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Old 27th Sep 2018, 17:05
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A judge is required to be of good character. Kavanaugh seems to have been lying rather bigly about who he was at Georgetown Prep if he really is someone of good character. Semantics again: compare his self-description in his yearbook and his later, half-joking statement that "What happens at Georgetown, stays at Georgetown," to his latest statements during his Fox News interview (when a Supreme Court candidate doing such an interview shows a real lapse in judgement itself). Something does not add up with those three things, so that it seems that this fellow is a liar, that is, someone not of good character.

To be a successful pilot in Africa, as I have been, often means being a most shameless liar. Well, usually you are lying to some S.O.B. with a gun who is trying to impede you in the prompt performance of your assigned rounds, so that it's either show up late or never, or else fool that bastard into getting out of your way; either speak with a forked tongue or else be a good little altar boy and just sit there until Hell freezes over. Still, a lie is a lie, and no matter the reason why. I lost my absolute respect for speaking truth a long time ago.

Now, how about Brett Kavanaugh? Should he tell the absolute unvarnished truth about what he wrote back then, that it was either somewhat true or else that it was a pack of lies meant to build him up in front of his pack of preppie pals. and then perhaps scupper his chances of bagging the ultimate legal position in the USA? Or should he, umm, prevaricate a bit more in front of a friendly audience and hope that does the trick? Those who want to see him on the Court will go along with his BS, while those who were against him should not be that much more against him, so that he did a pretty good job of fogging whatever the truth of all this might be; he certainly did not come clean.

OB, I agree with what you wrote about various professions; I have no idea where you see me attempting to brush off what you said.

One requirement for holding an FAA ATPL is that you are "of good moral character," whatever that means. I suppose that if you were convicted of certain categories of sexual abuse then, yes, you might find yourself barred from holding that license. I suppose that would be the same for a doctor. Of course it would have to be a lot something a lot worse than whatever Kavanaugh got up to as far as we now know, but then the bar is set much higher for a Supreme Court justice, or at least it should be.

EC, what is your malfunction? Ford, Ramirez and others have spoken of sex abuse done by Kavanaugh: " ... testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact."

If I were to state that "EC kicked my dog," that is evidence that EC kicked my dog. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, though. Maybe I don't even own a dog!

Let's imagine that EC is running for Dog Warden of Podunk, so that this matters somewhat. Get me to give my testimony under oath, and send the sheriff around to ask if I do own a dog, and if anyone else saw EC kick my dog. If all that lines up then he's not a suitable candidate for Dog Warden. Or ... none of this happened: I do not even own a dog. Either way, someone needs to investigate on the basis of that evidence. Otherwise Podunk ends up with a Dog Warden some people do not fully trust, because they think he kicks dogs.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 18:17
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post

I doubt she will actually testify. On pain of perjury, if she is not truthful, she will be swimming in sweat in no time, stutter, and fail.


Well, I have to admit when I am wrong. I thought that she would not only appear, but that she would comport herself believably and with dignity and authenticity. Now, just as Concours so presciently predicted albeit in wildly unsubstantiated opinion, it seems that she has skipped town and her story is coming to grief--falling in upon itself as would a house of cards.

Oh...what is that? She did appear and she is comporting herself believably and with dignity and authenticity? Good thing I did not listen to unsubstantiated opinion.

BTW, if this is merely a smear campaign then why did the party opposite not go after Justice Gorsuch?
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 18:31
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Heya Fred,

I'm betting a shot of cheap whisky you've never been through witness prep? Ford has had a full WEEK of full time, multiple experts honing and tuning every word, phrase, and utterance. She working from a prepared script. She's been cross-examined likely 20 times by 3-4 different mock prosecutors. Every action, reaction, and facial gesture has been finely prepared. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I believe that she believes every word that has been put in her head in the past week by a large cadre of professional Dem operatives(three attys, two counselors and who knows how many coaches).
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 19:53
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What a stupid decision by the Republicans to do this cross-examination style with the help of a hired prosecutor, it did not do them any favours. Too bad that they had to resort to that because they only had white old men as committee members to do the questioning instead.

