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Old 10th Jan 2019, 02:08
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Trump is attacking a problem that needs attacking with fresh thought since nothing else has worked (eroded enforcement)

He brings the thought and the Dems bring the Nyet

At this point no compromise, but the problem remains along with the violations of our immigration laws.

Something has to give. I give it less than a week

How it will end is a toss up but it will be a historic fight between branches of Gov.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 02:29
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
In constant dollars, no such thing.

In 1970 the average real wage adjusted for CPI was about 170% of the real wage in 1947. In 1980 the real wage had declined to about 162% of the 1947 wage. 8-point decline, not gain.

The average real wage peaked at about 173% of 1947 in 1973, whereupon the Arab Oil Embargo (among other things) crashed it. An 11-point decline over 7 years.

Using the "GDP deflator" rather than the CPI, thing are slightly better - real wages were flat in the 1970s.

https://aneconomicsense.org/2015/02/...imate-factors/

Your point was.....?
It wasnít a point, it was a question. I wonít pretend to lay claim to being an economics guru, but I do know that metrics are frequently intertwined. Rarely is there a vacuum in which one metric moves minus influence from another. Iím simply curious if 012 is aware of why there was reasonable income growth in the period he stated.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 02:34
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
WC, go argue with our National Archives, once they re-open. They call it the "Day of Infamy" Speech.

I had a date that will live in infamy once, but no Japanese were involved, just a few White Russians.
Take a listen for yourself.
"A Date Which Will Live in Infamy": FDR Asks for a Declaration of War

Perhaps when they return to work you might inform them that they along with yourself were wrong.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 03:25
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post

It wasn’t a point, it was a question.

Roger that. Anyway, since there was no real wage growth post-1973, the question is somewhat moot.

What happened was more along the lines of: 2) the aforementioned Oil Shock, which followed 1) the 1971 "Nixon Shock" which imposed wage-and-price controls and took us further off the gold standard (ended convertability of cash $$ into gold) and also more or less took down the Bretton Woods currency agreement, which had strongly favored the U.S economy since WW2, but was starting to make the US$ too strong and US goods non-competitive. (Vietnam costs and the Fed were also fueling inflation).

That was the era of Nixon's famous comment "I am now a Keynesian in economics," which drove his fiscal-conservative GOP colleagues nuts.

The late 1970s were bad for all levels of income. It was 1980 when "Reaganomics" (deregulation, union-busting, tax changes and deficits) really kicked off the divergence of "real income" downwards or flat for most people, while GDP and higher incomes took off for the sky. (See previous linked article and graph).
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 03:48
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Tic-tacs ....

From the online edition of the Financial Times, found in an article about this latest failed meeting: Kevin McCarthy, the House minority leader, said that it was Mr Schumer who had raised his voice — not Mr Trump. “He brought a little candy out for everybody,” Mr McCarthy said of the president.

Well, as negotiating tactics go, that might have worked ... with children. I guess we need to know what sort of candy it was if we want to settle this question about the the tactics of the man who knows the art of the deal best. Did he hand out individually wrapped pieces to all present, one by one, "And here's one for Nancy, and one for Chuck, and ... " or did he just tip a big jar of left-over jellybeans from the Reagan era out onto the table, triggering a free-for-all?
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 03:51
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or did he just tip a big jar of left-over jellybeans from the Reagan era out onto the table, triggering a free-for-all?
Given that they are dealing with a problem that Reagan kicked down the road, amnesty, in about 86 maybe they should all have been served jelly beans: stuffed up their arses.
The Constitution, Article IV, Section 4, has been ignored by the White House in all administrations ever since that gutless move by Reagan.
Why?
Pick an excuse.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 10:20
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That romaine lettuce contamination thing, out of California, that made 60-70 people sick - around 35 required hospitals, has been declared over.

The Food & Drug Administration also announced that food inspections have ceased due to the government shutdown.

Coast Guard staff have been given tiding over tip sheets.
Have garage sales...
Consider becoming a dog walker or mystery shopper.....
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 17:18
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
That romaine lettuce contamination thing, out of California, that made 60-70 people sick - around 35 required hospitals, has been declared over. The Food & Drug Administration also announced that food inspections have ceased due to the government shutdown.
In the past 10 years, we have had now and again vegetable contamination things crop up even with the government not shut down. Your cause and effect does not fit. That said, canceling food inspections from the FDA, that does not sound like a good thing. (how the hell are they not "essential personnel" ...)
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 17:58
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No golfing for Trump in Davos.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 18:07
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In the past 10 years, we have had now and again vegetable contamination things crop up even with the government not shut down. Your cause and effect does not fit.
Sure, no one's perfect. Bad product (and it's all the food groups, not only veg) can slip through in the best of times.
Now however, it can all slide through.
People can die.
There are mistakes and there are the shadier, border-line operators. The shady side will see this as an opportunity.

