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Old 26th Oct 2018, 05:00
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We just spent a week in the States, spent between New Jersey just across the Hudson from Manhattan; New York City itself, Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens; and upstate New York, when we seemed to get along fine with pretty much everyone we met, including about 150 guests at a big wedding feast. (Then it probably was because both sides of the wedding were made up of liberals; there were no admirers of Donald Trump present, or if there were, then they kept that to themselves!)

I was genuinely surprised at how friendly everyone was, compared to what I took for normal about 50 years ago. I wonder if they are compensating for Trump and his clan being taken for typical New Yorkers by the rest of the country, so that they feel that they have to show that Trump is actually an aberration. Anyway, people were quite friendly and patient as we tried to figure out the mysteries of public transport, particularly. Even the security drones at the 9/11 memorial were easy-going compared to my last encounter with them five years ago.

I do not want to see the States reunited, not at all, not under Trump. As far as I am concerned this one is a knock-down, drag-out fight between Trump and his supporters, and the rest of us. (That means that we've made some pretty strange allies, all of a sudden, but if that is what it takes to beat Trump, so be it. I could not believe it when CNN (Chicken Noodle News) and that snooze-fest USA Today both stood up to be counted, now that it matters. That was heartening.)

Here in Germany people do not seem to feel at all shy about having and expressing opinions about Trump. That might be because of the way that Trump deals out warm fuzzies to Vladimir Putin, after former Chancellor Schroeder had already climbed into bed with him. Too, the way that Trump has been attacking Nato is a mortal threat to western European democracy so that the gloves are off here. The irony of Germany, a country that did monstrous things within living memory, now feeling obliged to speak up on behalf of democracy, doing that against Trump, the so-called leader of the free world ... that is deeply comical, in the classical sense of that word. But there you are ....

Get stuck in, structor. Wherever you are from, the UK at a guess, I assume that our own Donald Trump has let loose with a few slights or insults aimed your way, so feel free to share your thoughts. In fact, even if you like the guy's style, let us know about that anyway.

Horst was probably a disappointment to his parents, sure, Lonewolf. As to whether I am being lazy or not, I am working from what I know about German history from various sources, including having lived here for over 30 years. See if you can catch me trying to tell you about the history of Texas, when almost all I learned about that came from checking carefully during my visit to San Antonio to see if it was really so that the Alamo simply did not have a back door.
I know a lot of banter goes back and forth here, but do you truly think people are nicer to compensate for Trump? An alternative explanation being that things aren’t as bad as the talking heads portray it.

While you chalk up the civility to Trump, other liberals chalk up pipe bombs to him. Cake and eat it too.


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Old 26th Oct 2018, 06:29
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The last eleczion was TWO YEARS ago. Why is Trump till so obsessed about Hillary Clinton?
And why, one may ask, are the Democrats so obsessed about President Trump? He did win, after all.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 07:04
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Satire ... look it up.

With some of you guys satire flies so far over your heads that it doesn't even muss your hair. "Hitler was a better painter than Winston Churchill," true or false?

Yes, of course that part of the country that knows Donald Trump best, New York City, seemed to me mostly to have very little use for him. (That would be about like me going to Kreuzberg in Berlin for a week and returning to tell everyone here from first-hand experience that Germany is totally gay, tolerant and pro-migrant, thus dead set against the far-right AfD.) Of course if that were so country-wide then it would be a great mystery how Trump, that miserable man, ever won the US election. Where are all the Yahoos hiding then?

I am sure that if I'd gone just a bit further, to Laconia, New Hampshire, for example, then I would have found myself among people who for the most part have no real problems with our Lord of Misrule. The thing is that then I would be stuck writing some boringly nuanced bit about how the good people of Laconia must be a bit, well, deprived, something no fun at all to read that would come off a bit elitist and snobby at best, and obviously somewhat misinformed too. Instead, yes, here's your humble scribe circulating in a warm bath of anti-Trump feeling shared by folks who were almost all urbanites, people who probably never have dined off road-kill in their lives. Some were rich, some were poor, but I did not come across one swinging dick who was wearing one of those stupid red MAGA hats. I guess that would be like wearing a fox fur stole at a PETA rally.

