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Old 5th Oct 2018, 22:23
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A week ago, there were only about 158,000 defectors.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/194535...group&refid=18

By end of tonight it's going to be over 175,000.

Still have no takers on finding any bots there. The Dems screwed the pooch with this fight. They were hoping for some kind of summer miracle, where they could pull a victory off with a poorly calculated roll of the dice. Sadly, they came up snake-eyes. Even Spartacus admits there was no foundation anymore, but he still voting no on 'character'. What a laugh, the guy looks like a fool with two ugly failures. The only way Spartacus is getting to the WH is with an invitation. Feinstein showed the world she has one foot in the grave, and her oars are no longer in the water. What an epic meltdown.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 23:02
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Today, a special day in Chicago:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45767366

A Chicago cop found guilty of anything is unusual. A Chicago cop found guilty of 2nd degree murder is breathtaking,

I grew-up there, during both Richard Daley administrations. I am very surprised.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 23:58
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Ethical,

I love it when a far right winger counts his chickens before they hatch, how many seers have predicted the end of the world on a given date and that date has passed? Save your personal exuberance and get drunk tonight, don't drive from the bar, call Uber...
Youll be the guy over in the corner crying quietly into your beer?

And yes, good reminder, no drinking and driving, anytime, anywhere, no excuses.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 02:09
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Did Republicans engage in such sewer-policies
Is that the reason for the last four letters in the other partys name?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 17:22
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Next time I buy a bunch of bananas I expect them to to be marked: :"Grown in the USA".
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 17:45
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Be careful what you post, Per.

If Trump takes offense and sets up his blockade around Norway, you won't be buying any bananas at all. Fill up on Lutefisk, though!
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 17:50
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A hand of bananas.....
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 20:01
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Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by a vote of 50 - 48. Perhaps we may now return to the affairs of state instead of the media circus which has enveloped this nation since July.

- Ed
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 20:38
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Originally Posted by cavuman1 View Post
Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by a vote of 50 - 48. Perhaps we may now return to the affairs of state instead of the media circus which has enveloped this nation since July.

- Ed
Amen to that.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 21:17
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Originally Posted by cavuman1 View Post
Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by a vote of 50 - 48. Perhaps we may now return to the affairs of state instead of the media circus which has enveloped this nation since July.

- Ed
Not a chance

Too many have put their soul on the line to defeat him any way they could. They will now continue to foster their hatred to any decisions he might take as a sworn justice.

Once the black hand has been placed on your photo you may never be rid of it

Watch CNN and you will see what I mean, they are still fighting the last election as if it can't be true
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 22:29
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Originally Posted by cavuman1 View Post
Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by a vote of 50 - 48. Perhaps we may now return to the affairs of state instead of the media circus which has enveloped this nation since July.

- Ed
Sadly, I expect that's the triumph of hope over experience, though happy to be proven wrong.

Kavanaugh didn't do himself any favors during his testimony. Wherever the truth may lie 36-odd years ago, he came across as to many as irrational and vengeful. How he came across to me is immaterial. I'm not a voting or protest bloc.

His comment: "What goes around comes around." can be interpreted in so many ways (I can think of about 5 myself) that people will make it mean whatever it is they wish it to mean, and most of those interpretations will not be charitable. The one that casts Kavanaugh in the best light comes across as spiteful.

This entire process has just served to further divide and polarize the electorate into warring factions. It was either a comedy of errors from soup to nuts or it unfolded precisely as someone wished it would.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 22:46
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Originally Posted by Um... lifting... View Post
Sadly, I expect that's the triumph of hope over experience, though happy to be proven wrong.

Kavanaugh didn't do himself any favors during his testimony. Wherever the truth may lie 36-odd years ago, he came across as to many as irrational and vengeful. How he came across to me is immaterial. I'm not a voting or protest bloc.

His comment: "What goes around comes around." can be interpreted in so many ways (I can think of about 5 myself) that people will make it mean whatever it is they wish it to mean, and most of those interpretations will not be charitable. The one that casts Kavanaugh in the best light comes across as spiteful.

This entire process has just served to further divide and polarize the electorate into warring factions. It was either a comedy of errors from soup to nuts or it unfolded precisely as someone wished it would.
I believe the expression you refer to was meant to warn that the selection process can be used as a political weapon by both sides.
It is a sad illustration of the level our politics has sunk to.

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Old 6th Oct 2018, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Um... lifting... View Post
Sadly, I expect that's the triumph of hope over experience, though happy to be proven wrong.

Kavanaugh didn't do himself any favors during his testimony. Wherever the truth may lie 36-odd years ago, he came across as to many as irrational and vengeful. How he came across to me is immaterial. I'm not a voting or protest bloc.

