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Old 16th Oct 2018, 02:18
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
As Ben Shapiro said, "the same media that says two X-chromosomes does not make you automatically a woman, is now saying that a single ancestor 10 generations back is enough to make you an Indian".

You can't make this stuff up!
And along those lines, Stormy the hooker and her prostitute lawyer lost their defamation case against Trump, to add insult to injury they have to pay Trumps legal fees.

You can’t make this stuff up, again.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 03:37
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A bit more winning. https://thefederalistpapers.org/opin...-payback-angry

Trump, unlike the previous admins, just advanced a bunch of judicial nominations to the fed bench. Including three Fed society members to the 9th Circuit which is going to stick in the Dems craw.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 05:00
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45871362

Good month for Trump. Who knows, the midterms may go better than expected for the GOP.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45871362

Good month for Trump. Who knows, the midterms may go better than expected for the GOP.
even if not (the midterms), the future court rullings will sit well for many years to come with the repubs base
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:32
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Do the Democrats have any kind of realistic chance n the midterms? I see the press, including The Economist, is full of stories that they have a chance to pick upsome seats...but even from this distant vantage point all can see that the Democrats are a hapless group at the moment without a clear message and skilled only in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Too bad this so called party oposite is an effete shell of what an opposition should be. What are they offering other than they are not Trump?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:57
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Too bad this so called party oposite is an effete shell of what an opposition should be. What are they offering other than they are not Trump?
They also represent the hopes and dreams of liberals and feel goodies and as such expect like minded voting at the midterms.

The concern is another two years of nothing getting done in congress sufficient to be signed off by POTUS.

Nothing new will be added and nothing old will be re-done, but many executive actions will clog up the supreme court
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 14:31
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
They also represent the hopes and dreams of liberals and feel goodies and as such expect like minded voting at the midterms.

The concern is another two years of nothing getting done in congress sufficient to be signed off by POTUS.

Nothing new will be added and nothing old will be re-done, but many executive actions will clog up the supreme court
just for once, wouldn’t it be marvellous if all the politicians ignored the special interest folks with their money and actually worked together for the good of the country.

Damn it, I must be dreaming.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 16:18
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-american-dna/

Oops. TL/DR: Warren didn't actually use Native Amer DNA for her comparison. The tests were against people from Mexico, Peru, and Columbia. Someone needs a lesson in Native American cultural history.

Edit; Lets just add plagiarist to her resume:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/1...rokee-recipes/

TL/DR: Warren submitted recipes for a cookbook "Pow Wow Chow" (not kidding), which were word-for-word copies of French and Better Homes & Gardens recipes written several years before she offered them to the Pow Wow Chow folks. Not remotely Native Amer fare.

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 18:18
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-american-dna/

Oops. TL/DR: Warren didn't actually use Native Amer DNA for her comparison. The tests were against people from Mexico, Peru, and Columbia. Someone needs a lesson in Native American cultural history.
She's now going to identify as an Inca.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 19:43
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Any of youse actually bother to read Dr Bustamante's Report or was Breitbart sufficient?

I've been a Prooner for quite a few years and have been following this thread since it's inception.
There is a real nastiness, particularly in the later parts, that I don't recall seeing much of on PPRuNe before.

Perhaps this https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/o...tribalism.html goes some way towards explaining it.
{You can find the original document at https://hiddentribes.us/ - well worth a read for those who occasionally venture outside their own echo chamber}

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 20:19
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Nah, Mac, this is an opinion thread. You can't go off telling who and who can't pontificate. It's how we get our jollies here, now that the NFL has prohibited any real football activity in their games.

Nor is is valid to quote a column written by an opinion writer (Brooks) and paint it like some truthiness.

The problem I have with Bustamante's report is that he found there was not sufficient North American native material in the DNA databases, because those native Americans tend not to participate in that activity. So he used more Central and South American native DNA. In his actual report (yes, I read it, linked via your links above) he fails to point that out.

We'll just carry on here. All will be well after November 6 (!).
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 21:13
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
Any of youse actually bother to read Dr Bustamante's Report or was Breitbart sufficient?

I've been a Prooner for quite a few years and have been following this thread since it's inception.
There is a real nastiness, particularly in the later parts, that I don't recall seeing much of on PPRuNe before.

Perhaps this https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/o...tribalism.html goes some way towards explaining it.
{You can find the original document at https://hiddentribes.us/ - well worth a read for those who occasionally venture outside their own echo chamber}

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PS: Please don't join in unless you have read at least the NYT review and preferably the document itself
Oh yeah, since I'm the one that posted up the facts to start with I'll play. Yes, I read both before posting. I stand behind everything I wrote. In fact, if you want to get all technical, Warren has always claimed to be part Cherokee, not just 'Native American'. Trump and others have not held her to strict scrutiny before, but should we do that the proof provided by 'Dr' B proves Warren has exactly ZERO Cherokee genetic content. The Cherokee tribe is well known, and well studied, and has a remarkably long history. So - fail, Warren.