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Old 10th Jan 2019, 20:44
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Well, well, well. It looks as if Mr. Cohen, in an earnest attempt to be a good citizen, is going to accept Congress' invitation to have a chat. I am sure that the usual topics will be covered--the arts, sciences, sports, and leisure as well as a mention or two of Mr. Trump.

I can imagine that ALB is blowing a head gasket at this very moment as she gens up yet another chapter in the slur campaign. Interesting that the right always uses terms for the left such as "apoplectic," but I think in this case it will be Mr. Trump, the ALB, and the Fox organization that will be, as P. G. Wodehouse always described it, popping a collar stud.

Will it be similar to that scene from the Godfather part II in which they trot in the brother of one of the witnesses as a warning to keep mum? Will Michael Corleone be in the chamber to play the heavy? Or will the Trump and Murdoch families look for some other method of "persuasion?"

If I were Mr. Cohen I would request a bolt hole with 24 hour protection--or is he in Chokey already?

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Old 11th Jan 2019, 00:09
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Yep. The only question is, will Michael Cohen appear more as a "John Dean," or as a "Joe Valachi?" (Valachi still had a $100,000 contract out on him when he died in prison of a heart attack.)
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 04:47
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One side of a triangle?

Interesting names Pattern. I had to repair to Wikipedia to skull up on who these gentlemen were. Perhaps Mr. Cohen is the remaining interior 60 degrees in the equalateral triangle those two men started to form. They all three fit, rather nicely it must be said, into the drama of appearing before Congress with revelatory information. A unique trio.

I read that Mr. Cummings must tread carefully however, lest he impinge on the work being doing by Mr. Mueller. I hope they do not overreach.

I expect to hear all the way to our beloved hamlets, on the eastern fetch of the Atlantic, the wailing and gnashing of teeth by Mr. Trump's sycophants.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 09:02
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Humpty Trumpy wanted a wall
Humpty Trumpy had a great fall.
Federal workers and federal men
Couldn't give a sh!t, but they all had scrambled eggs for breakfast.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 12:22
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
In the past 10 years, we have had now and again vegetable contamination things crop up even with the government not shut down. Your cause and effect does not fit. That said, canceling food inspections from the FDA, that does not sound like a good thing. (how the hell are they not "essential personnel" ...)
Seems the Dept of Agriculture is still doing food inspections during the shutdown. Can't find the data but I think the DoA does a larger percentage of all food inspections than the FDA. Much ado about nothing. See this:

“USDA activities that are continuing in the short-term include:”

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ma...tions-shutdown


“So far, less than half a percent of annual food inspections have been interrupted.”

“So only a small fraction of our food supply gets inspected for safety by regulators before it hits store shelves. That was true before the shutdown. And while the partial closure of the government has certainly not helped matters, it’s by no means a new public health emergency. “

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/181759...nspections-fda

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Old 11th Jan 2019, 15:24
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The shutdown has only ever involved about 25% of the Federal workforce - the "nonessentials."

Of note however, that includes most of the Internal Revenue Service, just as "tax time" begins. Since we in the U.S. mostly "pay as we go" and then perhaps get a refund, that means the Gov. gets to keep our money longer as return-processing lags. Ah, the contradictions of conservatism!

And - about 70-80% of those laid-off tax people reside and work in "Trump" States - Texas, Kentucky, Missouri and oh-so-conservative Utah. (The Washington, DC headquarters doesn't actually handle tax returns).
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 17:42
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Jeez......Don't let Trump know that.

"Nonessentials"?
"That means unnecessary right?
I'll lay them all off and pay for the force-field on the southern border with the saved $$$."
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 22:34
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Depends - would you want to fly an aircraft full-time with only the "essential bus" operating?

Trump is just "making friends and influencing people" like nobody's business in Texas. The Wall, it turns out, will require an additional government land grab (eminent domain) through ranches that abut the border, separating some ranchers from grazing areas.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 22:41
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The essential bus connection is an apt one. Now I know why, so many times I see the face of El Trumpo, a man whom I much admire, I am reminded of late night winter diversions with only a hot battery bus.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 10:59
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Just an observation from across the pond; we see the flow of immigrants across the US border with Mexico reducing, and it occurs to me that Mr Trump is achieving his objective of reducing it to nil simply by making the USA more and more unattractive, even to the poverty-stricken masses in the rest of the Americas (OK, exclude Canada from that, probably). So any need there might have been for his Great Wall of Trump is disappearing fast.

Oh by the way, over here we got almost as much amusement out of the Donald's re-writing the promises about Mexico paying for the Wall as you did. Please keep the comedy coming, we badly need something to help us forget the depressing antics of the bunches of clowns now running most of Europe, especially the UK.
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