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Old 10th Nov 2018, 23:27
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
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Trump's method of paying the models off is infinitely more honourable than Edward Kennedy, for example, who just drowned them.
Especially honourable because he maintains he had nothing to do with them. I have nothing to do with him either. Maybe I can get a few 100,000 too.
There is NOTHING even close to honourable in this whole sordid affair.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 00:23
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Para,
Trump's method of paying the models off is infinitely more honourable than Edward Kennedy, for example, who just drowned them.
Like to explain your reasoning here? I don't think Edward Kennedy was in an election campaign for POTUS where a few thousand $$$s here and there could help the Trumpster avoid a loss and he succeeded. Ethics and integrity are very much on shaky ground in the US these days and down under it seems totally absent if your comment is to be believed...
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 01:26
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post

How utterly shameful they needed to do this. Can you even imagine if Obama had said something like this? Or if Obama didn't turn up at a ceremony to mark 100 years since the end of the Great War because of a bit of drizzle?

Trump and his enablers are beneath contempt.
The Republicans and Fox News blew a gasket when Obama put mustard on a hamburger and wore a tan suit. If he had stayed in a hotel rather than attend a war memorial service because of a bit of rain, we would NEVER hear the end of it.

Considering that favourite targets of the right including Justin Trudeau, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron all attended the service in the rain despite any “logistical” issues, and there’s plenty of evidence Barack Obama made public appearances in the rain, I’m really, really looking forward to seeing the mental gymnastics the Trump supporters on this site will use to justify their dear leader’s decision.

They’ve been very quiet so far but please, feel free to say why Trump’s decision was justified?
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 02:40
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feel free to say why Trump’s decision was justified?
President William Harrison died from the chills after a similar event in the rain
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 03:31
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
President William Harrison died from the chills after a similar event in the rain
We could only hope for a similar turn of events for the incumbent.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 04:49
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Fake news ....

President Harrison took ill three weeks after delivering a two-hour speech bareheaded in the rain, having ridden to his inauguration on horseback on a cold and rainy day. Given the gap of three weeks between speech and onset of illness, modern medical science generally holds that he probably died of typhoid, probably caught by drinking contaminated water.

This "most militaristic" of all our presidents (Trump, self-described, not war hero and former general Harrison) sent former Marine John Kelly in his place to visit the cemetery. https://www.google.com/search?q=imag...mao1SvpCfZZrM: There he is, bald-headed in the rain at the cemetery.

Any draft-dodgers here? I suppose so, and you would not be bothered much by the notion of sending a Marine in your place to take on some onerous task, right? Merely onerous, not even dangerous, since it's best not to take any chances with this sort of thing.

Flying a low-level mission over some tart ... Trump has shown no fear of that, so that the man is not the utter coward some of us hold him to be, and thus not beneath contempt.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 04:51
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Well it was all about the umbrellas.

Trump could never get the hang of the "open and close" mechanism. So he stayed inside. Figured the roof would work okay.

Neither could the previous anointed One, Obama, so he simply had a Marine hold his. Looks a lot more exalted that way, and an opportunity for reversal of slavery.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 04:51
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
feel free to say why Trump’s decision was justified?
A cheap but all too predictable shot. Do you actually believe he had any say in the decisions?

The helicopter Captain would have made the decision not to fly, and if you had bothered to research the procedures in France for the surface transport of people such as Presidents, you would know why road transfer was totally out of the question and beyond Trumps control.

Desperate, truly desperate!
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 05:10
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Awww, come on, we all know that the hairspray and the orange fake tan would all have run in the rain, and he would have looked like an idiot.

Or more correctly, MORE like an idiot.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 06:26
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Why "out of the question" for Trump when other heads of state managed to travel by road to other venues? Are you trying to tell us that the French do not do motorcades?

I get the fact that what looks like mere drizzle can be deadly for a low-level helo flight, but this visit should have featured a Plan B in case of the flight not being possible, one involving a motorcade.

The Battle of the Belleau Wood was a big deal in US military history, so that the sacrifice made there deserves more recognition than that accorded it by Trump. Two Marine Corps generals, one retired, one serving, managed to get to the cemetery by road, so that I don't see why Trump could not make it too.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 07:30
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Why "out of the question" for Trump when other heads of state managed to travel by road to other venues? Are you trying to tell us that the French do not do motorcades?

I get the fact that what looks like mere drizzle can be deadly for a low-level helo flight, but this visit should have featured a Plan B in case of the flight not being possible, one involving a motorcade.

The Battle of the Belleau Wood was a big deal in US military history, so that the sacrifice made there deserves more recognition than that accorded it by Trump. Two Marine Corps generals, one retired, one serving, managed to get to the cemetery by road, so that I don't see why Trump could not make it too.
Those that attended were not heads of state and therefore did not require the rigorous conditions for surface transport.
These state that all potential hazard points on the route have to be checked and manned at the time of the transport passing. These include all major road junctions, bridges, water crossings , railway passages, tunnels and anywhere a threat could exist. To do that at short notice would have been impossible and not only the US, but the French security services would have vetoed it.

