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Old 21st Jul 2018, 04:26
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
That government behaved economically in a socialist manner (state actors controlled the economy)
This statement is patently false.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 06:33
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Originally Posted by 2Bad2Sad View Post
No one really cares what trump did banging these women before president.
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You are right, no one really cares who Trump has been banging. Which probably explains why nobody, except you, has mentioned it.

You seem to have picked up a topic nobody cares about just to indulge in a bit of 'whataboutism.'
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 09:24
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During his jaunt to Helsinki last week, Trump had an opportunity to reassure his hosts, but said NOT ONE WORD regarding threats from Putin against Finland. The President of the Russian Federation will read that as passive approval to continue threatening Finland with military action if it attempts to join NATO. A few days later Trump questioned if it would be in the United States interests to protect the most recent NATO member. Montenegro. This will be music to the ears of Putin who has his own agenda to exert Russian influence in Kosovo. Trump would do well to study the conduct of the other Clinton. Not the Secretary of State, but the PRESIDENT (this time a real one) who had the necessary leadership skills and resolve to intervene in the Yugoslavian crisis. It was an extraordinary episode. B-52’s launching from England to bomb targets on mainland Europe. The United States even airlifted Kosovar refugees to safety. Nearly thirty years later, a rogue American President not only profiles refugees for harsh treatment, he expresses contempt for the effectiveness of NATO.

Trump is either a Putin sympathiser, or totally incompetent.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 12:22
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Trump is either a Putin sympathiser, or totally incompetent.
Not necessarily a problem as long as it's America First as well.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 12:59
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Not necessarily a problem as long as it's America First as well.
The problem is that it is Trump First, always has been and always will be...
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
The problem is that it is Trump First, always has been and always will be...
He's old, rich and famous. What could he possibly want except glory and a legacy? How else could he get the glorious legacy, except by doing the best for America?
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 05:31
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Your offer is acceptable!

JammedStab, let's have a little competition right here, Trump-loving you against Trump-despising me.

It's a little, tiny, microscopic, miniscule, un-big spelling contest to see who can spell "competition" correctly. You first:

JammedStab: "Or we could just have any one of the haters that we see on this forum to enter into a compettion with Trump."

Now me:

Me: "JammedStab, let's have a little competition right here, Trump-loving you against Trump-despising me."

Judges, the Google dictionary, please!
competition
kɒmpɪˈtɪʃ(ə)n/
nounnoun: competition
  1. the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others."there is fierce competition between banks"synonyms:rivalry, competitiveness, vying, contesting, opposition, contention, conflict, feuding, battling, fighting, struggling, strife, war;
    informalkeeping up with the Joneses "I'm just not interested in competition"






    • an event or contest in which people take part in order to establish superiority or supremacy in a particular area.plural noun: competitions"a beauty competition"synonyms:contest, tournament, match, game, round, heat, fixture, event, meet, encounter; More
      race; bout, fight, prizefight; quiz; trials, stakes; clash
      "Stephanie came second in the competition"












    • the person or people over whom one is attempting to establish one's supremacy or superiority; the opposition."I walked round to check out the competition"













I win, I win!

Shall we both go up against Trump now, to see who knows how to spell "tap," or "collusion," JammedStab? (Trump has those as "tapp," and "colusion.") There we can both be winners.

By the way, JammedStab, I realize that your way of spelling "competition" is probably due to a simple typo, plus that you obviously were not paying attention; those are excuses that Trump himself probably also uses, if he even needs to excuse himself to his brain-dead followers.

That's fine with me, JammedStab, so that kidding aside, I assume that you actually can spell better than Trump, and that you are not as stupid as Trump is (not that that is saying much). On the other hand, the grammar in your sentence is also defective. Try and find the extra preposition in the sentence where you showed how you spelled "competition" : "Or we could just have any one of the haters that we see on this forum to enter into a compettion with Trump." (Off he goes now, first to the dictionary to look up the meaning of "proposition," when it tells him "That's what Trump made to Stormy Daniels, dummy!" Drat! Okay, he tries "preposition" next, finally getting some traction.)

It's really charming, the way that the Trump-lovers like to point out how stoopid anyone who does not like Trump for various perverted reasons has to be. It's like seeing a kitten pounce on a ball of yarn.

Meanwhile, out there in the real world, Trump seems to be getting into more and more trouble with his "fixer," Michael Cohen.

