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Old 5th Sep 2018, 20:22
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“Again, wrong, statewide races are not impacted at all by gerrymandering.”

According to the Harvard Law Review regarding Wisconsin:

Over the course of several months, staff members of Republican legislativedrafted district maps that achieved varying levels of partisanadvantage. The team used redistricting software that provided data on population demographics and current political boundaries to help them make decisions and to keep an eye on adherence to state and federal requirements. The drafters also used the software to create a metric to assess the partisan composition of new districts, confirming with a political science professor that their score was an accurate proxy for an area’s political makeup.

That same professor provided the drafters with visuals depicting “the partisan performance of a particular map under all likely electoral scenarios” and "that Republicans would maintain a majority under any likely voting scenario".

Sounds like political parties, particularly the republicans, go to extraordinary lengths to gerrymander when elections are “not impacted at all”.

“Given the economic uptick (as Clinton famously said: "It's the economy, stupid.") it is very likely he will be re-elected in 2020.”

Its very likely in 2020 Trump will be dealing with the next inevitable economic downturn (this one will be significantly larger than the GFC).

“…..namely that white folks just had to stop being so dominant and minorities were right in most all their demands”

That’s a great sound bite but maybe we should flip this around. Why should whites be dominant? Why should any race be dominant? And exactly what “demands” have minorities been making?

“But keep sending us the money”

I would be really interested to know whom you think is in the photograph and whom you think America “sends money” to.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:19
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Harvard law review is a student published journal.

Can you cite settled law?
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:19
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
“Again, wrong, statewide races are not impacted at all by gerrymandering.”

According to the Harvard Law Review regarding Wisconsin:

Over the course of several months, staff members of Republican legislativedrafted district maps that achieved varying levels of partisanadvantage. The team used redistricting software that provided data on population demographics and current political boundaries to help them make decisions and to keep an eye on adherence to state and federal requirements. The drafters also used the software to create a metric to assess the partisan composition of new districts, confirming with a political science professor that their score was an accurate proxy for an area’s political makeup.

That same professor provided the drafters with visuals depicting “the partisan performance of a particular map under all likely electoral scenarios” and "that Republicans would maintain a majority under any likely voting scenario".

Sounds like political parties, particularly the republicans, go to extraordinary lengths to gerrymander when elections are “not impacted at all”.

“Given the economic uptick (as Clinton famously said: "It's the economy, stupid.") it is very likely he will be re-elected in 2020.”

Its very likely in 2020 Trump will be dealing with the next inevitable economic downturn (this one will be significantly larger than the GFC).

“…..namely that white folks just had to stop being so dominant and minorities were right in most all their demands”

That’s a great sound bite but maybe we should flip this around. Why should whites be dominant? Why should any race be dominant? And exactly what “demands” have minorities been making?

“But keep sending us the money”

I would be really interested to know whom you think is in the photograph and whom you think America “sends money” to.
As to Statewide. Any office voted upon by the entire state electorate. Governor. US Senator. State Attorney General. State Secretary of State. Etc.

Gerrymandering has no effect on any statewide election. As I said.

As to the lower portion of your post, I see no photograph, and nothing about “whites”, “dominant” etc. You had better not be referencing anything I said in regard to that odious statement.

Gerrymandering affects US Representative, and local and State districts.

clear?

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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
West Coast:

So here is a long haul, stick with it rational test for you:

Presidential Oath of Office:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Trump tweet:
"Obama era investigations, of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department. Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff......"
(Trump was obviously referring to US congressional Representatives Hunter of CA and Collins of NY)

Is Trump affirming his commitment to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States or not? I'm looking for your long haul stick with it thought...
If anyone caught the interview with Lindsey Graham during a break in the Kavanaugh hearing yesterday, you would have heard him answer the question is anyone above the law, and what he thought about the President tweeting about the two Republican indictments.
Interesting answer, in the past, both parties had an agreement that within a certain timeframe prior to elections no indictments would be brought, he lamented that things have changed so much.

One rule for them, one for us.

Same today, when asked about receiving hacked Lehy emails, he explained that staff of all Senators will share information on what their boss wants, when it suits them.

Incestuos comes to mind.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 22:07
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post


If anyone caught the interview with Lindsey Graham during a break in the Kavanaugh hearing yesterday, you would have heard him answer the question is anyone above the law, and what he thought about the President tweeting about the two Republican indictments.
Interesting answer, in the past, both parties had an agreement that within a certain timeframe prior to elections no indictments would be brought, he lamented that things have changed so much.

One rule for them, one for us.

Same today, when asked about receiving hacked Lehy emails, he explained that staff of all Senators will share information on what their boss wants, when it suits them.

Incestuos comes to mind.
The fever swamp that is the American Left have lost their compass. Here’s why.

They see Trump’s victory as an existential issue. Why? They have no faith in the American Process. Survival is not America’s problem, it is the problem of the mad progressives, and their water carriers. They are in trouble, and they fight back like a cornered animal. All is fair, no rules, lie cheat and steal, this is about survival.