West Coast, does one have to be a "liberal" to think that Trump's hate speech might have something to do with someone sending bombs to those he has ranted against? That seems like common sense to me, the first thing that an investigator would look into. (Your notion seems to be about like thinking that some woman with a MADD [Mothers Against Drunk Driving] sticker who got rammed by a drunk driver had to have staged the accident herself just to prove her point. Really, it is perfectly obvious that drunk driving is dangerous; nobody needs to stage an accident to make that point.) Trump has been quite happy to rev up the hate speech, starting with "Just beat the crap out of him!" and going on from there to naming the press as the enemy of the American people. He still smirks as his followers stand on their hind legs chanting "Lock her up! Lock her up!" It makes perfect sense that one of his haters should feel encouraged to turn hateful words into hateful action, doesn't it?

How about that guy who's in trouble for groping a woman on a flight? Here's the affidavit that refers to the incident: https://www.scribd.com/document/391378211/Affidavit-on-Bruce-Alexander?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=58287X1517246X07e5142 b0b30b60a6464d6b071753b54&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affili ate&medium=affiliate Although it reads like a bad joke, item 16 of this sworn affidavit states that " ... ALEXANDER [Bruce David Alexander, the accused] stated that the President of the United States says that it's okay to grab women by their private parts."

Is Bruce David Alexander a Democratic Party operative, someone who staged this incident just to discredit Trump for his boasting about grabbing women "by the pussy"? I think we should be told!

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:02
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I'm sure all the liberals in the echo chamber were just happy as clams. No one gets upset inside of their own circle-jerk. However, any kind of extension of societal interaction with people of non-liberal bent could have resulted in some serious tears, screaming fits, throwing things and other common lib behavior when they don't get things exactly their way.
Let me re-word this for you so you see the total picture, especially the half you are missing, think the Trumpster's daily circle rallies:

I'm sure all the conservatives in the echo chamber were just happy as clams. No one gets upset inside of their own circle-jerk. However, any kind of extension of societal interaction with people of liberal bent could have resulted in some serious tears, screaming fits, throwing things and other common RW behavior when thiey don't get things exactly their way.

So there is the other half of the picture you failed to paint.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:29
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
And why, one may ask, are the Democrats so obsessed about President Trump? He did win, after all.
Yes they should learn from the Republicans, that never said anything during the 8 years that Obama was president
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
ethical,

Let me re-word this for you so you see the total picture, especially the half you are missing, think the Trumpster's daily circle rallies:

I'm sure all the conservatives in the echo chamber were just happy as clams. No one gets upset inside of their own circle-jerk. However, any kind of extension of societal interaction with people of liberal bent could have resulted in some serious tears, screaming fits, throwing things and other common RW behavior when thiey don't get things exactly their way.

So there is the other half of the picture you failed to paint.
Thanks. Maybe you could find some examples like this?: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...lclearpolitics

BTW, it wasn't more than a handful of days ago that Trump sat down with 60 Min Leslie Stahl, representing 92% of US reporters who are liberal. She got schooled. Most rallies that Trump has been holding(except TX) are in states and towns populated by liberals. He is out there in DC, surrounded by the liberal infestation that is 'the beltway'. There's no escape until one gets to real America.

We've got HR members, and an ex AG from the liberal side telling their constituents to kick people when they are down. Hillary speaks up and tells us there can be no civility until the Dems are back in power. "That's why I believe if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and/or the Senate, that's when civility can start again. But until then, the only thing that the Republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength.". Every day is another angry liberal ranting and hair-pulling because they didn't get their way. There is the #walkaway movement for thousands leaving the Dems because they are disgusted with the mind control of the cult of personality on the left. Do you find the same for those on the conservative side? Got any examples?
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:33
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. West Coast, does one have to be a "liberal" to think that Trump's hate speech might have something to do with someone sending bombs to those he has ranted against? That seems like common sense to me, the first thing that an investigator would look into. (Your notion seems to be about like thinking that some woman with a MADD [Mothers Against Drunk Driving] sticker who got rammed by a drunk driver had to have staged the accident herself just to prove her point. Really, it is perfectly obvious that drunk driving is dangerous; nobody needs to stage an accident to make that point.) Trump has been quite happy to rev up the hate speech, starting with "Just beat the crap out of him!" and going on from there to naming the press as the enemy of the American people. He still smirks as his followers stand on their hind legs chanting "Lock her up! Lock her up!" It makes perfect sense that one of his haters should feel encouraged to turn hateful words into hateful action, doesn't it?
Just curious that liberals seek to blame Trump for everything, from your curiosity about why folks were polite to pipe bombs in the mail. Multi purpose boogeyman.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:47
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The fact that the attempts were against Donald Trump antagonists somehow proves it was a false flag? Who would you want a Trump supporter to attack? Trump just to prove he's not a false flag? This place is amazing. Perhaps the allies should have deliberately dropped a few bombs on their own ports in WW2 just to prove they weren't a false flag?

