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Old 16th Aug 2018, 21:23
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As we all know, and has been discussed here, Trump has stated numerous times that he thinks the press/media have lined up overwhelmingly to oppose him. Many of us agree, others not so much.

So what is today’s press response? Some 200 newspapers got together and coordinated their opposition to the President claiming the newspapers oppose him, by running essentialy the same editorial!

Self awareness is apparently a trait not thought to be relevant in the world of journalism.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 22:31
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The Press is an effective tool in the D toolbox. Fellow travelers as it were. The Press defines truth and objectivity as negotiable depending on whose ox is gored. They honest to God do not see the absurdity of their “collective” editorializing masquerading as “truth”. They define the narrative and its vocabulary. A kind of collective mental illness, imo.

“It isn’t a lie if you belive it...” It is the reason there is so much anger in the discussion. There is no agreement on terms, definitions, or foundation. Each recognizes the deceit in the other side, but refuses to see the problems with their own...
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 04:21
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...and now Will McRaven is asking Trump if he can yank his security clearance too - just like Brennan.
I wonder what insult Trump is going to try and conjure up for his tweet about McRaven?
Cowardly Will McRaven?
Hmmm - not really; decorated SEAL who saw combat.
Loser Will McRaven?
Weeelll - he DID get Osama. So that also probably rules out Traitor as well. Expert rifle and pistol shooter too. In fact, quite a few medals there Donald if you have a close look.
Stupid Will McRaven?.
Nope - UT Chancellor - although he did go to school on a track scholarship.
Given POTUS's 12 year old vocab, we're rapidly running out of epithets, sorry too many syllables, nasty words...

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Old 17th Aug 2018, 05:30
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Trump needs no defense, Brennan was acting improperly, behaving like a loon, and yapping to anyone who would listen about treason, which at no time had any credence. I don’t know how he ever got named Director. Oh, wait, that may have been two socialists agreeing to destroy America.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post


Yep, no turkeys for Turkey seems rather a favor than a scold.
Yes you can see many videos Turks smashing I phones etc.
What a poor country and they will still have to pay for these phones smashed.
Real good intelligence Turk.
Instead of looking at the real problem there easy to blame USA.
Turks you made your bed in a bad way now have to sleep in it.
Wish USA could leave Turkey with bases etc.
EU does not even want Turkey inside.
Maybe one day Turks will say we are not correct and try to join the rest of the world.
But that takes replacing that flat back side of head with brain.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 08:29
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So much for all that F35 engine technology then. Can you say blunder?

Rather bothering is Trump's adopted jingoistic rally call "Enemy of the People". Nice company.

"The phrase "the enemy of the people" has a long history that Trump may or may not have known about. Over the course of the last century, it has been used repeatedly by dictators and autocrats to delegitimize foreign governments, opposition parties, and dissenters.

Though the phrase dates back to Roman times and the reign of Emperor Nero (who was declared "an enemy of the people" by the Roman Senate), it came into use in the modern period during the French Revolution. Ennemi du peuple was used to refer to those who disagreed with the new French government during the "Reign of Terror," a period during which thousands of revolutionairies were executed by guillotine.

While it was featured as the name of a Henrik Ibsen play, its next prominent use was by the Nazis. During the Third Reich's rule in Germany, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels referred to Jews as "a sworn enemy of the German people" who posed a risk to Adolf Hitler's vision for the country, according to The Washington Post.

It gained its widest use by Joseph Stalin during the early years of the Soviet Union. In the nation's early years, Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin used the term vrag naroda (enemy of the nation/people) to refer to those who disagreed with the ideologies pushed forth by the Bolshevik government and, later, adopted by the newly-formed Soviet Union. This could include anyone from the clergy who did not want to adopt state-enforced atheism to writers to political opposition that questioned the ideologies of the new government. Later picked up by Stalin, such a designation could mean immediate imprisonment or removal to a labour camp."
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 08:30
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Originally Posted by 2Bad2Sad View Post
Yes you can see many videos Turks smashing I phones etc.
What a poor country and they will still have to pay for these phones smashed.
Real good intelligence Turk.
You mean, like Americans pouring French wine into gutters few years ago?
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 08:39
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
You mean, like Americans pouring French wine into gutters few years ago?
Or "freedom fries"? Had me choking on my French Fries that one.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 08:42
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Never heard about that. Much better to drink decent plonk if you want to get rid of it.
I remember Freedom Fries, but aren't they really Belgian?
And are IPhones made in China?
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 16:06
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4392206/t...nia-wildfires/
These suits probably have never been near remote forest.........or any forest.........and don't seem to understand that if you impose tariffs on a commodity, it will increase the price of that commodity.
One signed wiggle and average US new house prices go up $9,000. Going to be lots of new construction in California when they manage to get the fires out.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 16:24
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
https://globalnews.ca/news/4392206/t...nia-wildfires/
These suits probably have never been near remote forest.........or any forest.........and don't seem to understand that if you impose tariffs on a commodity, it will increase the price of that commodity.
One signed wiggle and average US new house prices go up $9,000. Going to be lots of new construction in California when they manage to get the fires out.
The best construction materials for virtually any inhabited building are steel and concrete. To be more precise, galvanized steel studs, and stucco.

Lumber is a relic of the lumber lobby. It is expensive, difficult to machine, and distorts as it dries.

