, 19:29
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“Was there ever a totalitarian regime that did not claim they had to do their evil things to their own people because some outside group/country/race was causing all the trouble?”

It is rather common isn’t it? Authoritarian governments love to coerce people by constantly reminding them of largely manufactured external threats that are just ready to pounce. Communism or terrorism or Muslims or an angry mob of caravaners at the border for example.

But equally importantly the paranoia regarding external threats is justified. There have been several attempts to assassinate Maduro and his predecessor along with 2 coup attempts against Chavez that clearly had US fingerprints on them.

A quick study of history would indicate that if you are an independent nation in the America’s and your leader claims that America is covertly subverting your political system or funding opposition parties or downright channeling weapons, money and training to opposition guerrilla forces, chances are they are correct.

Cuba, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Bolivia, Colombia and lets throw in Granada as well. And that’s just on one continent!!!!!

“But you, Oicur, are lining up to keep the dictator in power, contrary to Venezuelan laws.”

No, I am “lining up” to suggest that Washington should keep its mitts off Venezuela. If the west were really interested in human rights our TV screens would be displaying images from Yemen instead and if Venezuela were the largest holder of brussel sprouts on the planet instead of oil we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

"We're in conversation with major American companies now...It would make a difference if we could have American companies produce the oil in Venezuela.”

John Bolton, National Security Advisor.

“You must have been hap;py in 1933 in Germany.”

The parallels between Germany between the wars and Venezuela are non-existent.



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Old 30th Jan 2019, 19:44
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Yes, but ....

The idea that it must be the fault of the Democrats for not giving Trump what he suddenly decided that he wanted after all, after a deal had already been worked out ... where does that come from?

This wall is looking more and more like something only Trump needs, just to shore up his image with his shrinking base. Given that drugs mostly come in at legal points of entry, and that the bad guys we catch mostly are caught at airports, where is the sense in building a wall, really? Nothing of significance is going to be stopped by the sort of wall that Trump sold his base on.

This crazed babbling about how the wheel is older than the wall, Trump trying to make some point about how walls work ... who can make any sense of that one? I understand that having to listen to this crap gets the better-educated all wound up, when seeing that is fun for those Trump claims to love, the poorly-educated. On the other hand, once it is quite clear that, no, Mexico is not going to pay for this wall in any possible way, that it is going to be paid for by the American taxpayer, where is the fun going to be in that?

It might be time for the Republican Party to peel this leech, Trump, off. Yes, they are going to bleed for a while after doing that, which only serves them right for letting him run for President in the first place, but then they can struggle back to some sort of legitimacy, to again being the "Party of Lincoln." Trump loves to throw people under the bus so let's see his party throw him under the bus. It's that or else, perhaps, seeing Mueller settle Trump's hash, when the Republicans will not be able to share much credit then for getting rid of this loser.

That is what might nail Trump, being seen as the loser he really is. It's no good moaning about his dishonesty, his ignorance, his stupidity, the fact that he looks as if a rather small and furry creature is clinging to his bonce, all that sort of thing. That is because what matters to his base is that he has been seen (wrongly) as a winner. Trump's own answer to criticism is pretty much that, that he won election, and never mind how, so that he is a winner, that he has always been a winner.

I like opera, and one of my favorites is Tosca. The second act ends with the heroine, Tosca, going medieval on Baron Scarpia when he tries a Trump on her. As he's dying from a knife straight to his breast she mocks him with "And killed by a woman." Once he's dead she says "All Rome trembled before him." Then she lays him out, a crucifix upon his breast, flanked by two candles, since she is a good Catholic.

Tosca is art, of course, good winning over evil, up to a point (spoiler alert: everybody dies), but who is to say that life does not imitate art sometimes, just a little bit?

Scarpia was a total bastard who got his way almost always, but when he messed with Tosca he finally met his match. Perhaps this time Nancy Pelosi badly wounded the image of Donald Trump the winner, when that is about all that matters about Donald Trump to Donald Trump and to his base.

Stick him again, Nancy; there's a thick layer of blubber to get through!

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Old 30th Jan 2019, 19:57
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Au contraire, Chuks. Trump should just keep doing what he does. The peeling off should be the GOP congress that can't seem to find ts way out of a burning paper bag of dogshite.

But here's one just for you, Chuks. As regards health care, I findmyself in complete agreement with that odious POS Kamala Harris!
Medicare for all, close down the private insurance companies, get rid of the overblown administrative salaries, and bring Big Pharm back to reality. Doctors will be happier. Patients will be happier. I couldnt care less about the other leaches in the health care business.

No, it wont happen. But still...
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Au contraire, Chuks. Trump should just keep doing what he does. The peeling off should be the GOP congress that can't seem to find ts way out of a burning paper bag of dogshite.

But here's one just for you, Chuks. As regards health care, I findmyself in complete agreement with that odious POS Kamala Harris!
Medicare for all, close down the private insurance companies, get rid of the overblown administrative salaries, and bring Big Pharm back to reality. Doctors will be happier. Patients will be happier. I couldnt care less about the other leaches in the health care business.

