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Old 19th Jul 2018, 09:31
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@realDonaldTrump - 17 June 2014 "Any president that tries meeting with Putin is a tyrant and should not be president!!"

@realDonaldTrump - 18 July 2018 "Some people HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin of Russia. They would rather go to war than see this. It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Self diagnosis is a wonderous thing...
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 10:22
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I'll be more worried about Montenegro starting the third world war, aggressive bunch they are, very bad, very aggressive.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 10:27
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Originally Posted by jez d View Post
@realDonaldTrump - 17 June 2014 "Any president that tries meeting with Putin is a tyrant and should not be president!!"
Do you have a cite for this one - I can't find it in any of the archives

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Old 19th Jul 2018, 14:06
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It was on the BBC news website earlier this morning, but can't seem to find it now. Here's another source: Trump tweet
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 15:25
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”...So what were the odds of Trump, dummy that he is, thinking, "Hey, I'm thousands of miles away, just let Schiller get to sleep, and then we check with Reception about sending up a couple of those hot girls they mentioned earlier. Who's to know? And there's that big mirror right across from the bed so that I can watch the show .... Perfect!"

We know from history that similar thinking has been shown by many Presidents, eh? Except for Clinton, who took “thousands of miles away” to mean the Oval Office. “It depends on the meaning of the word “miles”...”

i wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out that Trump engaged the services of a red sparrow for pleasure of a Muscovite evening?

Trump’s downfall will be his ego and his obsession to have something to say about everything...

Mueller knows that, hence the coy “you are not a target, let’s chat....”

So it was with Clinton’s lies under oath, and Nixon’s fear of being found out.

Put a sock in it, or fill up your cardboard boxes and leave already?

The American people forgive anything, just don’t play them as fools. Politicians value image above all else and will protect theirs in any way, mostly by lying to the people. Trump more than most.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 17:33
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I am having trouble understanding what the point of the meeting/summit was. Syria? NATO and Russia relations? Trade? Nuclear weapons reductions?
Why the meeting? I think I missed some news articles explaining what matter of great moment these two heads of state were addressing.
Or was this, as a follow on to the NATO meeting "I'll be in the neighborhood so I'll drop by and have a visit if you are in" kind of thing?
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
I am having trouble understanding what the point of the meeting/summit was. Syria? NATO and Russia relations? Trade? Nuclear weapons reductions?
Why the meeting? I think I missed some news articles explaining what matter of great moment these two heads of state were addressing.
Or was this, as a follow on to the NATO meeting "I'll be in the neighborhood so I'll drop by and have a visit if you are in" kind of thing?
Meetings (not summits) are to establish contacts and bring out areas of agreements and disagreements. More like being able to predict the goals of the other guy so you don't get upset to the point of war when he makes a chess move not to your liking. It's like establishing the bounds of the game. Stay within the bounds and we won't fire nukes, but we may take counter actions.

It's not in our interest to broadcast these gentlemens rules, lest someone else tries to undo them.

The measure of success is no war between the agreed unless the rules of the agreement are abandoned.

The public and political parties have no need to know, but of course may measure the outcomes to their liking.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 18:15
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Meetings (not summits) are to establish contacts and bring out areas of agreements and disagreements.
OK, so not a summit like I recall form the cold war years, but a less fraught meeting. Makes more sense that way.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 18:59
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Yep

Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Meetings (not summits) are to establish contacts and bring out areas of agreements and disagreements. More like being able to predict the goals of the other guy so you don't get upset to the point of war when he makes a chess move not to your liking. It's like establishing the bounds of the game. Stay within the bounds and we won't fire nukes, but we may take counter actions.

It's not in our interest to broadcast these gentlemens rules, lest someone else tries to undo them.

The measure of success is no war between the agreed unless the rules of the agreement are abandoned.

The public and political parties have no need to know, but of course may measure the outcomes to their liking.
The world has gone crazy. Two important leaders agree to meet and chat. Instead of feeling like he had to say something, Trump should have simply said, “we had a very cordial discussion, and have established a face to face relationship, a benefit to all who wish peace. I will be preparing a summary to distribute to the people very soon.”

The man is incapable of coherent ad lib.

The Press’ incessant demands to know everything, instantly, is annoying. Worse, they report it later as vicious commentary rather than news. Just what Joe Blow wants, a prejudiced and bigoted hate filled blast by people generally too stupid to understand what has been written for them to say.

Less is more...

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Old 19th Jul 2018, 19:33
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One does wonder why cousin Donald is so preoccupied with Russia. Just how important is it economically? According to the CIA World Fact book Russia in GDP terms rates 7th world wide and is behind Germany and Japan.

