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Old 12th Sep 2018, 17:26
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Foul winds ahead

Stay safe Yanks! Watching/reading the news and it looks as if Florence is going to pack a wallop. We have freinds in the Raleigh area and for the first time since I have known them I noticed a bit of concern in their voices...perhaps it was the FaceTime connection or perhaps not...

If any of the PPRuNe intelocuters reside in the path of that beast take the best of care. Hate to have one of the regular voices here, however errant and misinformed 😉, to suffer loss.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 18:18
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There may be no Democrat (sic) Party in 2020 at this rate.....

Agree, quite possibly not.
The Old Republican party has been crumbling for years - John McCain was one of the last survivors.

So what we have now is the New Republican Party, whose representatives are wholly owned by mega-corporations, and a double handful of very very wealthy people.
The US may well become the United Republican State, just as the USSR/Russia is now.
The Sixth Estate will crush the 5th and 4th Estate and America will become MUCH easier to govern.

So Concours, OBG and the rest, you will have WON (the most important thing)

And then? Or as Hans Fallada wrote, "Kleiner Mann, was nun?"

Give us a vision of what you have in mind for the New America. I think that by now we all have a pretty good idea who/what you DON'T want to see!

What would YOU like to see in the New Utopia (apart from a ferking great Wall)?

What sort of Executive? Should the President's powers be limited in any way? Fixed Term of Office or Indefinite?
What sort of Legislative? A Congress presumably, and some sort of Senate, but a House of Representatives?
What sort of Judicial? Are they really needed, apart from resolving minor legal quibbling?

Of course big hunks of the Constitution would have to be rewritten; but it is, after all, a document drawn up for matters as they stood in 1787, not 231 years later!

So go for it, guys 'gals - what do YOU think best for America?

Mac

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 18:36
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Sorry there Mac, WE hold pretty much all the cards. Don't have to justify our existence or continued move back to liberty and individualism. It's all written down for us in the founding documents. They are avail anywhere for you to read.

It's the left that wants to 'transform the US to a new state'. Whatever the hell that means. Who's going to lead? Bernie? He's 426 years old. Booker? He has a 300Lb brick on his shoulder and the IQ of a cartoon bunny. Pocahontas? That might be the best bet, but she has - no - platform. "I'm a native Amer" is going to get her 142 votes in AZ, and another 272 in NM. She's only a few million short of a landslide. Plus, she has no 'win' behind her. She's been a follower all her life. Trying to garner poor, poor, pitiful me by aligning oneself with a minority is not going to play well in Peoria.

So - come on. Where's the Dem winner? How can you top what Trump has done in just 2 years? He's still got two more years of winning ahead. What's gonna happen?

Now, if you wanna talk about pols being bought by big business I think we should look at the income from the Clinton Global Initiative for 2016, and then 2017, and 2018. Corp and foreign govts showered the CGI with millions up to the day of the election. Once she lost - gee, where did all those good donations to CHARITY go? Since only about 6% of the money ever went to the actual needy, I guess the rest of it was given back to the donors. Oh - wait....
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 19:04
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Now, MAC, let's get serious here.

I don't have much knowledge of the SA Constitution, but a 20 second search suggests that your country has had FIVE constitutions, and the one in place right now has been there since 1997. Get back to us, if you will, after it has been functioning for 100 years or so. Given the history of African constitutions, though, I would at the very least be sceptical.

I don't mind if you want to define us as the New Republican Party. So long as you understand that the NRP is actually aiming to be the "Old Republican Party". One which holds that 230 year-old Constitution as its right and proper charter. The current rather messy step involves getting rid of the entrenched political establishment which seeks to maintain its own personal hold on the populace. The Senate is full of them: McCain was one. Leahy. Hatch. Guys who thought "collegiality among senators" was the purpose of their existence. Just listen to the rubbish coming from their mouths during the recent Judiciary hearings.

The Trump reign (!) is a complete success for only one thing: Fixing the damage done to the country by a Supreme Court intent on trying to eliminate that Constitutional Tradition. For that alone, I am thankful that She Who Isn't Named did not win in 2016.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 19:56
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It appears Robert Mueller, special council, has more approval than Don John Trump regarding Russian election interference.

Quote: "(CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's approval rating for handling the Russia investigation stands at 50% in a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. That outpaces President Donald Trump's approval rating on the matter by 20 points."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/12/polit...gap/index.html

Going down.

On a better note, hurricane Flo has weakened to a Cat 3.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 21:08
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The Founders built a government they then gave to their greatest critics. I don’t give a rip about polls, especially emanating from CNN.

Polls are pretend weapons used to discourage the cowardly.

I for one want no part of a New America. Great again works for me.

I believe in the American Process. It works like this. “The people direct the Federal Government to do these things on this list” If you fail, you will be replaced. If it isn’t on this list (the enumerated Powers) Pound Sand.

