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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:33
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. West Coast, does one have to be a "liberal" to think that Trump's hate speech might have something to do with someone sending bombs to those he has ranted against? That seems like common sense to me, the first thing that an investigator would look into. (Your notion seems to be about like thinking that some woman with a MADD [Mothers Against Drunk Driving] sticker who got rammed by a drunk driver had to have staged the accident herself just to prove her point. Really, it is perfectly obvious that drunk driving is dangerous; nobody needs to stage an accident to make that point.) Trump has been quite happy to rev up the hate speech, starting with "Just beat the crap out of him!" and going on from there to naming the press as the enemy of the American people. He still smirks as his followers stand on their hind legs chanting "Lock her up! Lock her up!" It makes perfect sense that one of his haters should feel encouraged to turn hateful words into hateful action, doesn't it?
Just curious that liberals seek to blame Trump for everything, from your curiosity about why folks were polite to pipe bombs in the mail. Multi purpose boogeyman.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:47
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The fact that the attempts were against Donald Trump antagonists somehow proves it was a false flag? Who would you want a Trump supporter to attack? Trump just to prove he's not a false flag? This place is amazing. Perhaps the allies should have deliberately dropped a few bombs on their own ports in WW2 just to prove they weren't a false flag?

I admire your efforts though, you've set it up nicely so that whatever happens it cannot possibly be a Trump supporter. Heads, tails, you win. Because I've never ever seen anyone looking remotely angry and like they might cause harm at a Trump rally. I go with Ockhmas' razor, which I suspect most here would in any other circumstance and would consider people peddling their position loons.

Good to see the genuinely crazy people revealing themselves though, helps for future debate.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
Thanks. Maybe you could find some examples like this?: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/17/man_confronted_for_ripping_cruz_signs_from_yards_freaks_out_ i_hate_ted_cruz.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm _campaign=realclearpolitics

BTW, it wasn't more than a handful of days ago that Trump sat down with 60 Min Leslie Stahl, representing 92% of US reporters who are liberal. She got schooled. Most rallies that Trump has been holding(except TX) are in states and towns populated by liberals. He is out there in DC, surrounded by the liberal infestation that is 'the beltway'. There's no escape until one gets to real America.

We've got HR members, and an ex AG from the liberal side telling their constituents to kick people when they are down. Hillary speaks up and tells us there can be no civility until the Dems are back in power. "That's why I believe if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and/or the Senate, that's when civility can start again. But until then, the only thing that the Republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength.". Every day is another angry liberal ranting and hair-pulling because they didn't get their way. There is the #walkaway movement for thousands leaving the Dems because they are disgusted with the mind control of the cult of personality on the left. Do you find the same for those on the conservative side? Got any examples?
I'm from another part of the world, and I've asked this many times, but I'm still confused, what is wrong with liberals?

Especially 'west coast liberals'. I just spent a couple of weeks in California and it was one of the most wonderful places I ever visited (apologies to those who painted me as a USA hater) The level of generosity of spirit and sheer humanity was incredible. is that the problem? It seems many here like to hate a lot of stuff and Californians seemed to just want to be nice to anyone. Is that the problem? That they aren´t so fond of irrational hatred? I suggest some here adopt the Californian way of life, imagine being so carefree all the time! I suspect jealousy must play a large part..the people there are beautiful.

In fact compared to what I read on here, no-one seemed at all bothered about any of the things I'm told all Americans are so aroused by. Though I know some say California isn't America. As a compliment I presume having visited a couple of other parts. I will definitely be back.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 17:39
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ethical,
Most rallies that Trump has been holding(except TX) are in states and towns populated by liberals. He is out there in DC, surrounded by the liberal infestation that is 'the beltway'.
Out of curiosity, what are your sources of information for your assertions? You don't have any liberals in TX, eh? So why did Donald go to TX to prop up lying Ted who now is "nice" Ted, Texas Ted? Surely Texas Ted has 99% of the TX vote, correct?

TX is no exception in case you are wondering. I can assure you the Trumpster's visits to the area of Ohio I reside in have only been conveniently held in conservative country, the most recent being the Warren County Fairgrounds rally. Tickets were required in advance to attend to screen out liberals. But I've read where at some places he's paid people to wait outside in line to make it appear as having a strong turnout when a strong turnout wasn't happening.