I admire your efforts though, you've set it up nicely so that whatever happens it cannot possibly be a Trump supporter. Heads, tails, you win. Because I've never ever seen anyone looking remotely angry and like they might cause harm at a Trump rally. I go with Ockhmas' razor, which I suspect most here would in any other circumstance and would consider people peddling their position loons.

Good to see the genuinely crazy people revealing themselves though, helps for future debate.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
Thanks. Maybe you could find some examples like this?: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/17/man_confronted_for_ripping_cruz_signs_from_yards_freaks_out_ i_hate_ted_cruz.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm _campaign=realclearpolitics

BTW, it wasn't more than a handful of days ago that Trump sat down with 60 Min Leslie Stahl, representing 92% of US reporters who are liberal. She got schooled. Most rallies that Trump has been holding(except TX) are in states and towns populated by liberals. He is out there in DC, surrounded by the liberal infestation that is 'the beltway'. There's no escape until one gets to real America.

We've got HR members, and an ex AG from the liberal side telling their constituents to kick people when they are down. Hillary speaks up and tells us there can be no civility until the Dems are back in power. "That's why I believe if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and/or the Senate, that's when civility can start again. But until then, the only thing that the Republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength.". Every day is another angry liberal ranting and hair-pulling because they didn't get their way. There is the #walkaway movement for thousands leaving the Dems because they are disgusted with the mind control of the cult of personality on the left. Do you find the same for those on the conservative side? Got any examples?
I'm from another part of the world, and I've asked this many times, but I'm still confused, what is wrong with liberals?

Especially 'west coast liberals'. I just spent a couple of weeks in California and it was one of the most wonderful places I ever visited (apologies to those who painted me as a USA hater) The level of generosity of spirit and sheer humanity was incredible. is that the problem? It seems many here like to hate a lot of stuff and Californians seemed to just want to be nice to anyone. Is that the problem? That they aren´t so fond of irrational hatred? I suggest some here adopt the Californian way of life, imagine being so carefree all the time! I suspect jealousy must play a large part..the people there are beautiful.

In fact compared to what I read on here, no-one seemed at all bothered about any of the things I'm told all Americans are so aroused by. Though I know some say California isn't America. As a compliment I presume having visited a couple of other parts. I will definitely be back.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 17:39
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Most rallies that Trump has been holding(except TX) are in states and towns populated by liberals. He is out there in DC, surrounded by the liberal infestation that is 'the beltway'.
Out of curiosity, what are your sources of information for your assertions? You don't have any liberals in TX, eh? So why did Donald go to TX to prop up lying Ted who now is "nice" Ted, Texas Ted? Surely Texas Ted has 99% of the TX vote, correct?

TX is no exception in case you are wondering. I can assure you the Trumpster's visits to the area of Ohio I reside in have only been conveniently held in conservative country, the most recent being the Warren County Fairgrounds rally. Tickets were required in advance to attend to screen out liberals. But I've read where at some places he's paid people to wait outside in line to make it appear as having a strong turnout when a strong turnout wasn't happening.

Wakeup ethical, the Trumpster is running hard for his 2020 campaign for president not for Texas Ted. The Trumpster is only about the Trumpster and he will do anything and say anything and praise anyone and trash anyone even if it is the same person to win. He and his able PR assistant Sarah use the letter D words, deny, dismiss, disavow, disregard, disclaim and deceitfulness (lying) to stay the course to 2020.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 17:55
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Not a false flag

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45996655

A 56-year-old man has been arrested in Florida in connection with a mail-bombing campaign aimed at critics of US President Donald Trump.