Nonsense. Blue wave? People don’t vote for crazy people. Loud dramatic, lying partisans.

we’ll see.....
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 23:29
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“…..namely that white folks just had to stop being so dominant and minorities were right in most all their demands”

That’s a great sound bite but maybe we should flip this around. Why should whites be dominant? Why should any race be dominant? And exactly what “demands” have minorities been making?
I expect you won't like to hear it, but I might point out that the places where a whole bunch of "non-white folks" are now trying to move to. are mostly places where "white folks" have set up and dominated the culture.
Is there a glut of people sneaking into Africa? Is China a big goal for the disaffected? Is Japan inundated? Is the Middle East flooded with white refugees?

By and large, "white folks" are more receptive to other races and ethnicities than those selfsame races and ethnicities are.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 03:06
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Well, now we have this cry for help from within the administration:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...esistance.html

Quote from op-ed:
"It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t."

Anyone up for the 25th?

Could it be Dan Coats?


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Old 6th Sep 2018, 03:26
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Thought experiment based upon the op-ed.

Let us suppose that what Trump does, though wrong by the measure of rational folk, is determined by those folk whose business it is to determine these things to be constitutional.

Having thwarted Trump then would be what? Probably depends upon the specific individual, but I suspect all of those folk make their various oaths to The Constitution, and if you ball that up in the process of thwarting the President, you'll be alone in the wilderness.

There's the rub. There are constitutional remedies (though none too effective and certainly not efficient in my observation, and the removal of a President from office has not yet been tested) for dealing with this sort of thing. The op-ed, while not necessarily advocating operating outside of those remedies, certainly isn't actively discouraging it either. A slippery slope, that.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 04:12
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Originally Posted by jack11111 View Post
Well, now we have this cry for help from within the administration:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...esistance.html

Quote from op-ed:
"It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t."

Anyone up for the 25th?

Could it be Dan Coats?

One couldn’t wish for a better glimpse of the deep state attitude, don’t worry, we are from the Government and here to help you, we know what is best for you.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 04:24
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The op-ed, the next deep throat...

An interesting conundrum raised by a NYT reporter. Will hard news reporters employed for the NYT (not part of the editorial staff) be prohibited from investigating in an attempt to determine who the author is? If determined, will the news division be throttled by the editorial board from disclosing?

The NYT could find themselves in an ethical dilemma, a very public one.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 06:04
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
The op-ed, the next deep throat...

An interesting conundrum raised by a NYT reporter. Will hard news reporters employed for the NYT (not part of the editorial staff) be prohibited from investigating in an attempt to determine who the author is? If determined, will the news division be throttled by the editorial board from disclosing?

The NYT could find themselves in an ethical dilemma, a very public one.
Journalists?

Newspapers?

Ethics?

When did that start?
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 06:11
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At times when things seem very complex, everything is all over the place, like there is no solution, the answer is to get back to simplicity.

A quote comes to mind “If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you don’t have integrity, nothing else matters”.

We need honesty, truth, facts. With more truth, less lies, this mess would become clean.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 06:19
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What former Marines get up to ....

You always have to wonder about people who put up some sort of tough-guy façade, perhaps boasting of having spent years as one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children so would your humble scribe like to travel to Texas to have a face-to-face encounter. (Answer: No, not really, not even the bit about traveling to Texas has much appeal, while the idea of two grown men rolling around in the red dust scratching and biting and using bad language ... this is not a serious offer, or at least I hope not.)

Now it turns out that Robert Mueller, former Marine, a combat veteran who was awarded our nation's oldest decoration, the Purple Heart ... he's shown in 100 photos to have been "hugging and kissing" James Comey. (Donald Trump, in a recent interview: "And he’s [Robert Mueller is] Comey’s best friend. And I could give you 100 pictures of him and Comey hugging and kissing each other. You know, he’s Comey’s best friend.")

Holy mackerel! Some Marines bat for the other team! Well, at least one does ... according to Donald Trump.

That raises another question, though: Why does Donald Trump have a collection of 100 photos of Robert Mueller and James Comey hugging and kissing? Does Trump have more photos like those? Are they also photos of various former Marines doing this sort of thing, or just photos of male members of the general population hugging and kissing? (I bet you can find photos of Kim Jong Un hugging and kissing other men, while there is a very famous shot of Leonid Brezhnev and Erich Honecker swapping spit, and one of John Travolta giving his PA a smackeroo, but I have never bothered to collect any photos along those lines.)

Warning: You will need eye bleach after clicking on this link! https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/soc...honecker-1979/

So, Donald, this photo collection of yours ... is there anything you want to tell us about it, any little problems stemming from what must have been a difficult time at that military academy, perhaps, that led you to have made such a photo collection?
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 06:55
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What, Chuks, you couldn't find your Hitler/Goebbels photo and had to resort to a couple of senile commies?
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 07:21
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I notice in his latest rant he is claiming great performance in the polls ...through the roof he says
Ummm, actually they just took a drop.....but the truth is of little concern to a pathological liar.