The Left of today is what the Founders feared, a direct and unruly electorate. Mercurial, impatient, biased, deaf, and demanding.

That is why we were blessed with a democratic REPUBLIC.... “Short term GAIN, long term PAIN” is the anthem of the Left.
A new story every day, plenty of free shit, and self esteem that comes out of nowhere, for no particular reason.

A fairy tale. The “Company Store” is morphing people’s lives into perpetual childhood: dependence, myth, and blank stares.

Who think they run things, and demand and get whatever they say, whether they want it or not. Ordering people how to think, what to think and what to say....on pain of violence.

It may get ugly, but in the end, it will be ok. America is the toughest broad downtown.


WHOA....McCain was a Republican? Who knew. I figured his colleagues never had the balls to tell him he was sitting on the wrong side of the room.



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Old 12th Sep 2018, 21:46
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Well, I can't answer all at once, but I can try.

Here I am, a zillion miles away with very old and fond memories of the USA.

EC, I don't know what you mean by "we hold all the cards" - Good? Bad? In a poker game someone who always holds all the cards is either a card sharp or very good indeed (which the Republican party is not). True enough there are no inspiring Democratic leaders in sight - I like Warren but she doesn't have enough edge, Sanders is an eccentric 'ol coot who couldn't lead a Boy Scout troupe and Hilary has a deviousness that makes my skin crawl. Conversely, neither DJT or the annointed Pence are exactly inspiring.

I do believe that ALL countries need a credible political opposition, if only to keep the government in power on it's toes. Our DA did better than expected because Zuma was such an obvious rogue, but Maimane, though the right color, hasn't the balls that Zille has. Luckily Ramaphosa is smart enough to juggle all the factions and is beholden to no-one.

Yes, South Africa has had five constitutions if you go back far enough, but only one that counts, the one that was hammered out after the 1992 Referendum - yours was a nasty and completely unfair comment. I can understand that you might want to just lump us in with all the other failed N****r states but I think we have at least the potential of much more.

If "...the NRP is actually aiming to be the "Old Republican Party". One which holds that 230 year-old Constitution as its right and proper charter" then three cheers! But in a multi-party state representing ALL the people there has to be there has to be some mutual respect, some-give-and-take and eventual consensus. You can't make everybody happy. Without that (as it is now) it ceases to be a government of the people by the people and becomes an autocracy by the ruling party. You may think that a good thing, but the lessons of history are against you.

I totally agree with you when you say, "The Left of today is what the Founders feared, a direct and unruly electorate. Mercurial, impatient, biased, deaf, and demanding."

In the end it may be a good thing for America, it is just unfortunate (or perhaps inevitable) that it took such a dishonest and thoroughly unpleasant man as DJT to set fire to the underbrush.

Hopefully at the end you will get a leader who earns respect, who cares more about Americans than himself and that America can be proud of.

Mac
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 23:19
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Wonít happen, canít happen.

America only has to be wise every two, four, or six years. We have been electing assholes, with few exceptions, since General Washington, (a splendid man, who served reluctantly, so we know he was a man of wisdom).

Until the electorate gets to learn civics and government again, stops reading the National Enquirer, and understands what community actually demands, we will get a Clinton, a Kerry, a Bush, an Obama, whatever. Charlatans who pretend to be what they think we want well enough to earn a Peace Prize before doing anything, only on the come.





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Old 12th Sep 2018, 23:30
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MAC:
There was not the slightest nasty intent in my comment. You wrote a long post excoriating the views of those of us who see the progress being made in this administration. You somehow concluded that we wanted constitutional revision, apparently to allow unlimited power to the presidency.

You then added that you were pleased with SA's constitution. Well so are most of us, and we wish SA continued success on its path to a proud and respected nationhood. I hope like hell you can avoid the morass the rest of Africa has exhibited, but in my opinion you are a young country, a work yet in progress.

But this thread is about America. Our particular strength is that that very Constitution has survived more or less intact for all those 231 years. It survived a massive Civil War. It does not need rewriting. It does not need to be reworded for modern times. It does need to have its principles recognized and applied to the conditions of today. Our Democrat opposition would like nothing better than to see a complete gutting and reassembly of the Constitution to suit their aims.

