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Old 1st Nov 2018, 03:43
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Umm, Lonewolf, we have a Prez who can't even work an umbrella, let alone a telephone. Trump does not do high tech, so that his notion of border security literally is a long line of GIs stationed about 500 feet apart (because you will need two for each post). Did he remember to order waders for the ones on the border formed by bodies of water various?

Yes, Lonewolf, my excuse is Agent Orange. Yours, I assume, must be Texas. That will do, certainly.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 04:13
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The border forces are about optics. So, let’s all sit back and watch our military lined up at the border, nothing to do, twiddling thumbs.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 05:08
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Let's hope it's just bored GIs twiddling their thumbs!

Calling in an air strike on a group of women and children trying to "invade" the US would be double-plus ungood, I fear.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 05:09
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
You have to be pretty stupid to post that. The year is 2018. There is a lot of tech available to defend a border like that, and most of it does not involve stationing soldiers in even spaces from one end to the other.
This whole thing is political symbolism.
If there were a permissive RoE for engaging anyone crossing the border at other than the authorized and very public check points in the four border states (CA, AZ, NM, TX) then all you need is airborne assets (armed and unarmed), some artillery units, and some mobile units on the ground to cover the entire border with fires.
That would defend the border. Any second week student at the infantry officer's school in Fort Benning could give you the template on how to do that.
(PS, the Customs service has been flying P-3's and then Predators along the border for years already. The "how" of the surveillance piece is very old hat).

So no, you are being obtuse. This has bloody **** all to do with "defending a border."
This is political theater.
When someone runs out of arguments he resorts to insults. Up to now I had assumed personal insults on this website were taboo. Obviously Dear Leader has invaded even here with his rhetoric.

You haven't even understoood what I was saying. That' s ......
I'll spell it out for you: 15,000 troops plus ICE plus national guard plus plus is a ridiculous amount of manpower. You basically say they are not even needed to defend the border because there is so much tech available.
Right, so what are they supposed to be doing?

It's a political theater by Dear Leader alright. To the cost estimated at 100 to 150 million US$.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 04:58
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Forget the Marines! Send in the Coast Guard!

We have been happy enough to use extreme military force on civilians in other countries, but are we now going to do that along our southern border, on US territory?

I don't understand what is meant to happen when all our high-tech military surveillance kit picks up a group of "invaders," what the ROE (Rules of Engagement) shall be for that. Is the military supposed to just detect them, call the Border Patrol on them, and then watch them get away, perhaps?

Or is it going to be like the time that Mad Dog, flying his gunship, saw the NVA scoot across the border, home free, when he gunned them down anyway? "They think they are getting away, but we are not going to let them get away, are we?" Mad Dog broke the rules! But nobody minded that much since there was a war on then.

Donald Trump is aiming for a bit of harmless political theater but he's setting the stage for a tragedy. It is clear that he has not thought this one through.

Where is your Posse Comitatus Act now, Lonewolf? Yeah, we all know what it is and what it is supposed to do, bar the domestic use of the Army and the National Guard under normal circumstances, so why is it being ignored? Is Congress going along with Trump calling this an "invasion," some sort of national emergency?

Trump could send the Coast Guard, you know. They are not barred from acting by the Posse Comitatus Act. Someone should tell him that ....
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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 00:44
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Lonewulf,
since you loved my post about troop deployment so much because it gave you grounds to more insults (i've found out I'm not the only recipient of such),
here is something else for you:
15, 000 troops mean around 3 to 4 per man, woman and child in the caravan, recently called by Dear Leader "an invasion". He would know everything about invasions, having had five deferments from military service due to 'bone spurs'.

It seems your red MAGA hat is sending very negative waves into your brain. Maybe you should revert to your Steson
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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 05:48
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Lonewolf pointed out that 15,000 troops to "defend" the border was ridiculous overkill, even under hypothetically the most permissive RoE (ie: "If it moves you can kill it"). There is more than enough air-power to do this.