There is a thing about "flipping," which is that timing is essential. I bet that Cohen quietly flipped right after that raid. That would be because Mueller wouldn't have needed his personal testimony so much once he had sorted through all the evidence he secured in that raid (what Trump chooses to call a "break-in"). Mueller then got a very large amount of evidence without any help from Cohen.

So far we've seen Trump's people either flipping and then going down, or being under indictment, or else in one case, that of Paul Manafort, even ending up in pre-trial detention, swapping those elegant suits and two GPS anklets worn in a luxury home for an orange jump suit and a jail cell.

PEDANT ALERT: There's no such thing as an "ankle bracelet." A bracelet is worn on the wrist or arm; an anklet is worn on the ankle, hence the name. Why must we always read about Manafort's "GPS ankle bracelets" when those were "GPS anklets"? Trump has got us all speaking gibberish!

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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 07:43
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The “left” need to understand that Trump probably did not collude with the Russians. There is no evidence at all.

The “right” need to understand that Trump is merely a very minor pawn in this deep state bar brawl that has spilled out into the open. He is probably the most played president in history and would be rather clueless to most of the finer details. Witness his (clearly forced) read statement reversing his comments about Russian meddling following the Putin meeting.

I hate to use terms left versus right as they are simply labels of convenience like gang colors. Or sports team affiliations.

Trumps only success thus far has been to divide the country into fake news followers or fake news supporters. Guess what, Fox news is JUST as flawed and biased as CNN. Fox has been bought by the pro Trump/anti central banking/expose the deep state/normalize relations with Russia apparatus and CNN has been bought by the deep state/must demonize Russia in order to justify the military industrial complex apparatus/maintain the status quo of control over the centralised banking system cartel.

This fight is waaaaaay bigger than commercial news media would have you believe and its just the beginning.

Again, we the people, are being played like the fools we are.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 09:04
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Oh, absolutely!

I love the lofty tone, Darling, but did you notice that your pants are on fire? "The “left” need to understand that Trump probably did not collude with the Russians. There is no evidence at all."

How did you miss the meeting in Trump Tower between key players in the Trump campaign (and perhaps Trump himself, according to insider Steve Bannon), and two Russians closely connected to the Russian government? Far from "no evidence at all," there's really strong evidence of collusion. It's not "proof," but it's certainly strong evidence that might be used to prove collusion.

We get it that we on what you like to call the left despise Trump, but you need to get it that it was a grave mistake to put Trump in power, and start trying to sort that mistake out, at least by understanding what is real evidence of collusion.

There's this problem we are having with people who were so slow of thought that they went for Trump in the first place (there were others who were clever but conniving, such as Pence, to whom this does not apply). It's that they are completely unwilling to turn their limited powers of thought to adding up what is definitely known about Trump's shenanigans, much of that from Trump's own words! It's no help at all for others to point out just how very, very stupid this class of Trump supporters is, and how much harm they are doing to their own class by continuing to back him. It's just this sort of "Who do you think you are, picking on us for being stupid? Did you get elected President? No? So, shut up! Go Donald, Make America Great Again!"

In fact, every Tweet of Trump's that shows his own ignorance just bolsters this feeling among the dummies of having one of their own in the White House. That is a good feeling after years of having been told that they should have worked harder in school, that they are simply wrong about so many things, and so on and on. Some informed commentators have even suggested that Trump's people who Tweet for him even dumb the Tweets down in order to keep up a certain level of useful ignorance. That suggests that Trump not being able to spell "tap" nor "collude" is a good thing, not a bad thing, for him; it keeps up this theme of winding up the egotistical know-it-alls who look down on those ignorant enough to prefer the simple hogwash that Trump is selling them, those who can't even spell common words, those who last read a book when they were forced to do that back in high school.

At base it's just that Trump's in, the so-called elite are out, so "Suck it, leftists!" (John McCain is a leftist? That would be news to John McCain!) Don't worry, deplorables; we get the message. You don't like us, and we despise you, even though we pretend not to. There's no bridging this divide; we are just going to have to fight it out, not come together as one nation to dance around the fire as we burn Trump at the stake.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 17:40
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
The “left” need to understand that Trump probably did not collude with the Russians. There is no evidence at all.

The “right” need to understand that Trump is merely a very minor pawn in this deep state bar brawl that has spilled out into the open. He is probably the most played president in history and would be rather clueless to most of the finer details. Witness his (clearly forced) read statement reversing his comments about Russian meddling following the Putin meeting.

I hate to use terms left versus right as they are simply labels of convenience like gang colors. Or sports team affiliations.