Even FOX of all news channel has this to say:

"Fox News Sunday" moderator Chris Wallace said "this is a disaster for the Republicans."
Nuff said.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 20:06
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
What a stupid decision by the Republicans to do this cross-examination style with the help of a hired prosecutor, it did not do them any favours. Too bad that they had to resort to that because they only had white old men as committee members to do the questioning instead.

Even FOX of all news channel has this to say:



Nuff said.
You don’t understand politics then. Look up the word optics.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 20:10
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The alt-left and progs got what they wanted. Damaged image of the Republicans, and some nasty sound bites to see how much of a train wreck they could foment before a big election. I'm sure all the frothing will sway a few votes, but I'm also sure there will be plenty who will see all the sham in this staged drama and say 'WTF?' The Republicans in the senate have done EVERYTHING they can to be considerate. Would the liberals be so engaging if the roles were reversed? Ellison? Hello? Bill Clinton. Who? Lewinsky? Never heard of her.

It's how the game is played. The Republicans got their feet muddy. In the end, the candidate is going to be confirmed, and seated on the bench. By early Nov, no one is going to remember anything about this charade, and Dems are going to keep #Walkaway from the party of elitism, double standards, and partisan dirty tricks.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 20:39
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Holy mackerel, Judge Kavanaugh held nothing back. Knowing he likely won’t get any votes from the Democrats allowed him to call it as he sees it.

I like him even more now.

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Old 27th Sep 2018, 21:53
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I bet that you do!

It's that way that he has with women, right? Hugh Hefner has gone to that big cat-house in the sky, but now there's a new stud on the block. Take it away, Brett!

Ha-ha-ha ... just kidding! What is with this guy? Kavanaugh looks as if he's been formed out of cookie dough.

How about a tag-team match, no holds barred, between Avenatti and Daniels vs. Trump and Kavanaugh? Pay per view on that one would bring in enough to pay off our national debt, I guess.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 21:55
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Grassley is an embarrassment as committee chairperson. He can't even read his own words or conduct a fair hearing.

It's time that the committee chairmen step aside for polished spokepersons under public televised hearings.


He is as bad as Trump at making points in a debate format. Other than that maybe he can just cast a vote because he doesn't come across to the rest of the US
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 22:49
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A few days ago Judge Kavanaugh spoke and acted as one would expect of a jurist. Today, not so much. The slide has been remarkable.
If he makes it on to the Supreme Court, he will be the gift that keeps on giving for the Democrats.

One can only hope.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 23:09
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Holy mackerel, Judge Kavanaugh held nothing back. Knowing he likely won’t get any votes from the Democrats allowed him to call it as he sees it.

I like him even more now.


Howdy. I noticed Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s attorney, (among others) is a man named Michael Bromwich. He was an appointee to the Ocean Project by Obama.

He also represents ....... Andy McCabe. Right, that Andy McCabe, the one who was Strzok’s handler at FBI during the “insurance policy/coup d’etat”.

The assistant Director of FBI....BEFORE HE WAS FIRED FOR LYING.

Interesting?
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
BTW, if this is merely a smear campaign then why did the party opposite not go after Justice Gorsuch?

Wasnt the argument that Gorsuch simply replaced an existing right-wing Justice and maintained the existing balance of the court. Kavannagh on the other hand will be replacing a moderate swing vote and will skew the court to the right for a generation.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 23:58
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post


Howdy. I noticed Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s attorney, (among others) is a man named Michael Bromwich. He was an appointee to the Ocean Project by Obama.

He also represents ....... Andy McCabe. Right, that Andy McCabe, the one who was Strzok’s handler at FBI during the “insurance policy/coup d’etat”.

The assistant Director of FBI....BEFORE HE WAS FIRED FOR LYING.