Next, since we're going all tech again, the average white American has between .075% and 3% Native American genetic markers according to 23 and Me. Which means that again, Warren falls right in the normal curve of genetic makeup that every white American does. Which means she has the same, or less than all other white folk here! (including I guess me as well)

Finally, since we're talking about 'Native American' genetic make up, lets go to the actual people that get to decide if she's one of them: https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/15/e...inappropriate/ The Cherokee nation rejects her too!

(oh, that 'Inca' reference was - classic!)
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 21:24
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Original Posting by obgraham:
Don't know if many of you caught Trump's interview on "60 Minutes" tonight.

By far the best interview I've every heard him give. He handled that aggressive old bag like playing a Strad. Said a couple of silly things, of course, like always, but made his points, didn't get drawn in by her efforts to catch him up. The man is really coming into his own now.

Naturally, the media tonight is all over him about how he messed everything up, more proof that he's just fine.
Somehow the TV reception must have faded in and out. Over two years and Donald is just coming into his own?

On Stahl’s first question, about whether Trump still thinks climate change is a hoax, the president dodged by saying “Something’s happening.” He then completely reversed course and declared that climate change is not a hoax and that “I’m not denying climate change.” Trump also falsely said the climate will change back again, even though the National Climate Assessment approved by his White House last year said that there was no turning back, Coming into his own as they say...

On North Korea, Trump went on to insist that Kim had agreed to denuclearization, a goal long sought by U.S. presidents. Kim actually has only signed a nonbinding statement of goals — and the goal to “work towards complete denuclearization” was listed third. The communique the two men signed was far less detailed than the declaration issued by North and South Korea more than a quarter century ago, with little consequence. Coming into his own as they say.

On trade, Trump continues to suggest that deficits mean the United States is losing money: “I told President Xi we cannot continue to have China take $500 billion a year out of the United States.” That’s wrong. The trade deficit just means Americans are buying more Chinese products than the Chinese are buying from the United States, not that the Chinese are somehow stealing U.S. money. The trade deficit with China is not $500 billion, as he told Stahl; it was $335 Billion in 2017 according to U.S. government figures. The United States imported $505 billion of goods from China, so maybe that’s where Trump gets his number. To top it off, Trump denied to Stahl that he ever said he was engaged in a trade war with China, even though he has said and tweeted it many times, including on Fox News last week. He insisted he had only called it a “battle” — a term he has used at times — but was now suddenly downgrading it to a mere “skirmish.” Coming into his own as they say.

I could go on, but I think the message is there relative to Trump coming into his own. He did say one thing to Stahl that was 100% true,
“I’m president, and you’re not.” Everybody knows that for the most part. Reality is that what you see and hear is the best it can be, Trump is already in his own.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:11
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Trump still babbles.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:16
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A major disaster in Florida and trump’s concern is Warren’s DNA?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:17
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Call me Harald ....

Funny enough, I just sent in a sample to 23andMe. When I was in the States my sister had me do this, and she showed me her profile (same as mine, basically, except for me being a male and her being a female).

From what I have been told I'm mostly of Irish descent and also partly of French descent, but the profile shows some "Scandinavian" too. How nice! I am changing my name to Harald and styling myself a Viking from here on, because it is so much better than claiming descent from a long and humble line of bog-trotters and snail-gobblers.

Move over, Per; there's a new dragon ship anchoring in your fjord! Line the women up on the shore to await my arrival, if you please.

Or not .... I think it takes more than what I got to call oneself a Viking, since they were just part of the population of Scandinavia. If I share part of their DNA that might be just because some distant Irish ancestor could not run as fast as a Viking, nor as fast as her cow. I guess I will just have to stick with my claim to be The World's Greatest Pilot.

Elizabeth Warren was caught out a long time ago faking membership in the Cherokee tribe. Essentially, as with my failed stab at Haraldhood, it takes more than DNA to style yourself a Cherokee, or a Viking. It's partly racial, but mostly cultural. Trump, now, do we need to test his DNA to prove that he's been 100% a jerk his whole life long? DNA has nothing to do with that, just as Warren's has nothing to do with her being Cherokee, nor mine with me being a Viking.

I think it's a mistake to try to wriggle out of what Warren had been caught doing, obviously posing as a Cherokee, by using this DNA test. On the other hand, that she has some Amerindian in her ancestry, as do almost all non-Amerindians who have been here for more than just a few generations ... I think Trump should pay up on his loud offer of a million bucks simply because she did take that test he was asking for, and passed it in that, yes, she's somewhat an "Indian."