Trumps only success thus far has been to divide the country into fake news followers or fake news supporters. Guess what, Fox news is JUST as flawed and biased as CNN. Fox has been bought by the pro Trump/anti central banking/expose the deep state/normalize relations with Russia apparatus and CNN has been bought by the deep state/must demonize Russia in order to justify the military industrial complex apparatus/maintain the status quo of control over the centralised banking system cartel.

This fight is waaaaaay bigger than commercial news media would have you believe and its just the beginning.

Again, we the people, are being played like the fools we are.
Can you wade a little deeper into this “deep state” concept? Who leads this deep state, what orders do they have? Who are some of the key players? You infer a knowledge of a deep state saying there’s a brawl between elements, so you should be able to then answer my questions.

I’m envisioning a Steve Jobs look alike dressed in all black with a hood, holding a fur less cat as the leader of this cabal.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 18:01
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The “left” need to understand that Trump probably did not collude with the Russians. There is no evidence at all.
Occam's razor for beginners:

1. Putin intends to reach his strategic objectives and he uses various modes of "warfare" to achieve this - Military, technological, information, diplomatic, economic, cultural, criminal, and other tools which are all controlled by the state and deployed toward one set of strategic objectives.
2. Ukraine, Syria, Crimea are already in play, the Baltics and Middle East are being conditioned for action.
3. His success requires extensive use of information warfare, where the goal is not about creating an alternate truth, but eroding our ability to distinguish truth at all.
4. Intelligence preparation of the "battlefield" includes reducing the cohesion of the EU (Brexit and the rise of Nationalist powers), destabilizing NATO (internal dissent and break down of long standing commitments), and economic dependence on Russian utilities.
5. To have any chance of success, Putin requires the complicity of a western leader so naive, ignorant or corrupt (or all three) that they would not immediately discern the underlying intent of Putin's actions was for global destabilization, but instead think it was all about their "charismatic" leadership.
6. To launch that complicity, the obvious action was to secure an improbable election victory through information warfare.
7. To keep his agent in play, he then uses the fact that the election victory was a consequence of Putin's warfare as leverage against the recipient of that corrupt act (no pee tape or mountain of debt, just an election victory as a blackmail tool).

But that's all just Occam's view of course...
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 19:08
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
The “left” need to understand that Trump probably did not collude with the Russians. There is no evidence at all.

The “right” need to understand that Trump is merely a very minor pawn in this deep state bar brawl that has spilled out into the open. He is probably the most played president in history and would be rather clueless to most of the finer details. Witness his (clearly forced) read statement reversing his comments about Russian meddling following the Putin meeting.

I hate to use terms left versus right as they are simply labels of convenience like gang colors. Or sports team affiliations.

Trumps only success thus far has been to divide the country into fake news followers or fake news supporters. Guess what, Fox news is JUST as flawed and biased as CNN. Fox has been bought by the pro Trump/anti central banking/expose the deep state/normalize relations with Russia apparatus and CNN has been bought by the deep state/must demonize Russia in order to justify the military industrial complex apparatus/maintain the status quo of control over the centralised banking system cartel.

This fight is waaaaaay bigger than commercial news media would have you believe and its just the beginning.

Again, we the people, are being played like the fools we are.


Mind well the last two lines of the above quote. I do. For all the posts of mine herein, the goal was to convey the truth of the American political stage.

The Founders were wary of the will of the masses. They crafted a system that cannot work in high gear, let alone overdrive.

Democracies are fine if given time to arrive at best practice.

The drama instigated by the seeming impossibility of Trump’s victory pits the various factions of the deep State against one another. Mueller’s play has been nothing short of genius: “One cannot underestimate the intelligence of the public...”

Courtiers, favorites, jesters and fools. Ever so, the American system of governance is over time subject to perversion.

The Founders did not expect the lack of morality evident in high placed politicians embezzling, defrauding, lying and murdering.

Keep the people in the shallow end, where everything is obvious, and requires little thought, let alone logic and a sense of what is right, and true.

Amazing, the prevalence of murderous rage amongst the people.

We were given a political process, not a reality show.

West Coast. We as free people expect transparency and fair dealing from our political betters. The FBI and CIA are not part of the founding documents. They are a creation of Congress, which retains oversight over everything these agencies do.

These agencies are out of control, for profit (power) entities. Congress has demanded certain data from both. It is not forthcoming.