We use steel, stucco and drywall.

Guess what? Steel and cementitious materials do not burn

I used to lobby for the lumber industry. I am a bit off the reservation, but lumber is just wrong for stick built homes. Manufactured dwellings are far and away cheaper, more durable, and non flammable.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 17:05
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I won't dispute that but do then wonder why so many houses are built from wood? After all, it's your money and you decide what to build with or buy.
Could it be that all you have to do is harvest the raw material and do a bit of finishing instead of having to make manufactured products from scratch?
Hunter/Gatherer instinct?

Forest fires are sometimes caused by lightning hitting trees but the most common cause is brush and debris catching fire for all sorts of reasons, including a lot of arson.
Trees fall in a forest for a reason - mostly because they die or are unable to support their growth.
It's an interesting concept to go into forests in the far beyond and cherry pick all the fallen, rotting, possibly infested timber. Just what tools do you use for that? Would that create a new class of housing - third class or something?
Far better to clear brush in danger areas, but that would take a lot of manpower, weed whackers and lawn mowers.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 17:43
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
I won't dispute that but do then wonder why so many houses are built from wood? After all, it's your money and you decide what to build with or buy.
Could it be that all you have to do is harvest the raw material and do a bit of finishing instead of having to make manufactured products from scratch?
Hunter/Gatherer instinct?

Forest fires are sometimes caused by lightning hitting trees but the most common cause is brush and debris catching fire for all sorts of reasons, including a lot of arson.
Trees fall in a forest for a reason - mostly because they die or are unable to support their growth.
It's an interesting concept to go into forests in the far beyond and cherry pick all the fallen, rotting, possibly infested timber. Just what tools do you use for that? Would that create a new class of housing - third class or something?
Far better to clear brush in danger areas, but that would take a lot of manpower, weed whackers and lawn mowers.
Defensible space is a must regardless the construction. In a wildfire, the one hundred foot buffer in the face of tornadic 2000 degree air is laughable.

As to harvesting the fall, milling it and assembly, unless you are Julia Morgan and have a huge budget, it is not practical.

Smart sustainable timbering does far more than the EPA to protect our resources, even with their blank check juvenile approach.

Harvesting burned or dead trees as lumber is not economically feasible; you ever rent a Chinook? Even as free firewood, the resource is remote, and has no real value. Leave it for the termites, they need to make a living too.

Steel studs, plates, headers and blocks are far lighter than green lumber, built to consistent standards, and one third the cost.

Listen, to each his own, I am only trying to frame the discussion. I resent people with more money than sense invading the wilderness and putting their stink on the peopleís resource.

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Old 17th Aug 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
You mean, like Americans pouring French wine into gutters few years ago?
I`d say more like "I will huff and I will puff and knock your house down". Must say though, last time I was there didn`t see any straw houses anywhere.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post
Trump needs no defense, Brennan was acting improperly, behaving like a loon, and yapping to anyone who would listen about treason, which at no time had any credence. I don’t know how he ever got named Director. Oh, wait, that may have been two socialists agreeing to destroy America.
Well, Concours old son, given they've all supported Brennan, it also now seems like 14 former CIA Directors from both Republican and Democrat admins, plus a former DNI, and 60 other CIA officials are loons as well?
Or part of the socialist plot?
Oh no sorry, they're deep state, aren't they.
Silly me.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 10:13
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
Well, Concours old son, given they've all supported Brennan, it also now seems like 14 former CIA Directors from both Republican and Democrat admins, plus a former DNI, and 60 other CIA officials are loons as well?
Or part of the socialist plot?
Oh no sorry, they're deep state, aren't they.
Silly me.
You completely miss my point. All the post revocation supporters are pitching retention of the privilege. Why wouldn't they? The perk gives them entre to millions of dollars of lobby money. In DC, a particular job description produces a tightly knit fraternity; itís about money, not circumspection in public comment. Brennan is an angry partisan, whom most insiders consider a wildly progressive type of politician. Frankly, I think itís a bit scary to have a mob of partisans form a cheerleading squad to further divide the country...

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Old 18th Aug 2018, 12:34
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I struggle to understand why a FORMER government official of any political stripe, once retired from his position, maintains a top level security clearance.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 14:36
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I struggle to understand why a FORMER government official of any political stripe, once retired from his position, maintains a top level security clearance.

Money. Money. Money. It is a perk of former service, allowing the retireds and fireds to make huge sums of money from contractors doing business with the government. Essentially, having sensitive information others don’t, the holder of the clearance can get insider information, sell it and make millions. Millions.

Nothing to do with anything but the insider deep State monetizing a feature of government impropriety, for their buds, family, and or partner(s).

James Comey. Lockheed. Six million dollars.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 14:39
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 14:58
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I struggle to understand why a FORMER government official of any political stripe, once retired from his position, maintains a top level security clearance.
It is accepted practice for the Government of the day to access former top level intelligence officials on an UNPAID basis to act as consultants in providing historical information regarding critical intelligence matters. This provides continuity of intelligence between administrations and supports detailed studies and inquiries with individuals who are fully cognizant of the material facts. Retention of security clearances allows this to happen immediately without adding delays for reclearing individuals.

This is a well trodden path employed on a non-partisan basis over many years by both parties.
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