No, it wont happen. But still...
Once the overblown salaries are gone the waiting for appointments and procedures to be confirmed should stretch out to months
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 20:21
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Au contraire, Chuks. Trump should just keep doing what he does. The peeling off should be the GOP congress that can't seem to find ts way out of a burning paper bag of dogshite.

But here's one just for you, Chuks. As regards health care, I findmyself in complete agreement with that odious POS Kamala Harris!
Medicare for all, close down the private insurance companies, get rid of the overblown administrative salaries, and bring Big Pharm back to reality. Doctors will be happier. Patients will be happier. I couldnt care less about the other leaches in the health care business.

No, it wont happen. But still...
Can’t get onboard that train. I’m very happy with Kaiser, they’ve been very attentive to my needs.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
But here's one just for you, Chuks. As regards health care, I findmyself in complete agreement with that odious POS Kamala Harris!
Medicare for all, close down the private insurance companies, get rid of the overblown administrative salaries, and bring Big Pharm back to reality. Doctors will be happier. Patients will be happier. I couldnt care less about the other leaches in the health care business.
+1- although like WC, Kaiser P. has been "ver' ver' good to me-eee!"

However, regarding Pelosi and the House, they passed a spending bill (7 of them, in fact). Which went to the Senate where McConnell and the GOP stonewalled them, first by refusing to consider them at all, and then with a series of votes (as is their right). It was not, of course, Trump's preferred bill - but I seem to recall that it is not Congress's job to kowtow to the President's desires. Checks and balances.

"The House of Representatives first voted on Thursday (Jan. 3, 2019) to approve a stopgap spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security that would not allocate any new wall funding, in a rebuke to the President. The bill passed by 239-192, with five Republicans joining Democrats. Shortly afterward, the House voted to approve a legislative package made up of six full-year spending bills to reopen other shuttered parts of the federal government."

Trump will get another spending bill by Feb. 13. If he chooses to veto it, that's not Congress's fault.

Meanwhile, the fact that the intel chiefs refuse to join in Trump's fantasy-world now seems to have him bucking for a Section 8 (Mentally unfit to serve). I kinda see his point. Better to be taken out of the White House in a strait-jacket than an orange perp-suit.


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Old 30th Jan 2019, 21:58
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+1- although like WC, Kaiser P. has been "ver' ver' good to me-eee!"
I swear I heard Sgt Schultz in the background as I read that.

To raise the bar for someone who doesn’t have or is under insured, I shouldn’t have to lower the bar on my program to match. This up until the firestorm today was Sen Harris’s plan.

My wife had a choice of employers when we moved here, one of the reasons she went with school district she did was the health benefits were head and shoulders above others, somewhat at the expense of pay. It was a trade off we were willing to accept and has paid off in the long term. I like my Doctor, so I want to keep my Doctor (sounds familiar huh?). Any far left plan that impacts that isn’t acceptable to me and to many others I’d suspect.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 22:07
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For those who didn't get pattern's reference:

SNL 8Dec78

Chico Escuela, from the Dominican Republic, (Garrett Morris) was in the Weekend Update segment with Jane Curtin, who announced that he had been hired as the Weekend Update sports commentator. After being introduced by Jane (this time as a former New York Mets ballplayer),
Chico says:
“Thank you. Thank you, berry, berry much. Baseball been berry, berry good to me. Thank you, Hane.
[A photo of major league player Pete Rose, who had recently signed a four year, 3.2 million dollar deal with the Philadelphia Phillies, appears behind Chico.]
Pete-ee Rose...Baseball been berry, berry good to Pete Rose. Three-point-two-million-dollar para Pete Rose. Charlie Hustle, you bet. Thank you berry, berry much.
In foot-ball... I don’t know football. In Dominican Republic, football is — how you say, Hane? Um, Oh! Soccer! Your football... I don’t know.
In National Hockey League... I don’t know hockey.
In baseball… Baseball been berry, berry good to me! Thank you berry much. Thank you. Thank you berry much. Hane? Thank you, Hane.”
Hearing Chico’s fact-challenged report, Jane responds sarcastically: “Great job, Chico. I’m glad that we haven’t hired just another stupid ex-jock sportscaster.”
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 22:30
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
“The Americans don't need to lift a finger” The Americans have had their grubby paws in Venezuela for decades trying to guide things in a direction to suit western interests. Money and oil.
You are talking out your backside again. It isn't "western interests" who have been siphoning off the profits of the state oil company of Venezuela for the past two decades. Sorry, sport, my Citgo contacts know things, you don't. Quit tilting at windmills.
Also, check the hemisphere: Venezuela, Western Hemisphere.
Self inflicted wound by idiots sitting on top of, as you noted, one of the largest reserves around. They failed to reinvest in the capital intensive infrastructure needed to keep their domestic production up. They have eaten their seed corn. (or siphoned it to off shore accounts somewhere ...)
They are not the first to make such a mistake, and likely won't be the last.
One thing I tip my cap to the Saudis for: how hard they are trying to diversify since they know that one day the well will eventually run dry, or the demand will reduce.
(As for technical details, my refinery contacts advise me that Venezuelan crude takes a few unique tricks to get the most out of, but once learned it works. As I am not a refinery hand, I'll accept them at their word).