Be suspicious of any political construct that has the power to extinguish its own oversight by the People. Do we see the essence of tyranny in this?

con





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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 19:48
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Be suspicious of any political construct that has the power to extinguish its own oversight by the People. Do we see the essence of tyranny in this?
The challenge is to understand who "the People" really is. If it's a political entity with prejudice than it's in conflict from the start, hence what we now deal with as "Fake News"
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 20:03
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Two's In hits it on the nail.

"4. Intelligence preparation of the "battlefield" includes reducing the cohesion of the EU (Brexit and the rise of Nationalist powers), destabilizing NATO (internal dissent and break down of long standing commitments), and economic dependence on Russian utilities.
5. To have any chance of success, Putin requires the complicity of a western leader so naive, ignorant or corrupt (or all three) that they would not immediately discern the underlying intent of Putin's actions was for global destabilization, but instead think it was all about their "charismatic" leadership.
6. To launch that complicity, the obvious action was to secure an improbable election victory through information warfare.
7. To keep his agent in play, he then uses the fact that the election victory was a consequence of Putin's warfare as leverage against the recipient of that corrupt act (no pee tape or mountain of debt, just an election victory as a blackmail tool)."

Dead right

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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 21:25
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
The challenge is to understand who "the People" really is. If it's a political entity with prejudice than it's in conflict from the start, hence what we now deal with as "Fake News"
I meant it in the classic definition, Congress is the voice of the People. Congress is presently under R majority, but that cannot call the Constitution into question. What ever the majority, Congress has dominion over the agencies they created. That is not debatable. BTW, it is why the DNC is praying for a D majority next January. Our bed, we sleep in it. A legitimate demand by Congress cannot be ignored by the agency “until the majority changes”. They haven’t the authority.
Direct authority over the agency is held by the President.

The FBI is basing its work on the calculation the Director’s firing would sway public opinion. If Trump had a crystal ball and knew the R majority holds, he could fire anyone in his Branch, making the FBI’s decisions political in nature; Insubordination is all the reason he needs.




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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 04:20
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Gee....I don't recall that the North Korean leader was ever paid the honor of an all-caps warning from Mr. Trump. The Iranians just received one however. Does a demarche such as this carry more weight since it is in caps? Chuks, you are our grammar maven, do the caps mean he is extra extra extra serious?

We all knew that Iran was in the crosshairs. One would have thought that the U.S. had enough on its plate with a multi-front trade war, Russia, and the rise of China as a peer competitor. But hey! Why not fold hostilities with the Persians into the mix. It would be an easy campaign, would require no occupation, the populace would rise up (after welcoming you with flowers naturally) and take care of the heavy lifting. Smooth sailing from start to finish! Sound the tocsin!

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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post


Mind well the last two lines of the above quote. I do. For all the posts of mine herein, the goal was to convey the truth of the American political stage.

The Founders were wary of the will of the masses. They crafted a system that cannot work in high gear, let alone overdrive.

Democracies are fine if given time to arrive at best practice.

The drama instigated by the seeming impossibility of Trump’s victory pits the various factions of the deep State against one another. Mueller’s play has been nothing short of genius: “One cannot underestimate the intelligence of the public...”

Courtiers, favorites, jesters and fools. Ever so, the American system of governance is over time subject to perversion.

The Founders did not expect the lack of morality evident in high placed politicians embezzling, defrauding, lying and murdering.

Keep the people in the shallow end, where everything is obvious, and requires little thought, let alone logic and a sense of what is right, and true.

Amazing, the prevalence of murderous rage amongst the people.

We were given a political process, not a reality show.

West Coast. We as free people expect transparency and fair dealing from our political betters. The FBI and CIA are not part of the founding documents. They are a creation of Congress, which retains oversight over everything these agencies do.

These agencies are out of control, for profit (power) entities. Congress has demanded certain data from both. It is not forthcoming.

Be suspicious of any political construct that has the power to extinguish its own oversight by the People. Do we see the essence of tyranny in this?

con




I don’t equate some civil servants putting their own self interests ahead of their sworn duty as evidence of some deep state conspiracy. Comey, McCabe, Strzok should be making big rocks into little rocks but you’ve got some convincing to do to make me a believer that they are leaders in some sort of alternate, organized “resistance”, if that’s your belief.
At times the three stooges seemed to be working against each other rather than towards any common goal.
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I'm having trouble with the would / wouldn't statement ( was it?)....I mean if president Trumps first language was not English......that may be a very very outside thing,,,,but I really really doubt it

And for all the carrying on about his Father being a German migrant....turnd out His Dad was born in Brooklyn....it's just bare faced lies....and you know what they say 'You can trust a thief....but you cannot trust a liar' .... a truly sad state of affairs....and a very very sad performance from Trump....disappointing in the extreme in Helsinki.....the body language was dire...and Putin standing so tall and proud and sure of himself ....