His comment: "What goes around comes around." can be interpreted in so many ways (I can think of about 5 myself) that people will make it mean whatever it is they wish it to mean, and most of those interpretations will not be charitable. The one that casts Kavanaugh in the best light comes across as spiteful.

This entire process has just served to further divide and polarize the electorate into warring factions. It was either a comedy of errors from soup to nuts or it unfolded precisely as someone wished it would.
Hope? Are you kidding me? Trump wrote, and posted a list of Federalist Society judges that he would appoint long before even being elected. I don't think Kavanaugh was on the first list but he is a long standing member of the Federalists. This was strategic thinking all the way. the timing of it was masterful, and would have gone flawlessly had Ford not tried to toss sand in the gears. Even after the unfounded accusation, the Republicans adapted, and fed the Dems enough rope to hang themselves with, and they wore the noose right down to the floor falling out from under them.

'What goes around comes around' might be the worst way to say it, but it goes along with the unfiltered theme from Trump. And - what's more, it's perfectly accurate. The Dems were willing to play with the levers of power when they had it, and started changing rules, and ending the use of filibuster by invoking cloture. Well, then they can suck it when the committee is chaired by the other party. Maybe a man of faith should have said; 'as ye sow, so shall ye reap', and if you are commenting on it being inarticulate - well that's just fine.

Now finally, on warring factions. Don't tell me the left has been remotely accommodating in the past 10 years. Every time they lose a seat, or an election they just elevate their outrage another notch. 'Resist', 'occupy', 'not my president', 'fundamentally transform the US'. All those are liberal slogans, and they again are going to ride them right out of any power structure. I will agree there were plenty of errors made, some on both sides but the Dems came out if this being outplayed seriously. Another master stroke by the Tumpmeister.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 23:51
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
Hope? Are you kidding me? Trump wrote, and posted a list of Federalist Society judges that he would appoint long before even being elected. I don't think Kavanaugh was on the first list but he is a long standing member of the Federalists. This was strategic thinking all the way. the timing of it was masterful, and would have gone flawlessly had Ford not tried to toss sand in the gears. Even after the unfounded accusation, the Republicans adapted, and fed the Dems enough rope to hang themselves with, and they wore the noose right down to the floor falling out from under them.

'What goes around comes around' might be the worst way to say it, but it goes along with the unfiltered theme from Trump. And - what's more, it's perfectly accurate. The Dems were willing to play with the levers of power when they had it, and started changing rules, and ending the use of filibuster by invoking cloture. Well, then they can suck it when the committee is chaired by the other party. Maybe a man of faith should have said; 'as ye sow, so shall ye reap', and if you are commenting on it being inarticulate - well that's just fine.

Now finally, on warring factions. Don't tell me the left has been remotely accommodating in the past 10 years. Every time they lose a seat, or an election they just elevate their outrage another notch. 'Resist', 'occupy', 'not my president', 'fundamentally transform the US'. All those are liberal slogans, and they again are going to ride them right out of any power structure. I will agree there were plenty of errors made, some on both sides but the Dems came out if this being outplayed seriously. Another master stroke by the Tumpmeister.
Oh, Dear.

Thank you for making my point for me regarding differing interpretations. My first sentence was in response to the second half or so of cavuman1's final sentence, nothing more. You gave it far more scope than was indicated, intended, or warranted. I believe the circus will continue, though I'm happy to be proven wrong, political circuses being what they are and generally continuing long after all the entertainment value is gone. See how that works? So the remainder of your first paragraph was nothing to do with what I wrote, it's just you launching into your talking points.

Regarding your second paragraph. Maybe. And maybe not. See my reply to fltlt below, who was rather more nuanced than you were. I don't know that fltlt is right nor wrong, just as I don't know if I am. I see you're not burdened by any such uncertainty, which is a fine characteristic in an officer with but a single bar on his collar. The rest of your second paragraph was just more omnidirectional spleen venting.

I'm not trying to tell you nor sell you anything about the "left" nor the "right". I doubt anyone could, and I'm not fool enough to try. If only you could say the same. You seem to have had your wagon wheels pretty well mired in those ruts all by yourself long before I got here. I'll thank you not to project your own ideology onto whatever you seem to think mine is. I'll simply point out that it's something about which you haven't the vaguest clue.

As for my final paragraph, your entire posting simply confirms it.

I suspect in person you'd be a bit more civil, but perhaps I'm wrong there. I often am. So we share that.

I believe the expression you refer to was meant to warn that the selection process can be used as a political weapon by both sides.
It is a sad illustration of the level our politics has sunk to.
And that is one interpretation (indeed one of the ones I was thinking of and don't disagree with). It even perhaps is the one Kavanaugh intended, though I think it unlikely that opinions will be unified on that. I find nothing to argue with in your statement, but if we were having a civil glass I might ask you to expand upon it.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by cavuman1 View Post
Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by a vote of 50 - 48. Perhaps we may now return to the affairs of state instead of the media circus which has enveloped this nation since July.