I am constantly astounded that people functional enough to express themselves via a keyboard actually support this Loon
The much touted excuse of his acolytes that it is the performance of the Economy doesnt stand scrutiney, delve into it (I know you wont) and you will see it was on that track, long before the Loon in Chief became esconced on his throne
No you just like to see the other side squirm, it's simply spite and you need to wake up to the fact that it is destroying your country's credibility
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 08:40
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That's in my private collection!

Oh, yes, I could show you hundreds of pictures of Adolf and the good Doktor hugging and kissing, but those I do not share; they are not for everyone.

Or not, as the case may be. They certainly worked together very closely, Hitler and Goebbels, yes, but I don't they could fairly have been called best friends in the way that Trump imagines best friends to behave with one another.

There are some interesting insights into the mind of Trump in this, aren't there, OB? For one thing, I think it shows how little Trump knows of real friendship, how he mixes up agape with eros, seeming to know very little of either one. Yes, there are men who hug and kiss, "not that there's anything wrong with that," but that has little or nothing to do with being someone's "best friend."

I will never forget a very odd conversation in a dive in Nigeria, when this funny Dutchman kept making his points by reaching over and grabbing my leg just above the knee. "Other people, other mores," I thought. After he left, though, the Brit behind the bar burst out laughing at me, telling me that had been "Hoofter the Poofter," a notorious Dutch expat homosexual, with whom I had been having speaks. Bummer! I thought that was just the Dutch way of making friends, when he was one of the first cloggies I had met. Turns out he was a signed-up member of the Dutch Deformed Church ....
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 09:33
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For the essayist

Sir or Madam, you claim to be employed in the Executive office of the President, if you have the clearance, you have a duty to your oath and to the Executive. You are not employed to remain in an important place whilst working against your employer. All you are doing is cementing the toxic fear Americans have of the security State, and its secret spying, leaking, and monkey wrenching. You have a saviour complex. Your duty is to resign. You are not helping. If you have an important contribution to make, make it in the open, rather than undermining a process that is infected with people such as yourself, who are deluded into narcissistic games. You are not so important as you imagine. Sedition is in the Dictionary, you should seek its definition.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 16:56
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Well Concours, I start to agree with you.

If even half of Woodward's book is true (and it sounds like most of it is) then the USA does indeed have a constitutional crisis - the elected president is mentally and emotionally incapacitated and non-elected leaders run the country. "Photos of Robert Mueller and James Comey hugging and kissing?" - puhlease! The person who wrote that op-ed should step forward, resign and by whatever mechanism exists, an interim government of grown-ups should take over until things get sorted out.

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Old 6th Sep 2018, 18:46
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So - once again, Trump was right. We do have a 'deep state' and there really are 'swamp people' who are willing to thwart the legitimate form of govt in the US. NYT did the nation a service showing that the lieutenant(s) of the Caine are willing to override and mutiny the ship of state 'because we know better', and for the good of the president, the citizens, foreign leaders, waters of the US, plants, animals, including the ubiquitous snail-darter. Well, thank goodness we have at least one mutineer ready and willing to stand up and point the fickle finger in public and shout; "HE - is - not - worthy!" But wait. Hold on here. Just a second, he didn't stand up. He hid. Like a snake in the grass. Like a Quisling who takes orders from a cabal of 'crats. He fails to publicly present his arguments, but actively engages in seditious behavior that is designed to undermine, and defeat the orders, will and direction of the person who was duly elected, and inaugurated as the leader of the country.

Reinforces both of Trump's themes completely. The MSM, certainly the NYT is corrupt. They are willing to give voice to an operative within the most powerful country on the planet that it is being run by a group of deep state actors, fully outside the bounds of direction from the elected exec.

What to do about this? Accept the denials pouring in? Would you believe anyone who offers a denial now? I say, the only way to drain a swamp is to drain all of it. Either bring your 25th amendment evidence to the HR, get it in front of a panel of constitutional bound officers, or everyone except the chef is fired. Trump should call for the resignation of all cabinet members, staff, liaison, state, and military leaders right now. Clean slate, get rid of everyone, including those who are supporters.

The most important part of the Caine mutiny is not the storm, or where the strawberries went, or shirt tails, or steaming in a circle. Nope. The critical part is where the officers fail to go to the admiralty, and demand to be heard. Following that the next most important part was the last scene:


Yes - officers and gentlemen all, you were guilty. Queeg could have been supported, or removed, but they did NEITHER. Now we have our Quisling(google it). All I can say is I hope he/she meets the same fate.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 19:07
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It’s always the Norwegian, ec.

like most of the pasta thrown at the kitchen wall, this has fallen to the floor, like all the rest of the “scary stuff” that we read every day or two. It’s always “this is it!” “Eureka, he’s done...” .....read all of it again....it’s vanilla opinion, all of it.

every single thing that hits the Press, save the Tweets, is part of the ad hoc script. Edited by Hillary. If you think Hillary and Obama are laying low, think again.

”Declassify”. As if Mueller doesn’t have all the docs in his desk. He knows more about the material than anyone. This is a DRAMA. All this crap is foundation. There will be a merging of all data to date, coincident with Mueller’s report, and the sour grapes will have their fingers crossed....
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