US officials named the man as Cesar Sayoc, saying that more arrests could follow.

Mr Trump said the acts were "despicable and have no place in our country", and promised "swift and certain justice".

Twelve items have been sent in recent days to figures including ex-President Barack Obama and actor Robert de Niro.

The latest two were found in Florida and New York City on Friday.

From a different newspaper.

Sayoc posted several photos of himself wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, and a video where he’s wearing the hat as Trump speaks at the October 2016 rally.

The images from the rally also include photos of Trump speaking and “Blacks for Trump” signs.

Memes he posted on his page include an image of Hillary Clinton - one of the bomb targets - labeled “hypocrite.” Other memes promote fringe conspiracy theories about Clinton, calling her a “serial killer” and accusing her and husband Bill Clinton of having people murdered.

There are images criticizing Islam as a “barbaric evil cult” and referring to Muslims as “paedophiles and rapists.”

There are other posts depicting refugees as terrorists, opposing gun control, and attacking former President Barack Obama, who was targeted with a bomb.

Another photo posted on the account shows a sign reading “Thank you, Lord Jesus, for President Trump.”

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Not a false flag

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45996655

A 56-year-old man has been arrested in Florida in connection with a mail-bombing campaign aimed at critics of US President Donald Trump.

US officials named the man as Cesar Sayoc, saying that more arrests could follow.

Mr Trump said the acts were "despicable and have no place in our country", and promised "swift and certain justice".

Twelve items have been sent in recent days to figures including ex-President Barack Obama and actor Robert de Niro.

The latest two were found in Florida and New York City on Friday.

From a different newspaper.

Sayoc posted several photos of himself wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, and a video where he’s wearing the hat as Trump speaks at the October 2016 rally.

The images from the rally also include photos of Trump speaking and “Blacks for Trump” signs.

Memes he posted on his page include an image of Hillary Clinton - one of the bomb targets - labeled “hypocrite.” Other memes promote fringe conspiracy theories about Clinton, calling her a “serial killer” and accusing her and husband Bill Clinton of having people murdered.

There are images criticizing Islam as a “barbaric evil cult” and referring to Muslims as “paedophiles and rapists.”

There are other posts depicting refugees as terrorists, opposing gun control, and attacking former President Barack Obama, who was targeted with a bomb.

Another photo posted on the account shows a sign reading “Thank you, Lord Jesus, for President Trump.”
Some will maintain this is a false flag. Handy for the rest of us to know who is that far gone.

I can understand people voting Trump, given how the world economy, and especially the US has been stacked against the poor since well, Jesus' time. Obviously the idea Trump would correct that was ludicrous, but I understand people wanting to make a point. As with Brexit. What I will never understand, is anyone claiming to follow Jesus having anything to do with him? I mean there are evangelicals who support this guy. Which says their faith is rather more invested in their personal wealth than morality. Have they read a word Jesus said?

I suppose anyone claiming to follow Jesus should have nothing to do with American capitalism full stop but that's another story.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 18:57
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Well, once again I must admit that I am wrong. Here I was thinking that these bomb threats surely must have been made by someone who basks in Trump's calls of casual violence. Someone who sucks at the teat of the Murdoch propaganda machine.

But no...it must be a democratic operative. The media! The liberals! That is who it is! How could any of us ever thought otherwise? And sure enough those of you who put forth this position were, as usual, spot on. When will the likes of me ever learn?

What was that? Say again please? It was not a democratic operative but rather a disturbed man in his fifties with Trump stickers plastered all over his van?

In my lifetime, other the North Korea, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a cult of personality in politics.

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:03
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Forget the cake ....

A surfing Trump fan-boi recently wrote to me: "While you chalk up the civility to Trump, other liberals chalk up pipe bombs to him. Cake and eat it too."

So, my little surfer boi, how would you like your crow prepared, now that it turns out that, yes, it has been a Trump supporter sending those bombs? (It's early days but so it seems; it was not a "false flag" operation at all.)

