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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
"What a disgusting bunch."

Exactly what has to happen before decent conservative
folk start saying this about Trump and his entourage?

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We have plenty of disgusting politicians, Mac, including the majority of those at the top since the late Bush moved out. Oddly, the liberal folks have been much better at tolerating sleaze and graft.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 07:48
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"Oddly, the liberal folks have been much better at tolerating sleaze and graft."

No excuse (as you well know), sorry 'bout that.

Question remains.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 09:39
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Out of the loop.

I just returned from an excursion to Oman, the Sultanate of ... , ruled by a guy who has been described with a straight face as a "democrat." Uh, yeah, an absolute ruler, albeit a progressive one who does not have dissidents dismembered, just disappeared.

First impressions count, but so do last ones, when I was most impressed by what was on offer at Seeb Airport in W.H. Smith's, on my way out after a twelve-day visit. That would be no, zero, newspapers at all, a continuation of what I had found throughout my visit. There were these local papers which usually featured "His Majesty sends greetings to the president of Guatemala on the occasion of ... " and "The wit and wisdom of Sultan Qaboos," but little of substance about the rising levels of debt and the dropping levels of income from oil, oil which now makes up about 80% of Omani income, up by about 20% from previous levels despite attempts to benefit from tourism. It made a change from a diet of lies from my own ruler, but silence is not exactly reassuring as an alternative.

Back to Topic A: As I was watching the pervasive coverage of the death of a 94 year-old man, George H. W. Bush, along with much over-praise, my thoughts and prayers went out to Donald Trump, stuck at some stupid conference in Argentina, when every free moment probably had him scanning the news for mention of wonderful himself. Instead there was everyone talking about a guy who signed up to go to war at 18, taking that for some sort of class. Poor old Donald, forced this time NOT to tell us that he likes war heroes who were not shot down.

Every word of praise for someone not himself must be like a drop of acid on the top of his carefully coiffed bonce to Donald, when George H. W. was getting much praise for having been a true member of our elite: elite prep school; youngest Navy pilot in the Second World War; Harvard; self-made millionaire in Texas; high-level government service including serving as CIA Director and one term as President; notable failure to gloat over the fall of the Berlin Wall and the USSR that had caused it to be built ....

Trump had recently dumped on George H.W. for his "thousand points of light" rhetoric, merely showing that metaphor is not something he has a firm grasp of, our Donald who thinks with his gut rather than his brain, but there you are.

Could some fan of Trump please 'splain to me about those auto industry jobs in Middle America that Trump promised to preserve and even expand? What was that promise: a lie or just an alternate reality, or what? I guess my brain is not the size of Donald's, so what is going on? Help!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
"Oddly, the liberal folks have been much better at tolerating sleaze and graft."

No excuse (as you well know), sorry 'bout that.

Question remains.

Mac
Oddly (no, not really), this has become the ultimate Conservative fall back position. ‘Ultimate’ as in they have nowhere left to go. When confronted with the fact that their man is just as, if not more, guilty of committing the same sins that they have convulsed in outrage over in the past when committed by others, suddenly now two wrongs become a right. It’s a stance taken in desperation, because it completely contradicts everything we’ve been told about Trumps appeal as a candidate; ‘not a politician’, ‘drain the swamp’, ‘anti-establishment’ etc etc. That using the ‘Clinton etc did it too’ argument in defense of Trump is literally equating him with the very same people they profess to despise doesn’t seem to have dawned on them. Or it has, but it’s all they’ve got left.

I read an interesting study once on the psychology behind explaining how certain con-men are able to continue fleecing people with the same scams for years without being exposed. In summary, people (particularly men) will go to extraordinary lengths to conceal the fact that they have been duped. Men have been known to prefer financial insolvency in silence over an admission that they allowed themselves to be conned. Ego. The way we want to be perceived.

Racists, neo-nazis and intellectually challenged inbreds aside, this is where the average Trump supporter with any cognitive ability at all now finds themselves. They’ll grasp at even the most flimsy looking scrap of flotsam to avoid facing the unfaceable. Their man will, in all likelihood, be remembered as the most corrupt, dishonest, disloyal, inept, subversive, divisive President in the history of the United States, but they’ve got themselves so deep into the pot that the only option left is to go all in. Good if you’re holding pocket aces, not great if it’s deuce seven off.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 14:18
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Jetsam, not flotsam ....