Wakeup ethical, the Trumpster is running hard for his 2020 campaign for president not for Texas Ted. The Trumpster is only about the Trumpster and he will do anything and say anything and praise anyone and trash anyone even if it is the same person to win. He and his able PR assistant Sarah use the letter D words, deny, dismiss, disavow, disregard, disclaim and deceitfulness (lying) to stay the course to 2020.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 17:55
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Not a false flag

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45996655

A 56-year-old man has been arrested in Florida in connection with a mail-bombing campaign aimed at critics of US President Donald Trump.

US officials named the man as Cesar Sayoc, saying that more arrests could follow.

Mr Trump said the acts were "despicable and have no place in our country", and promised "swift and certain justice".

Twelve items have been sent in recent days to figures including ex-President Barack Obama and actor Robert de Niro.

The latest two were found in Florida and New York City on Friday.

From a different newspaper.

Sayoc posted several photos of himself wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, and a video where he’s wearing the hat as Trump speaks at the October 2016 rally.

The images from the rally also include photos of Trump speaking and “Blacks for Trump” signs.

Memes he posted on his page include an image of Hillary Clinton - one of the bomb targets - labeled “hypocrite.” Other memes promote fringe conspiracy theories about Clinton, calling her a “serial killer” and accusing her and husband Bill Clinton of having people murdered.

There are images criticizing Islam as a “barbaric evil cult” and referring to Muslims as “paedophiles and rapists.”

There are other posts depicting refugees as terrorists, opposing gun control, and attacking former President Barack Obama, who was targeted with a bomb.

Another photo posted on the account shows a sign reading “Thank you, Lord Jesus, for President Trump.”

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Not a false flag

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45996655

A 56-year-old man has been arrested in Florida in connection with a mail-bombing campaign aimed at critics of US President Donald Trump.

US officials named the man as Cesar Sayoc, saying that more arrests could follow.

Mr Trump said the acts were "despicable and have no place in our country", and promised "swift and certain justice".

Twelve items have been sent in recent days to figures including ex-President Barack Obama and actor Robert de Niro.

The latest two were found in Florida and New York City on Friday.

From a different newspaper.

Sayoc posted several photos of himself wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, and a video where he’s wearing the hat as Trump speaks at the October 2016 rally.

The images from the rally also include photos of Trump speaking and “Blacks for Trump” signs.

Memes he posted on his page include an image of Hillary Clinton - one of the bomb targets - labeled “hypocrite.” Other memes promote fringe conspiracy theories about Clinton, calling her a “serial killer” and accusing her and husband Bill Clinton of having people murdered.

There are images criticizing Islam as a “barbaric evil cult” and referring to Muslims as “paedophiles and rapists.”

There are other posts depicting refugees as terrorists, opposing gun control, and attacking former President Barack Obama, who was targeted with a bomb.

Another photo posted on the account shows a sign reading “Thank you, Lord Jesus, for President Trump.”
Some will maintain this is a false flag. Handy for the rest of us to know who is that far gone.

I can understand people voting Trump, given how the world economy, and especially the US has been stacked against the poor since well, Jesus' time. Obviously the idea Trump would correct that was ludicrous, but I understand people wanting to make a point. As with Brexit. What I will never understand, is anyone claiming to follow Jesus having anything to do with him? I mean there are evangelicals who support this guy. Which says their faith is rather more invested in their personal wealth than morality. Have they read a word Jesus said?

I suppose anyone claiming to follow Jesus should have nothing to do with American capitalism full stop but that's another story.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 18:57
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Well, once again I must admit that I am wrong. Here I was thinking that these bomb threats surely must have been made by someone who basks in Trump's calls of casual violence. Someone who sucks at the teat of the Murdoch propaganda machine.

But no...it must be a democratic operative. The media! The liberals! That is who it is! How could any of us ever thought otherwise? And sure enough those of you who put forth this position were, as usual, spot on. When will the likes of me ever learn?

What was that? Say again please? It was not a democratic operative but rather a disturbed man in his fifties with Trump stickers plastered all over his van?

In my lifetime, other the North Korea, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a cult of personality in politics.

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:03
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Forget the cake ....

A surfing Trump fan-boi recently wrote to me: "While you chalk up the civility to Trump, other liberals chalk up pipe bombs to him. Cake and eat it too."

So, my little surfer boi, how would you like your crow prepared, now that it turns out that, yes, it has been a Trump supporter sending those bombs? (It's early days but so it seems; it was not a "false flag" operation at all.)