That is a silly question, really. As a Trump supporter, WC, you should be able to swallow just about anything. Just gulp your crow down, beak, feathers, feet and all, along with a few fresh Trump lies about this. By next week it should be "Bombs? What bombs? Are you liberals still harping on about that?" from you, and Sarah too.
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Well, once again I must admit that I am wrong. Here I was thinking that these bomb threats surely must have been made by someone who basks in Trump's calls of casual violence. Someone who sucks at the teat of the Murdoch propaganda machine.

But no...it must be a democratic operative. The media! The liberals! That is who it is! How could any of us ever thought otherwise? And sure enough those of you who put forth this position were, as usual, spot on. When will the likes of me ever learn?

What was that? Say again please? It was not a democratic operative but rather a disturbeed man in his fifties
With Trump stickers plastered all over his van?

In my lifetime, other the North Korea, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a cult of personality in politics.
Personality is being a bit generous
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:16
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A surfing Trump fan-boi recently wrote to me: "While you chalk up the civility to Trump, other liberals chalk up pipe bombs to him. Cake and eat it too."

So, my little surfer boi, how would you like your crow prepared, now that it turns out that, yes, it has been a Trump supporter sending those bombs? (It's early days but so it seems; it was not a "false flag" operation at all.)

That is a silly question, really. As a Trump supporter, WC, you should be able to swallow just about anything. Just gulp your crow down, beak, feathers, feet and all, along with a few fresh Trump lies about this. By next week it should be "Bombs? What bombs? Are you liberals still harping on about that?" from you, and Sarah too.
I would suggest from now on anyone who immediately, without hint of cause, said this was false flag, should be treated the same way as chemtrailers. They're in the same group.And now finally I understand so much of this thread.

Ignore chemtrailers.
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So much for False Flags & Fake Bombs

Federal authorities have charged 56-year-old Cesar Altieri Sayoc with five crimes including mailing explosives and threatening former U.S. presidents. Sayoc is a registered Republican and ardent Trump supporter who pushed far-right conspiracy theories online. Some of Sayoc's social media posts singled out the targets of the bombs.

FBI Director Christopher Wray says more than a dozen pipe bombs sent to prominent Democrats and CNN were “not hoax devices.” Wray says each of the pipe bombs contained materials that could react and cause a potential explosion.

Sessions and other law enforcement officials are declining to speculate on whether the current divided political climate in America and President Donald Trump's rhetoric emboldened the man. FBI Director Christopher Wray says it's too early to discuss a motive behind the pipe bombs.
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Boring!

I will let you in on a secret: I love Trump fan-bois because they make this thread what it is for now: a freaking circus!

Not the big top, just the side-show, but without the wackos what would we be left with? Just a bunch of sandal-wearing libtards sat in a circle singing "Kumbayah" and making sandalwood incense out of their own sandals, with a break every 30 minutes to have a group hug and a lukewarm cup of herbal tea.

We need ratbag fringe lunatics with their knee-jerk defenses of Mr Indefensible: the guy who, probably correctly, told us that he could shoot someone dead right there on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters over that.
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I will let you in on a secret: I love Trump fan-bois because they make this thread what it is for now: a freaking circus!

Not the big top, just the side-show, but without the wackos what would we be left with? Just a bunch of sandal-wearing libtards sat in a circle singing "Kumbayah" and making sandalwood incense out of their own sandals, with a break every 30 minutes to have a group hug and a lukewarm cup of herbal tea.

We need ratbag fringe lunatics with their knee-jerk defenses of Mr Indefensible: the guy who, probably correctly, told us that he could shoot someone dead right there on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters over that.
I feel for them. Well, not really, but a bit in a human way. Having just been to California and experienced their incredible people I can think of no greater compliment than to be called a 'west coast liberal'. That people spend their days getting angry about them is hilarious. Which is how you it seems, and I, and everyone, should treat this thread. It's a little freak show occasionally but it is important it see the other side. And laugh at their anger at people being happy and free.
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I do find it interesting that this guy was correctly described as being an Indian (the Native American type, not the Indian Indians!) when the arrest was first announced.

That, however, has disappeared from all subsequent descriptions. Now, apparently, he's just another white guy.
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