As an aside, today I saw an editorialist carrying on like a maniac, convinced that Trump and his "minions" (I presume, "Me") want to rescind the 22nd amendment to allow Trump to be President-For-Life. Well that idea is largely one popular on certain other continents, but it certainly has no traction here.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 23:35
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Concourse, Iím not sure if you ever came across a one time profligate poster on here going by the handle SASless. Apart from sharing remarkably similar ideologies, you also seem to share equally extraordinarily diverse CVís. In fact, Iíd nearly be convinced that you are one in the same except for the Fact that you donít tend to inject Random Capitals into your marginally more eloquent but equally tendentious prose. I donít suppose you ever worked for the FBI too perchance?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 01:58
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Concourse, Iím not sure if you ever came across a one time profligate poster on here going by the handle SASless. Apart from sharing remarkably similar ideologies, you also seem to share equally extraordinarily diverse CVís. In fact, Iíd nearly be convinced that you are one in the same except for the Fact that you donít tend to inject Random Capitals into your marginally more eloquent but equally tendentious prose. I donít suppose you ever worked for the FBI too perchance?
Is SASless Scandinavian? A Nordic Pilot? I have never been employed by the FBI.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 03:55
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SAS (Stabiity Augmentation System)

Hempy, if you get the chance to get to know our SASless then you will know not to mix him up with this other right-winger.

SASless shared my space, along with a couple of my bar cards He did that uninvited, when that was not a violation of our House Rules. (I was an aviator when he was merely a helicopter pilot, and envy can drive one to do terrible things. Scrambled eggs on the brim of your cap, or scrambled eggs on your shirtfront; we are all created equal but later some of us rise and some of us sink.)

SASless is a good man despite having a few flaws; I fear that he did vote the straight Trump-Pence ticket. I had preached liberalism to him a few times but, hey, we were both drunk then, and anyway it takes a very subtle mind to appreciate Hillary Clinton. My seeds of liberal wisdom fell upon stony ground; I failed to reform him.

Wouldn't it be a dull world if we were all the same?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 09:55
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Thank you all for the replies.

Okay, "...the NRP is actually aiming to be the "Old Republican Party". One which holds that 230 year-old Constitution as its right and proper charter" - an admirable and I hope successful goal.

I can't help but think that this is going to be quite difficult, given that the Republican Party, as it is, is sustained and supported by immense extra-governmental financial resources that have pushed the the Republicans so far to the Right. They may not be so keen on it, and President Trump has amply rewarded them.

Mac

PS: I'm not enthralled by the Democrats BTW. Their far-left wing has pushed them just as far to the Left and people don't like that either. They will have to take a long hard look at their direction before they can become a political force again. Any government needs to have a credible opposition to provide the balance that IMHO America currently lacks.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
Thank you all for the replies.

Okay, "...the NRP is actually aiming to be the "Old Republican Party". One which holds that 230 year-old Constitution as its right and proper charter" - an admirable and I hope successful goal.

I can't help but think that this is going to be quite difficult, given that the Republican Party, as it is, is sustained and supported by immense extra-governmental financial resources that have pushed the the Republicans so far to the Right. They may not be so keen on it, and President Trump has amply rewarded them.

Mac

PS: I'm not enthralled by the Democrats BTW. Their far-left wing has pushed them just as far to the Left and people don't like that either. They will have to take a long hard look at their direction before they can become a political force again. Any government needs to have a credible opposition to provide the balance that IMHO America currently lacks.
Well said as always Mac. I agree with your point about the Democrats. I am not sure how accurate the reporting is, but apparently more and more Americans are identifying as Independents. I believe there have been swings in this direction before, but this time it might actually be gaining traction as the disillusionment is growing.

The old guard of the Democrats are down right ancient and seem to offer nothing but geriatric tropes. Boxer will be in her nineties and still in saddle should she win office again...seriously? What kind of nonsense is that? Yet the upstarts in the party are pretty far left and perhaps unpalatable for many. it seems the party is squandering an opportunity to be a legitimate opposition party which is a shame for the only proper way to definitively defeat Trumpism is at the ballot box.

What frightens me most about the political situation in the U.S. is that because the Democrats are offering only the thinest of gruel, it only strengthens those voices, many heard on this very thread, who wish for the U.S. to be a single party state. I know we hear that in Britain, but it seems to be particularly acute with the American republicans. Is single party rule ever the best? No, of course not.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 12:21
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@Chuks

Since you seem to be acquainted with SASless do you have any clue as to his odd use of capitalisation? I certainly don't pretend to be the arbiter of accepted American spelling, but I was always intrigued by that style. Was it just an act to be provacative? I felt it was but never understood its purpose as such. To what end?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 14:10
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
Well, I can't answer all at once, but I can try.

Here I am, a zillion miles away with very old and fond memories of the USA.

EC, I don't know what you mean by "we hold all the cards" - Good? Bad?

Mac
Well, first let's test your computer and see if there's a problem with it.