Very sad to see the leader of the free world capitulate as he did......I guess he's not much more than the schoolyard bully.....essentially a coward...I never thought too much of Obama at all.....but Trump is making Obama look good ....
On many occasions, in the press or on tv interviews Donald Trump has referred to his "German immigrant grandfather" who made his fortune in the Klondike gold rush by owning a bawdy house in B.C. All it takes is a quick click of Google to find that the only 'liar' in this instance happens to be you.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trump...ukon-1.3235254

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Fred, I assume that you are familiar with DEFCON (DEFense readiness CONdition).

The White House is now working on a new system, TRUMPCON, but it's "compilcated" (sic). First there's the sheer impulsiveness of Trump, coupled with his opacity in speech that verges on incomprehensibility. Then there's the stupidity of his chosen audience. All in all, it's a mess, but anyway the idea is to have something like DEFCON but called TRUMPCON.

TRUMPCON 5 would be effusive praise of, for example, Kim Jong-un, Trump tweeting that he's a "talented" man who "loves his country." The problem, though, is that not long before we were at TRUMPCON 2, when Trump threatened the same man with "fire and fury,"after insulting him by calling him "little rocket man."

One possible solution comes from the NHRA, not be confused with the much better-known NRA. The NHRA (National Hotrod Racing Association) uses a device known as the "Christmas tree" to signal the start of drag races. It's a vertical stack of lights that first signals that the pair of cars are properly staged. The count-down in progress is signaled by yellow lights, followed by a green light that is the start signal. There is also a red light for anyone who crosses the start line too early.

The idea is to install a sort of "Christmas tree" on the roof of the White House so that we can track the shifting moods of Donald Trump, a big stack of lights from blue to red, controlled by a set of buttons on his desk down there in the Oval Office. (He already has two big red ones, one for Diet Coke, the other for Armageddon, placed uncomfortably close to each other, but that's the way he wanted them, to accommodate his remarkably small hands.) We will be able to tell then what's on the tiny mind of this most mercurial of presidents, whether we are at TRUMPCON 2, "FIRE AND FURY" or TRUMPCON 5, "GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH (insert name of foreign tyrant here)" or something in between.

TRUMPCON 1, well, that will just be a great big white flash, followed by a hell of bang, when there shall be no more Christmas tree, no more White House, and no more Washington, D.C.

Trump mashing down on the wrong button, perhaps only meaning to order a Diet Coke but actually ordering Armageddon, is a distinct possibility, along with him simply deciding to "drop the big one now," taking that for "Political Science."

Until we can get this thing installed we have to parse Trumptweets by looking for errors in spelling and grammar, along with how far from objective truth they stray, plus, yes, whether it's ALL CAPS (TRUMPCON 2), just some Caps (TRUMPCONs 3 and 4), or just some sort of harmless, CAPless word salad showing Trump in his usual mental state, totally fogged out, often unable to spell, and always unable or unwilling to stick to simple rules of grammar and objective truth about pretty much anything (TRUMPCON 5).

Trump's sort of like one of those sushi restaurants where the little dishes come along on a conveyor belt, except that some of what we are served is fugu fish liver instead of just three-day-old California roll. By the time we feel that familiar tingling numbness it's just about too late ....

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“It's not "proof," but it's certainly strong evidence that might be used to prove collusion.”

You dont think the Brennan/Hayden/Clapper cabal and their lackeys couldnt manufacture, market and maintain this story? Much bigger stories have been concocted before. Tonkin, WMD, Syria, Libya.

“.......but you need to get it that it was a grave mistake to put Trump in power”

For the sake of womens rights, the environment, the worker, race relations, treatment of immigrants, the Iran deal.......

I agree.

“Who leads this deep state, what orders do they have? Who are some of the key players?”

Genuine domestic and global power structures are never formalised and are always transnational. Energy, weapons, money. Dollar hegemony. When their imperatives align, it is completely irrelevant who resides in the WH. London, Canberra.....

As much as I think Trump is a con artist and a crook, a self centered, racist, chauvinist, completely ignorant friendless ****, I also see his puppet masters, the real power base behind the naked emperor, as seizing the opportunity to shift the power balance away from the unelected intelligence/military industrial complex and having the temerity to suggest a normalization of relations with Russia will bring Trump undone.

Pee tapes, hookers, bribes, collusion. The deep state are throwing everything at him.




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