As he says, "So no, you are being obtuse." (which you are)
And, "This has bloody **** all to do with "defending a border. This is political theater." (which it is)

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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 06:35
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I've done the numbers ....

I think the ROE stipulate that each invader shall be grabbed by a minimum of three GIs and physically carried to the border with Mexico to be dumped back across it after the name has been taken:
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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 15:33
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Originally Posted by Brakes on View Post
So now Dear Leader is talking about "up to 15,000 troops"
According to Wikipedia the USA-Mexico border is 1,954 miles (3,145 kilometers) long. This translates as a soldier every 229 yards (210 meters) and is not even counting ICE and the national guard already there.
Can troops vote when deployed?.
Do you know how the military operates or are you trying not to be taken seriously?

In my day, for every Marine at the tip of the spear, there were 4 REMFs doing the mundane but necessary work of supporting that one guy. Maybe the ratios have changed since the 80 and 90s, but the logistical tail is still significant.
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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 19:54
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Umm, Lonewolf, we have a Prez who can't even work an umbrella, let alone a telephone. Trump does not do high tech, so that his notion of border security literally is a long line of GIs stationed about 500 feet apart (because you will need two for each post). Did he remember to order waders for the ones on the border formed by bodies of water various?
Trump won't order the waders (nor think of the need) but I expect that some savvy supply sergeant already did ...
The problem is that Trump thinks that a wall will make a difference. It won't unless, like the Berlin Wall, it's approaches are covered by fires as the East Germans did. I don't think he's willing to do that, so the wall is a bloody waste of time and money. As Dea Certe mentioned, it's about symbols. Nothing to do with substance.
Yes, Lonewolf, my excuse is Agent Orange. Yours, I assume, must be Texas.
Nope; you are not as smart as you think you are. Might be best to stop reading your own news clippings.
What makes me disagreeable in this thread, and the threads that it pollutes when some of you knuts drag this swill (US Politics) into threads on other topic, I spelled out earlier, so let me referesh your memory.
Ever since 2016 election result, the people who post on this thread have lost their fcuking minds. It was bad enough before that, it has spiraled into the crapper.
I am rarely inclined to post in this mess. when I am so moved, the feces being thrown around here puts me into a bad mood.
You all reap what you sow.
Or maybe, raise your game.
Oh, wait, not a hope in hell of that.
Suggest a review of some JB history.
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9565585.html

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9566549.html

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9570919.html

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9571072.html

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9572676.html

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/559612-us-politics-hamsterwheel-v2-0-a-post9573327.html

That last post was when I was still hopeful of dialogue, rather than a collection of monologues.
EDIT:
Never mind, this new forum software is fuxored. I took a bit of time to pick out permalinks to some cogent discussions from about two years ago, and I discover that the links go to random pages. Screw InternetBrands and their knuting forumfkucery.

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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 20:01
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You have to be pretty stupid to have posted that, right there.
Originally Posted by Brakes on View Post
It seems your red MAGA hat is sending very negative waves into your brain. Maybe you should revert to your Steson
So, we learn that Ron White is correct. You can't fix stupid.
Memo to Brake's On: Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they care for, or even agree with, D Trump. Don't fall into the chuksfallacy.

Happily, I believe that there is hope for you, in that you understood my post;
It's a political theater by Dear Leader alright.
Indeed, as has been this whole stupid 'wall' meme since before the election of 2016.
To the cost estimated at 100 to 150 million US$.
Roughly the cost of an F-35. I'd rather have the airplane.
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 00:27
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Ooh, cranky!

Lonewolf, okay, you are just another Trump-hater, and welcome to the club.

Now play nicely and stop trying to tell people that they are stupid. When you are being disagreeable please do not blame that on others. When I am being disagreeable that is because I like being disagreeable! Usually to people I disagree with, sure, and if that does not make sense to you, well ....