LMGTFY

Now, if that happens to work, we can get back to the subject. First, you make a comment about the Republicans being pushed to the right. Well sir, I've lived in this great country for more than 60 years, and I have to say it's been turbulent, but nothing could be further from the truth. We had civil rights movement in the 60s led by the liberals, ended segregation(which was started by the left, then abandoned when it was shown to be racist), we had Roe v Wade, unlimited abortions, crack downs on 2nd A gun ownership nationally, we've moved far left on to equality for gays, trans, and whatever. A prev admin which ignored the sovereignty of the US, and exported illegal guns to a third world shithole. I can't see where the Republicans have moved even slightly to the right, much less far to the right. The conservatives have lost almost ever civil debate of the past 50 years. So, don't come crying around here with your whining about the US moving to the right. It's a huge lie.

Next up, you continue to attack the Republicans for being supported by the extra-govt financial resources. Well, let me get right to it. Just today, we have the 2nd in command of Google, a multi-billion dollar public company decrying the loss by Clinton in 2016. I thought he was gonna actually cry, right there on the stage! Clinton was fully, and totally supported by: Google, FaceBook, Microsoft, Yahoo, George Soros, the Clinton Global Initiative(and hundreds of millions of foreign money), IBM, and a few dozen other mega-corp players. The left argued vehemently that 'money' was not equivalent to free speech. Then - like the MASSIVE hypocrites they are - all the did was raid billions from private wealth to fund their own campaign! I can't make this shit up, it's so hilarious to listen to libs whine about being corp stooges. Let's not forget Clinton selling Russian oligarchs 25% of the US nuclear Uranium stockpile(but - trickily hiding the sale through Canada, eh?). Boggles the mind.

Did you know(of course not), Clinton outspent Trump in soft money by more than 3 to 1 in the campaign? Did you know that the DNC outspent the RNC/GOP by more than 30% in the campaign? If you want to talk about trying to buy elections, go to the FEC and look it up! Or, simply go back in this thread and find the links I posted showing the financing. So - take your 'immense extra-governmental resources' hypocrisy and look in a mirror. the LEFT is the problem with trying to buy elections, not the right.

Now, on to the future. One of the recent posts advocated for a strong opposition party, to keep the political shenanigans in check. First - given that >90% of the media are liberal, I doubt that any kind of uni-party of the right could do anything underhanded and get away with it for more than a few hours. Heck, the prez can't even fly the flag how he wants it without massive OUTRAGE meter being pegged on every news organization in the world. Next, I happen to sort of agree that a 'loyal opposition' exists. Which is why I'm looking to the Dems/Socialists to tell me who's going to bear the flag over there? Where is your leadership? Who are your new Kennedy's? What do the lib/socialists have to look forward to in the coming years?

UF mentioned that more and more are identifying as Independents. Well, I'm afraid for the Dems - it's much worse than that. People are leaving the Dems in droves. Very few are leaving the Republican party, but the fleeing of middle class voters from the Dems is becoming a flood. Strange(not really), people want success. Success is a great ship to sail, and failure causing things to sink, and all the Dems have had for 10 years is failure. BO was a massive let down, and following up with Clinton was a master-stroke of stupidity. I can't imagine how people who tell me they are soooooooo smart could have thought that Hillary was a really good choice. She has more baggage than the Titanic. Read some of these. Even though Twitter just BANNED the originator of the "#walkaway" thread for simply mentioning another conservative blog(again, you'll have to google Brandon Straka, I can't post twitter links here). How desperate are you? Yes, I know that Facebook is a privately held company, and they can ban anyone they want. But - is this the kind of party you want to be associated with? Liberty for only those that speak just like the rest of us? Now you maybe understand why I'm a fan of 'loyal opposition' because the left is so bent on destroying those who have shown such great success on the right.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=group&refid=18

Spend a few minutes and read what's happening to the Dem core, and even some of the minorities. Powerful stuff. But - strangely, you don't hear or see anyone on the right exiting their party. Hmmmmmm

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Old 13th Sep 2018, 15:02
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ďAmerica loves two things, a healthy economy and a winner.Ē
With the sheeple holding such vague, lowbrow, simplistic aspirations its no wonder they think they are winning!
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 15:17
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Powerful stuff. But - strangely, you don't hear or see anyone on the right exiting their party. Hmmmmmm
Actually the party of the right are adding new members ever since the successful Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, VA. New member additions include, alt-right, neo-Confederates, white nationalist, Klansmen, neo-Nazis and various militias. Must be the good folks the Trumpster was referring to in his initial remarks about Charlottesville... David Duke is pleased.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 15:51
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Ethical,

Actually the party of the right are adding new members ever since the successful Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, VA. New member additions include, alt-right, neo-Confederates, white nationalist, Klansmen, neo-Nazis and various militias. Must be the good folks the Trumpster was referring to in his initial remarks about Charlottesville... David Duke is pleased.
And how many would those be do you think, a couple of thousand perhaps. A force to be reckoned with!

The drumbeats go on.
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Happy Days Are Here Again With Trump's Good New



Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker Paul Ryan listen as President Trump speaks during a meeting with Republican lawmakers at the White House. (Evan Vucci/AP)

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