- Ed
Share the sentiment, however expect the msm will determine what the next bright shiny object will be and Kavanaugh will be forgotten.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 00:36
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I do hope that those who lied will not be forgotten.
The Senator who used stolen valour should be impeached.
The Senator that leaked the name and abused a sad crazy woman to stall the process needs censuring.
Those who pretend to care about violence against our sisters ,mother's , aunts aught to approve funding of more forensics to solve the most heinous and violent crimes against humanity .
Thousands of rape kits in evidence lockers waiting years for forensic evaluation .While the monsters roam freely.

Those Senetors should provide the funding to the Police labs or stop pretending you care about Women .
Talk is cheap , made cheaper by the lack of resolve to actually fund the hunt to catch monsters.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 01:20
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Oh, Dear.

Thank you for making my point for me regarding differing interpretations.

I'm not trying to tell you nor sell you anything about the "left" nor the "right". I doubt anyone could, and I'm not fool enough to try. If only you could say the same. You seem to have had your wagon wheels pretty well mired in those ruts all by yourself long before I got here .
You flatter yourself, sir. As for the single bar officer, that is just plain insulting. No sergeant need allow that.

My wagon was rutted in the 'left' track for many, many years. Then I grew up and saw the world as it truly is. Some, just never grow out of unicorns and rainbows. Which is fine, as long as they don't have to stand watch on the parapet, they can stay snug in the basement and 'nuance' their way to socialism. It's a semi-free country.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 03:39
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Oh, Dear.

Thank you for making my point for me regarding differing interpretations. My first sentence was in response to the second half or so of cavuman1's final sentence, nothing more. You gave it far more scope than was indicated, intended, or warranted. I believe the circus will continue, though I'm happy to be proven wrong, political circuses being what they are and generally continuing long after all the entertainment value is gone. See how that works? So the remainder of your first paragraph was nothing to do with what I wrote, it's just you launching into your talking points.

Regarding your second paragraph. Maybe. And maybe not. See my reply to fltlt below, who was rather more nuanced than you were. I don't know that fltlt is right nor wrong, just as I don't know if I am. I see you're not burdened by any such uncertainty, which is a fine characteristic in an officer with but a single bar on his collar. The rest of your second paragraph was just more omnidirectional spleen venting.

I'm not trying to tell you nor sell you anything about the "left" nor the "right". I doubt anyone could, and I'm not fool enough to try. If only you could say the same. You seem to have had your wagon wheels pretty well mired in those ruts all by yourself long before I got here. I'll thank you not to project your own ideology onto whatever you seem to think mine is. I'll simply point out that it's something about which you haven't the vaguest clue.

As for my final paragraph, your entire posting simply confirms it.

I suspect in person you'd be a bit more civil, but perhaps I'm wrong there. I often am. So we share that.



And that is one interpretation (indeed one of the ones I was thinking of and don't disagree with). It even perhaps is the one Kavanaugh intended, though I think it unlikely that opinions will be unified on that. I find nothing to argue with in your statement, but if we were having a civil glass I might ask you to expand upon it.
With a civil glass I would point out that for the 30 plus hours of question and answer, some of which were so repetitive they would choke a horse, his demener and answers were civil, he expanded on areas that he felt needed to be taken in context, clarified the “truncate the question to fit the narrative” questions, conducted himself as I personally would have expected him to.
Repeatedly he referred to the Constitution and laws of the land applying to everyone, equally, and therein I believe the way of weighing both sides arguments in regards to precedent and law came into play.
Apart from the utter frustration knowing that no matter what he said, no matter how many times he said it, roughly half of the commitee were never going to vote for him.

That is not the way the courts work, the Senate Judiciary Commitee certainly shouldn’t, and I believe his statement was a reminder to the Democratic and Republicans, that politics has no place in the process.

His comment “Gone from advise and consent to search and destroy” illustrates how far outside the lines laid down by the founding fathers the process now finds itself.

Another comment regarding the court “is used politically because Congress has a problem writing law” using the Court to enact legislation by law, again that was never in the Constitution, the Court is supposed to be the 3rd branch of Govt, equal, but seperate, what it is now is anything but at times.

In a fantasy world, a judge should not be viewed as right or left, swinging the court one way or another with political appointees, that should be unacceptable, the only qualification should be how they have applied the law over their careers, are they following the laws, regardless of political sentiment.

But that’s my fantasy world.

I may be wrong, but I think that he will actually become the centralizing figure on the court in time. I look forward to reading his decisions/opinions to see if I am correct, or not.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 11:25
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My wagon was rutted in the 'left' track for many, many years.
Was this before or after you sported chevrons?
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Watch the "wrap up smear" on C Span
Or how to start a second revolution as it should be called.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4674689/wrap-smear
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