That is a silly question, really. As a Trump supporter, WC, you should be able to swallow just about anything. Just gulp your crow down, beak, feathers, feet and all, along with a few fresh Trump lies about this. By next week it should be "Bombs? What bombs? Are you liberals still harping on about that?" from you, and Sarah too.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:14
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Well, once again I must admit that I am wrong. Here I was thinking that these bomb threats surely must have been made by someone who basks in Trump's calls of casual violence. Someone who sucks at the teat of the Murdoch propaganda machine.

But no...it must be a democratic operative. The media! The liberals! That is who it is! How could any of us ever thought otherwise? And sure enough those of you who put forth this position were, as usual, spot on. When will the likes of me ever learn?

What was that? Say again please? It was not a democratic operative but rather a disturbeed man in his fifties
With Trump stickers plastered all over his van?

In my lifetime, other the North Korea, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a cult of personality in politics.
Personality is being a bit generous
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:16
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
A surfing Trump fan-boi recently wrote to me: "While you chalk up the civility to Trump, other liberals chalk up pipe bombs to him. Cake and eat it too."

So, my little surfer boi, how would you like your crow prepared, now that it turns out that, yes, it has been a Trump supporter sending those bombs? (It's early days but so it seems; it was not a "false flag" operation at all.)

That is a silly question, really. As a Trump supporter, WC, you should be able to swallow just about anything. Just gulp your crow down, beak, feathers, feet and all, along with a few fresh Trump lies about this. By next week it should be "Bombs? What bombs? Are you liberals still harping on about that?" from you, and Sarah too.
I would suggest from now on anyone who immediately, without hint of cause, said this was false flag, should be treated the same way as chemtrailers. They're in the same group.And now finally I understand so much of this thread.

Ignore chemtrailers.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:57
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So much for False Flags & Fake Bombs

Federal authorities have charged 56-year-old Cesar Altieri Sayoc with five crimes including mailing explosives and threatening former U.S. presidents. Sayoc is a registered Republican and ardent Trump supporter who pushed far-right conspiracy theories online. Some of Sayoc's social media posts singled out the targets of the bombs.

FBI Director Christopher Wray says more than a dozen pipe bombs sent to prominent Democrats and CNN were “not hoax devices.” Wray says each of the pipe bombs contained materials that could react and cause a potential explosion.

Sessions and other law enforcement officials are declining to speculate on whether the current divided political climate in America and President Donald Trump's rhetoric emboldened the man. FBI Director Christopher Wray says it's too early to discuss a motive behind the pipe bombs.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 19:58
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Boring!

I will let you in on a secret: I love Trump fan-bois because they make this thread what it is for now: a freaking circus!

Not the big top, just the side-show, but without the wackos what would we be left with? Just a bunch of sandal-wearing libtards sat in a circle singing "Kumbayah" and making sandalwood incense out of their own sandals, with a break every 30 minutes to have a group hug and a lukewarm cup of herbal tea.

We need ratbag fringe lunatics with their knee-jerk defenses of Mr Indefensible: the guy who, probably correctly, told us that he could shoot someone dead right there on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters over that.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 20:22
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
I will let you in on a secret: I love Trump fan-bois because they make this thread what it is for now: a freaking circus!

Not the big top, just the side-show, but without the wackos what would we be left with? Just a bunch of sandal-wearing libtards sat in a circle singing "Kumbayah" and making sandalwood incense out of their own sandals, with a break every 30 minutes to have a group hug and a lukewarm cup of herbal tea.

We need ratbag fringe lunatics with their knee-jerk defenses of Mr Indefensible: the guy who, probably correctly, told us that he could shoot someone dead right there on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters over that.
I feel for them. Well, not really, but a bit in a human way. Having just been to California and experienced their incredible people I can think of no greater compliment than to be called a 'west coast liberal'. That people spend their days getting angry about them is hilarious. Which is how you it seems, and I, and everyone, should treat this thread. It's a little freak show occasionally but it is important it see the other side. And laugh at their anger at people being happy and free.
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I do find it interesting that this guy was correctly described as being an Indian (the Native American type, not the Indian Indians!) when the arrest was first announced.

That, however, has disappeared from all subsequent descriptions. Now, apparently, he's just another white guy.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 21:08
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I do find it interesting that this guy was correctly described as being an Indian (the Native American type, not the Indian Indians!) when the arrest was first announced.

That, however, has disappeared from all subsequent descriptions. Now, apparently, he's just another white guy.
You're not making whatever strange point you think you're making. I see no reference to any race, which is probably as it should be unless relevant to the crime, no?