Interesting?
interesting yes, surprising no. I believe creepy porn star lawyer is in the mix as well.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 00:02
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Originally Posted by jack11111 View Post
A few days ago Judge Kavanaugh spoke and acted as one would expect of a jurist. Today, not so much. The slide has been remarkable.
If he makes it on to the Supreme Court, he will be the gift that keeps on giving for the Democrats.

One can only hope.
What? Because he's human and is tired of the Senate democrats abusing him? More than ever I now know he can call balls and strikes accurately.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 00:50
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Westie,
Point being, Avenatti has no juice in the Agency. Bromwich owns the operators’ manual at FBI. This is why, as part of the project, Bromwich is important, and why the Dems are insisting on an FBI “investigation.” The important part of the equation has to do with induction of a probe into the Ford matter. Once initiated, no Trump nominee could be confirmed before change of seating in the Senate in January. (Should the Dems hit 51 post midterm.)

This seat is existential for pro choice. If the Senate stays D+ Until 2020, we could easily have Ginsberg “light”.

Clinton lost over a billion dollars on Election night, not counting the retainers she had to return to hundreds of “players” in US economy, security roulette.

We remain in the Presidential campaign. It did not stop for the DNC. If they get their evil wish, we will never see another President who has the cojones to rock the tanker of profit and loss (US). Obama redux unto eternity.



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Old 28th Sep 2018, 03:21
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post

Westie,
Point being, Avenatti has no juice in the Agency. Bromwich owns the operators’ manual at FBI. This is why, as part of the project, Bromwich is important, and why the Dems are insisting on an FBI “investigation.” The important part of the equation has to do with induction of a probe into the Ford matter. Once initiated, no Trump nominee could be confirmed before change of seating in the Senate in January. (Should the Dems hit 51 post midterm.)

This seat is existential for pro choice. If the Senate stays D+ Until 2020, we could easily have Ginsberg “light”.

Clinton lost over a billion dollars on Election night, not counting the retainers she had to return to hundreds of “players” in US economy, security roulette.

We remain in the Presidential campaign. It did not stop for the DNC. If they get their evil wish, we will never see another President who has the cojones to rock the tanker of profit and loss (US). Obama redux unto eternity.



oh no, Avenatti is more inmportant to the global perspective than you give him credit for. He’s considering throwing his hat in the ring for 2020. He’s not going away soon.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 05:35
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Bizarre debate no one knows if he is innocent or not. It does show the depths American politics has sunk too though that every single person's position stems from what they want politically. Not what is right. There should be due process for him, and his accuser. I'm not sure people would write off the accusations easily if they hit their own snowflake buttons.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 05:46
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oh no, Avenatti is more inmportant to the global perspective than you give him credit for. He’s considering throwing his hat in the ring for 2020. He’s not going away soon.
My nephew went to law school with him. Nephew says that outside of show biz, he is universally despised, and even those on the left see him as a tool, but not an integral part of any movement for the political future. I recall his comment went something like; 'after dealing with Avenatti for a short time, even the other lawyers want to go home and shower'. He may have some street cred, but it will never translate among the DNC circuit. Which makes a certain amount of sense as the people who run the DNC are all fossils, except for Perez, or whatever his name is.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 05:55
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post
Bizarre debate no one knows if he is innocent or not. It does show the depths American politics has sunk too though that every single person's position stems from what they want politically. Not what is right. There should be due process for him, and his accuser. I'm not sure people would write off the accusations easily if they hit their own snowflake buttons.
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Where is it you think due process exists?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 05:58
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
My nephew went to law school with him. Nephew says that outside of show biz, he is universally despised, and even those on the left see him as a tool, but not an integral part of any movement for the political future. I recall his comment went something like; 'after dealing with Avenatti for a short time, even the other lawyers want to go home and shower'. He may have some street cred, but it will never translate among the DNC circuit. Which makes a certain amount of sense as the people who run the DNC are all fossils, except for Perez, or whatever his name is.
Much the same was said about Trump wrt running, RNC acceptance and staying power.

I pray he does run, Washington politics is so boring these days, could use a little spicing up.
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