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Old 30th Jan 2019, 22:59
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Jeez, you guys with the health care! It reminds me of meeting an old school friend in New York City who was living in a ratty apartment in downtown Manhattan, but it was under rent control!

It was freaking grotesque. I knew her as a young high school girl, a classmate, and here we were 20 years later having dinner uptown, when she mentioned that her boyfriend had been a carrier pilot in the Navy. I said that I would like to meet him, talk about that, that my father had been a pilot in the Navy too. She called and he was home, downtown in their apartment, so off we went.

We went in this city bus that had a weird, shiny finish inside it, as if it had been sprayed down with mineral oil, all over. She saw me gawking at this, and explained "anti-graffiti paint," something new.

When I met the boyfriend, a guy about my age, late thirties, I asked him when he served. "Vietnam era," yes.

"Okay, so what did you fly, with what squadron, off what ship?" Not trying to do anything there but get the usual ....

"I flew jets off carriers."

"Sure, but F-4s, or A-4s, or what? Were you Yankee Station or Dixie Station?"

The guy was a complete Walt, seemingly unable to give any details beyond that he flew "jets off carriers." The thing was, though, straight guys in Manhattan were hard to find; my friend probably took him at face value as having been a Navy carrier pilot in the Vietnam War; and she probably needed him to help pay the rent, too.

I decided to let my friend keep her boyfriend, the guy who "flew jets off carriers." I drank my drink, made my farewells, and got on the next train to Westport. So much for living in the Big Apple!
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 02:10
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Venezuelan crude takes a few unique tricks to get the most out of
Venezuelan crude is a heavy oil, rather than the refinery preferred sweet. But they now have other problems with the quality of their oil, see,

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...Venezuela.html
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 06:13
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Once the overblown salaries are gone the waiting for appointments and procedures to be confirmed should stretch out to months
So your complaint is that ince the riffraff has access to what you have, you'll have to wait longer. Great.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:42
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A cute little unintended consequence..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...tdown/10766666

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post

So your complaint is that ince the riffraff has access to what you have, you'll have to wait longer. Great.
What complaint?

I'm simply stating the realization for others, "that you get what you pay for" If you can afford more you get more, but the money pit is not bottomless.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
A cute little unintended consequence..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...tdown/10766666
Trump ensures seals have a safe location to give birth.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:19
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“It isn't "western interests" who have been siphoning off the profits of the state oil company of Venezuela for the past two decades.”

Corruption within the government of Venezuela? Lack of spending on oil infrastructure?

Surely not. Next you will be telling me there is drinking going on within this establishment!

Of course there is corruption and infrastructure problems that are impacting the economy of Venezuaela. Such issues have been at play for many many decades.

But the serious damage is being done by the very specific and targeted economic sabotage being conducted from DC and London that ramped up under the Obama Administration.

What do you think has changed that now provides the impetus for this sabotage? Spoiler alert, it has to do with bitcoin, petrodollars, Russia and China.

Not human rights or democracy concerns.

Western world, when used to discuss geopolitics refers to the develped world and has nothing to do with geography.

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 20:20
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Why not use Franz Fanon's now-accepted, but somewhat dated terminology? (You can find it in his book The Wretched of the Earth.)

First World - The USA, Canada, the European Union, etc. These are the developed, capitalist democracies.

Second World - The former Soviet Union and the rest of the communist-ruled European countries. (This classification is somewhat dated, I think.)

Third World - The developing countries of Africa, Asia, and Latin America. one of which is Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develo..._Monetary_Fund
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 20:31
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Why not use Franz Fanon's now-accepted, but somewhat dated terminology? (You can find it in his book The Wretched of the Earth.)

First World - The USA, Canada, the European Union, etc. These are the developed, capitalist democracies.

Second World - The former Soviet Union and the rest of the communist-ruled European countries. (This classification is somewhat dated, I think.)

Third World - The developing countries of Africa, Asia, and Latin America. one of which is Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develo..._Monetary_Fund
Don’t feed his paranoia Chuks.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 21:08
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On my way home from Vietnam I visited an anti-war demo in Berkeley, still wearing my fatigues. Some college kid saw me taking pictures and asked me what I was doing. Of course I told him that the Army had sent me to keep an eye on things.

It really is surprising, how much the US government does know about the Third World. We used charts from the Defense Mapping Agency for navigation in the Third World, when they had a pretty good level of detail.

In fact, West Coast, I think I found Mr. Oicur's house on one of these new large-scale satellite images. (I used to work for the Army Security Agency, so that every so often someone sends me something that must have fallen out of a van hauling classified material.) What does "Target of Opportunity" mean, anyway?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 22:09
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On my way home from Vietnam I visited an anti-war demo in Berkeley, still wearing my fatigues. Some college kid saw me taking pictures and asked me what I was doing.
I didn’t know Forrest Gump was based on a true story.
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