No surprise about immediate attempts to bring race into it, equally pathetic as the 'false flag' BS. Maybe you guys should just have a little break. Go have a scotch. I don't know how you stay sane having these arguments every day on here, that's why I'm not on much.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 21:18
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I will also say, I was genuinely impressed by Trump's remarks. Rather than get into the tit for tat of what he said before, he said the right thing today at the right time, and hopefully his supporters were listening.It was almost (gasp) presidential. I guess this was a wake up call, he was pretty good friends with the Clintons after all.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 21:24
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You can make of my point what you wish, Neila83, and draw any conclusion you wish. I was just pointing out reality. Mostly about how the media manages to "lose" any information which might be troublesome to them.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 22:13
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The last election was TWO YEARS ago. Why is Trump till so obsessed about Hillary Clinton?
And why, one may ask, are the Democrats so obsessed about President Trump? He did win, after all.

Last I heard was: they are the opposition.

Last I heard was:he gives them and, apparently, a lot of other people in the USA quite some good reasons with his rhetoric, his stupid tarrifs etc. etc. I can, to a certain degree, understand supporters who, not through a fault of theirs, have little education and understanding of how the economy works (I'm even sure Trump doesn't despite his alleged Wharton degree), what international treaties mean etc. What I can't understand is why those with a higher level of education can still support a man who is in the process of dividing the USA, of , together with the Republicans, is taking away benefits from veterans and sick people and and and. Apparently this is intended tp pay for the income shortfall produced by the infamous tax reform
Let me know, if you need more examples.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 22:31
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I will also say, I was genuinely impressed by Trump's remarks. Rather than get into the tit for tat of what he said before, he said the right thing today at the right time, and hopefully his supporters were listening.It was almost (gasp) presidential. I guess this was a wake up call, he was pretty good friends with the Clintons after all.
Yes, there was a glimmer of hope for a short while, read from a prepared statement. And then it was back to the real Trump attacking the media. This guy is hyprocisy in person.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 22:37
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Original Quote by obgraham:
Turbine, you appear to be clueless about the workings of the stock market. Every rise -- EVERY one -- is followed by a correction. This is said correction. It doesn't matter if the excuse is Pipe Bombs, Italy, or Marching through Mexico.
When the market is back up, in a few months, I expect you will be silent then.
You offer what are called a truisms. The oceans rise and fall, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, water seeks the lowest level, etc., it doesn't take a rocket scientist to state the obvious. What you fail to question and answer is WHY? That often determines the length of the rise and the depth of the decline.
I don't think I am clueless at all, you're simply a faithful conservative in the usual attack mode. Here is why I think your "in a few months" is technically wrong:
Two weeks ago, former hedge fund manager Mike Novogratz predicted in a tweet a U.S. stockmarket sell-off. Now, in the midst of the worst October for stocks since 2008, Novogratz said he believes the pillars holding up a strong market are beginning to crumble.
The CEO of Galaxy Investment Partners, Novogratz said he believes steadily rising Treasury yields – which he said have been hovering around 3 percent all year – could deter possible growth.“You’ve got rates becoming a headwind, at the same time we’re coming into an election where most likely the Dems will win the House,” he said on Friday during an exclusive interview with FOX Business’ Liz Claman. Coupled with midterm elections less than two weeks away that will determine the political landscape of Congress FiveThirtyEight favors Democrats winning the House on Nov. 6 at 84.5 percent) and tightening short-term interest rates by the Federal Reserve, Novogratz warned that people would continue to flee from the stock market.

“You’ve had the Trump train going for a while, he’s had both the House and Senate,” he said. “And if you have a Democrat House, it’s just going to be noise and noise and noise. The Trump agenda gets muted some.” On Friday, after a volatile week led by falling shares of major tech companies, the Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 296 points, or 1.19 percent, though stocks recovered much of their losses from earlier in the day. The broader S&P 500, which briefly dipped into correction territory, declined about 1.7 percent. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite fell 2.06 percent. According to Novogratz, the major tech sell-off – precipitated by mixed quarterly results from Google and Amazon – will likely continue. Most likely, investors will turn to cash or emerging markets instead. “You’re going to see a continued roll out of tech, just because that’s where everybody was,” he said. “So people are going to get out of Google, they're going to get out of Apple.”

This analysis doesn't take into the Trump tariffs. The drag of his tariffs will delay any recovery until they are totally removed, maybe by 2020 or 2024 when the Trumpster is gone. So you may think I am clueless, but I think you ought to take a few courses in economics at your local community college...
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