Don't make me flash my Mensa card; that never ends well. Bear in mind that I don't need to be as smart as I think I am. I just need to be smarter than a Texan. What really matters is, are we both smarter than Donald Trump? Jeez, I hope so!
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 01:38
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The orange Panda is yapping on TV about "Barack H Obama" - why should this idiot bring up Obama's name like that again? Well, Forrest Trump, stoopid is as stoopid does. And you does.
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 13:49
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
Lonewolf pointed out that 15,000 troops to "defend" the border was ridiculous overkill, even under hypothetically the most permissive RoE (ie: "If it moves you can kill it"). There is more than enough air-power to do this.

As he says, "So no, you are being obtuse." (which you are)
And, "This has bloody **** all to do with "defending a border. This is political theater." (which it is)

Mac
Lonewolf did not point out anything even close. Get your facts straight.
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 13:50
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
The orange Panda is yapping on TV about "Barack H Obama" - why should this idiot bring up Obama's name like that again?.
Well, Ascend, possibly that is because Barack H Obama has inserted himself back into election politics, giving his same old speech, and pining ffor the “good old days” of his floundering administration. Fair game, I would say.

Insulting, you say? Who used the “orange panda” term?
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
The orange Panda is yapping on TV about "Barack H Obama" - why should this idiot bring up Obama's name like that again? Well, Forrest Trump, stoopid is as stoopid does. And you does.
It's very simple. By drawing attention to Obama's middle initial he is simply reminding the mouth breathers that it is "Hussein". By reminding them, he triggers this type of visceral reaction:

"Wait a goddamed minute! Hussein you say, sure sounds like a goddamed Mooslim. Hey, didn't somebody run a campaign showing that black boy was born in Kenya? That Mr Trump wasn't it, he's a smart guy. he wouldn't lie to no white voters,so it must be true, no matter what the lyin' media says. Why's that goddam mooslim guy giving speaches supportin' the rest of those joo lovin commie bastards...etc. etc."

It used to be a dog whistle to right wingers, now it's a full blown fog horn to every bigoted moron that thinks being American means "I've got mine, so fu(k you!"

So nice job attacking Obama in the earlier reply. but let's not over look the bigoted racists that Trump truly appeals to. Not racist, but Number 1 with racists.
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 05:14
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I know such topics are of no interest to most posters on this thread, but I am watching how the reimposition of sanctions against Iran will play out. Today, 5 November, is the day that the Trump administration is ratcheting up the sanctions bite.

I say it is interesting because the U.S., from the goodness of its heart, is granting waivers to some countries such as India and China to purchase energy products. Seriously?

I know that the EU's efforts to denominate trade with Iran in a different currency are most likely stillborn, but the chutzpah is breathtaking of a supposedly free market champion telling the rest of the world with whom it can trade. No wonder countries such as Oz and India are spending so much diplomatic capital with China at the moment. There is no way that these countries will let their trading optionsm, particulary over energy, be severly impinged just because Jared Kushner, John Bolton, and Trump think they must go after Iran. Talkking about carrying coals to Newcastle!
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 07:05
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I am watching how the reimposition of sanctions against Iran will play out
Don't think most folks outside Iran's sphere of influence give one small damn.

This is a country that celebrates, heartily and with much enthusiasm, the anniversary of the invasion of the US embassy in Tehran, every single year.
They seem to want to be a pariah in this world.
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 07:50
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Don't think most folks outside Iran's sphere of influence give one small damn.
I would beg to differ. Many of the countries on the waiver list are outside Iran's sphere of direct influence and they are extremely invested, so to speak, in the issue.

I write that not as an Iranian regime accolyte to be sure. But it is remarkable the target fixation with Iran that the U.S. has irrespective of the disruptions that the Persians support across the ME. So heavily involved in this are the Americans that they come into direct contraposition with a number of countries with whom they are ostensibly courting to be in the counterweight camp to a growing China. Talk about working at cross purposes.

As I admitted, not of interest to most here but still of rather decent importance in the great shuffle.

If it is of any consolation however, I see Bolton has named three countries in Latin and South America to be some kind of troika of tyranny. Perhaps until the KSA, one of the three prime occupants on the anti-Iran bandwagon, imbroglio cools down that regime change in the climes south of the U. S. is going to be the talk of the town.

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