What next from Trump? "No, no, I meant from like Kerala or Gujurat: that sort of Indian!"

Typical Trump, that now he wants to give Warren the DNA test himself. What, he's going to hold the little container while Warren drools into it? This I want to see, those tiny hands that can hardly hold a water bottle trying to hold that sample container steady. That should make for excellent television! Drool on him, Pocahontas! That will freak him out.

"I was a clog-teaser at Roosterama. I used to enrage the bantams before the big bout." And how was that done, dear readers? By dressing up like an egg and sitting on them ... but you probably knew that already.

Now we return to our regular coverage ....
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:22
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Like I pointed out, if the Left and their Turbine-like acolytes are in a tizzy over Trump's interview, that's proof enough to me that he did a great job.

He had to interrupt the harpy who kept interrupting his answers. Then when she didn't like the answer, "oh I'll change the subject."

And tell me this, Turbine -- considering this was a "get" interview for a high profile media person like Stahl, in the lead-in to an election, why was it that there were Zero questions about substance: Economic advancement, low unemployment -- you know, the stuff that affects average Americans, rather than Harvard academics? Was that an interview by a News Reporter, or was it one by a Political Opponent?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:46
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Opinion thread. No discussion, no ratiocination, nothing too hifalutin' - message understood pard!
{opinions are like assholes, etc.} so none of us should bother to read 'em. M'kay.

Brooks opinion piece was a POINTER -> (get it? a pointer -> hello?) to the original study by Stephen Hawkins, Daniel Yudkin, Miriam Juan-Torres and Tim Dixon. Brooks (in whom I have NO interest) piece was thought-provoking and LED me to the proper original study "Hidden Tribes: A Study of America's Polarized Landscape" - evidently you are mistaking the monkey for the organ-grinder.....oh dear me!

I suppose that you won't read (tl:dnr) the actual study (a pity, because it is very relevant) because you know miraculously that it must "lack truthiness".

Coming back to Pocahontas, Nowhere does Bustamante say that, "...he found there was not sufficient North American native material in the DNA databases, because those native Americans tend not to participate in that activity." {What activity? Sex with whitey? Giving blood samples? The mind boggles!}. Nor does he say, "..The tests were against people from Mexico, Peru, and Columbia.". That he does say is, "...37 from across the Americas with Native American ancestry...". This does NOT exclude Native North Americans.

"The total length of Native American segments observed in the individual is greater than the average value for the reference individuals <snip> by 10.5-fold (corresponding to 4.9 standard deviations) for the individuals from Utah." It may well be that a lot of American whites have SOME Native American blood, but it seems as though Warren has more than whites in Utah {perhaps it has something to do with the Mormons?}. And, "The segment on chromosome 10 observed in the individual is larger than any of the segments identified as having Native American ancestry in any of the 185 reference individuals." Finally, "the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago."

Now AFAIK, Warren has never claimed to be a pure-blood American Native, merely that there was a family legend that there was a Native American ancestor in her family. Her DNA analysis confirms that this is very likely true. If it was me, I'd be rather proud of that {as many white Americans are} and feel some small degree of kinship.

And, according to the "One Drop Rule", once historically prominent in the United States, asserting that any person with even ("one drop" of black blood) is considered black, she could certainly be considered a half-breed....

Yes, you are definitely a Traditional Conservative, perhaps even a Devoted one - congratulations!

Exhausted Majority Mac

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Dea Certe View Post
A major disaster in Florida and trump’s concern is Warren’s DNA?
Uh, Warren brought it up, and had the test done then crowed about it to the media. Trump just effectively parried her serve.

Then she got laughed out of the room. Boy the Dem women have made an uphill battle for the coming election. First DiFi rolls out her dick and walks all over it with cleats at the confirmation, then Pocahontas gives us her DNA fodder for laughs, and now Hillary making ridiculous statements about her hubby and his affairs being between two consenting adults(ya know, a 40+YO married man who is the most powerful person on Earth, and a 22YO college intern from Piscataway or something) and not an abuse of power. The #MeToo girls sure have plenty of reason to sit on their hands this election, or pull the handle for the opposition. What a massive CF.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 23:15
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OK, fine. If Warren can claim to be Native American, then so can I(and every other white American). For the future, I will list myself as a minority on all applications for grants, jobs, tenure, and federal exceptions for affirmative action. It's only fair.

Goose, gander doncha know. Notwithstanding the Cherokee told her to go get bent.

edit to add: HuffPo stands up for once: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b055bc947a6e13
That's about as definitive as it gets. And, I am shocked that HuffPo delivered this.

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