Hempy, they are clinging to what they were recently happy to throw overboard, when that is jetsam, stuff that floats after having been jettisoned. I don't quite know how the Donald did it, but he got all these folks to throw everything overboard, principles and all. Now they are forced to swim for it as the Good Ship Donald seems to be going down, holed beneath the waterline by a combination of rot and some torpedoes from Mueller, hanging on to whatever they hope will keep them afloat.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 14:50
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chuks,
I don't quite know how the Donald did it, but he got all these folks to throw everything overboard, principles and all.
Major help from Fox News and Roger Ailes, Fox's founder. Ailes, according to USA Today, believed he had the power to pick presidents. He put Trump on Fox News every Monday and all the major shows with Trump giving his opinions about political or economic matters. He gave Trump political legitimacy he would never have received. Nobody else gave Trump a forum except for Howard Stern's radio show where a different kind of legitimacy was revealed.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 16:48
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Flotsam or jetsam aside, it's revealing to note that when we see this:
Racists, neo-nazis and intellectually challenged inbreds aside, this is where the average Trump supporter with any cognitive ability at all now finds themselves.
from the side that thinks we are lacking in civility, I am reassured that my continued support for the direction of the country is indeed correct.

The Lamentations of the angry Left -- How Sweet the Sound!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 19:22
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Mr. Trump certainly seems to be nervous about something. His tweet about Roger Stone has an odor of influencing a witness. But as we know laws do not, and apparently should not, apply to him.

Under normal circumstances the big house would be in his future.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 22:44
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Quote: " Exactly what has to happen before decent conservative
folk start saying this about Trump and his entourage? "

You must remember Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment : "Thou shall not speak ill of another Republican".
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 22:50
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Then let’s hope it is the breaststroke.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 23:57
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It's been said that the Trump organization is nothing more than a "Brand Licensing Business" although given the track record I've never understood the attraction, then or now.

Kind of like "Edsel".
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 17:02
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"Thou shall not speak ill of another Republican".

Trump is not worthy of being called a Republican, he's a Trumpite

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Old 4th Dec 2018, 17:07
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Slowly, ever so slowly, fellow republicans began to speak and acknowledge the truth about Nixon, his Watergate and all the ramifications.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 17:22
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Slowly, ever so slowly, fellow republicans began to speak and acknowledge the truth about Nixon, his Watergate and all the ramifications.
Do tell...
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 20:27
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Alas poor Yorick...maybe we didn't know him that well at all and he really was laundering money for the Russians. Isn't that what Shakepeare meant for Hamlet to say?
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 09:43
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Well if you're going to correct Shakespeare for technical accuracy you should also see his love-sonnet:

"Shall I compare thee to a summer's day, for thou art cold, wet and windy..."

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 20:28
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Well if you're going to correct Shakespeare for technical accuracy you should also see his love-sonnet:

"Shall I compare thee to a summer's day, for thou art cold, wet and windy..."

PDR
I hedge some doubts however, if even the Bard would deign to find the besoiled events unfolding on distant American shores worthy of his pen. Even he might not know where to start with the noisome odors emanating from Mr. Trump and his posse--a posse that seems to thin out a bit more each day as his confederates seek the safe haven of Mr. Mueller's warm legal embrace.

On the other hand, I could see him having a go at it for fun: "Oh what foul and fetid feculance bespoils our aires this day?" "What manner of a man doth emit such odours wherever he might trod?"

It seems that Mr. Flynn has now docked at that port ( not sure if that is the corecct nautical expression) and is unloading numerous cargoes of interest.

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 22:12
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Speaking of "something rotten".......the CAQI in Copenhagen was at 20 at noon today. Very Low.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 06:22
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Let's not drag Shakespeare into this. He's fundamental to English.

Trump just told us that because the air and water in America is "right now at a record clean" that disproves "climate change." Scott Free, Bowling Green Massacre survivor, might know what that means, but he's not telling, leaving the rest of us baffled when we try to fit a meaning to "at a record clean."

At a barn raising, at a pie-eating contest, at a record clean .... Back in the old days folks used to get together of a Saturday on the village green to give their Victrola records a good scrubbing to get rid of all that dust, dirt and tobacco residue. "Where's Grandpa?"

"Oh, he's probably at the record clean. His 'Sam 'n' Henry at the Fortune Tellers' has gone all crackly on him again after he sneezed snuff all over it."
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 01:55
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Hmmmm.... Is it correct in reading that from the paperwork filed on Friday afternoon late that the prosecuters believe that Mr. Trump (Individual #1) ordered Mr. Cohen to commit a crime?

Seems rather a pickle for Mr. Trump. I would expect an onslaught of tweets that while declaiming his innocence only serve to reinforce, in an astute observer's mind, his culpability.

However....all is forgiven since the stock market is doing so well and hit yet another high today. Pardon me? What is that? It is down for the year? How is that? How did Hilary frighten Wall Street?

I know. That latter is a bit unfair for the underlying U.S. economic signals are quite strong and the stock market is not the economy. Fun to poke at the Orange One though.

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