When Hollande came to power he virtue signalled by chosing not to use the presidential jet, but to get down with the plebs and take the train from Paris to the summer residence in the South of France. This caused a logistical nightmare with the law requiring ever crossing to be secured, tying up thousands of Gendarmes and military personnel to ensure he arrived safely. Two helicopters with special forces on board proved top cover at all times, requiring six in all over the entire route. These rules apply for the security of all heads of state.

Oh, and the presidential jet? It flew empty to Toulon where it sat in case he needed it!

So, to sum up, please don't bother any further until you know what you are talking about. (Not that it has ever stopped you).
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 07:49
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In other words, they had not checked the weather forecast and therefore no plan B?
OK.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 07:57
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I assume that "other heads of state managed to travel by road to other venues," as I posited, sitigeltfel. You tell me.

The distance from Paris to Compiègne is about 80 kilometers, 50 miles, about one hour by road. We are not speaking here of Paris to the South of France, a much greater distance.

You might want to read what others write a bit more closely before you tell them that they don't know what they are on about. No, those two generals are not "heads of state," but then I did not state that they were. My point, one you obviously missed, is that there should have been, probably even was, a Plan B that involved a motorcade.

You tell me about this one, sitigeltfel, if you please: If Trump, wilful jerk that he is, really, really wanted to get to that cemetery, would he have got there, and hang the expense and inconvenience to others? I suppose you will take this for him sparing the French trouble, sitting on his fat arse back in Paris for four hours watching "Shark Week." (I know that is what he was doing, not that I have any facts to back up what I know.)
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 08:45
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The Secret Service makes preparations for an overseas Presidential trip months in advance. If they didn't have a Plan B for poor weather in France in November then they need to be fired. But it's been confirmed by former Presidential officials they always have a plan B:

Ben Rhodes, the deputy national security adviser under President Barack Obama, noted he helped plan Obama’s foreign travel throughout his two terms and said it was common to have a backup plan to deal with inclement weather.

“There is always a rain option. Always,”
Critics pile on after Trump cancels visit to U.S. military cemetery outside Paris, citing weather
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 09:27
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Seriously, the most powerful man in the world did not have a Plan B? The man who, to paraphrase the inimitable Major Kong, could lead the forces in toe to toe nuclear combat with the Rooskies could not sally out 80 klicks? Doesn't this diminish the stature of the man and his nation in that he must remain squirreled away in the ambassador's residence while commemorations are underway?

Mr. Rhodes is not alone in representing previous administrations in describing that there is always a plan B.

Everyone with a shred of intelligence knows what is going on here. Trump, in a fit of pique and petulance, is throwing a tantrum because of Macron's comments regarding standing up a European army. Fanboy and cult worshipping excuses in this case come across as the vapid and effete efforts that they indeed are. One might think they are being clever by telling us how things go down in The Hexagon (that's France), but they actually come across as the mutterings of a wild-eyed acolyte instead.

Quit making excuses for this man. You only look bad doing so...

This kind of tantrum wins points amongst the truest of true believers, but the rest of the world, the very thing those believers hate so very much, laughs at the childness of it all.

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 09:50
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Yup, give the man a pacifier, a medium sized one would be a perfect fit.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 10:01
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Those that attended were not heads of state and therefore did not require the rigorous conditions for surface transport.
These state that all potential hazard points on the route have to be checked and manned at the time of the transport passing. These include all major road junctions, bridges, water crossings , railway passages, tunnels and anywhere a threat could exist. To do that at short notice would have been impossible and not only the US, but the French security services would have vetoed it.

When Hollande came to power he virtue signalled by chosing not to use the presidential jet, but to get down with the plebs and take the train from Paris to the summer residence in the South of France. This caused a logistical nightmare with the law requiring ever crossing to be secured, tying up thousands of Gendarmes and military personnel to ensure he arrived safely. Two helicopters with special forces on board proved top cover at all times, requiring six in all over the entire route. These rules apply for the security of all heads of state.

Oh, and the presidential jet? It flew empty to Toulon where it sat in case he needed it!

So, to sum up, please don't bother any further until you know what you are talking about. (Not that it has ever stopped you).
So do you know exactly what happened? Do you seriously think that the Secret Service never have a plan B or even C. Do you honestly think that this trip wasn't planned months in advance with many options thought about? I think you should come back once brain is engaged.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 10:07
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Apparently it was trench foot that held him up
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 10:15
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Possibly, having once been depicted wearing cricket whites no less, he was under the impression the term "rain stopped play " was equally applicable elsewhere .....
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 10:30
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Subtle kick in the self declared Nationalist Trump's balls from Macron in his speech at the The Arc de Triomphe de l'Étoile. Sweet.
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