Perhaps he's got Russia confused with the former Soviet Empire or maybe they do have something on him.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 19:44
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"The Summit[sic] with Russia was a great success, except with the real enemy of the people, the Fake News Media."

Well, if calling the press "...the real enemy of the people..." doesn't worry you...

Thems fightin words for liberty, justice and democracy with any real American patriot of whatever Party, color or creed.

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Old 19th Jul 2018, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
"The Summit[sic] with Russia was a great success, except with the real enemy of the people, the Fake News Media."

Well, if calling the press "...the real enemy of the people..." doesn't worry you...

Thems fightin words for liberty, justice and democracy with any real American patriot of whatever Party, color or creed.

Mac
Or maybe he is simply pushing for a little balance in the media, and a clearer distinction between "news" and "opinion".
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 20:17
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What standards should the press be held to? They are the 'fourth estate'. There is a great deal of power wrapped up in our press liberty. The constitution protects the press in various ways, and the press has played a major role in many of the large movements of the culture in the US.

What, if anything is there required of the press(et-al). Honesty? Integrity? Free of bias? Openness?

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Pres ~42-43%
Congress ~19-22%
media/press ~32-37%(varies according to source)

Who is the enemy? Is there an enemy? My enemy is a press which starts with a bias, and uses their sources to reinforce only the bias they start with. There's a recent story out that more than 15% of the press pool covering the president are on the payroll of CNN, MSNBC, and NBC. These are three major media outlets that have an undeniable bias against the president, and almost anything conservative. What's more telling is that the lies spread by the press are so often repeated here, and in other forums as 'fact', when they devolve to some speculation, and further investigation shows that the opposite is true. Such is the nature of the 'collusion' accusations. We KNOW that Clinton and her family sold Uranium interests, through Canada, to the Russian atomics program. We know that, it is well documented. But - the major story of the past 15 months has all been about Trump and collusion. With zero evidence so far. We have haters on here talking all the time about 'the fact that Trump colluded with Russia'. But when called out, there is nothing. Just some biased op-ed piece full of holes from CNN or MSNBC.

I want the press to do one job. Tell me about the state of affairs in my country. A person in this country who has come across the border for economic gain is an illegal alien. They are NOT undocumented workers, or some other BS double-speak. The press has become positively Orwellian in twisting the truth.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 20:18
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Originally Posted by jez d View Post
@realDonaldTrump - 17 June 2014 "Any president that tries meeting with Putin is a tyrant and should not be president!!"

@realDonaldTrump - 18 July 2018 "Some people HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin of Russia. They would rather go to war than see this. It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Self diagnosis is a wonderous thing...
Congrats, you found one of Trump's many statements that have hipocrisy. The left loves to point it out and it is true. The only problem is...the similar amount of hipocrisy on the left. You know, the ones that always gave Russia a break during the cold war, cozied up to Russia post Soviet Unionm etc etc (on many other subjects.

So for the ones who are not partisans(perhaps 20% of the population) vote based on policy. If you like Trumps economics or other policies, don't be fooled by the supposed high road claim of the left. At minimum, vote for Trump but claim you didn't if it will cause some difficulty(due to the anti-democratic, insults, harrassment, etc from the left). Both sides lie but at least Trump does his best to keep his campaign promises. There is no high road. Vote for the policies you want, not the so-called moral high ground.

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Old 19th Jul 2018, 21:24
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
What's more telling is that the lies spread by the press are so often repeated here, and in other forums as 'fact', when they devolve to some speculation, and further investigation shows that the opposite is true. Such is the nature of the 'collusion' accusations. We KNOW that Clinton and her family sold Uranium interests, through Canada, to the Russian atomics program. We know that, it is well documented.
Oh the irony - citing well documented twaddle as fact in a rant about others citing fake facts!

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Old 19th Jul 2018, 21:37
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At least one major news orginization is now reporting the Trump is inviting Putin to Washington in the Autumn.

https://ww.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/us...der-mcfaul.htm

This invite comes while the staff, most notably the DNI Coats, is expressing frustration in trying to determine what Trump said to Putin in the two-hour closed door meeting.

At some point the staff will need to know so as to effect policy correct?

What a loose cannon this man is.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred
At least one major news orginization is now reporting the Trump is inviting Putin to Washington in the Autumn.(The New York Times)
This invite comes while the staff, most notably the DNI Coats, is expressing frustration in trying to determine what Trump said to Putin in the two-hour closed door meeting.

At some point the staff will need to know so as to effect policy correct?

What a loose cannon this man is.

Sputnik news, which I'm not permitted to post a link to, is carrying the following story-
The Russian Defense Ministry is ready for the practical implementation of agreements in the area of global security reached in Helsinki between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump, the ministry's spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, told reporters on Tuesday.
Which, if true, implies they agreed something. Maybe cousin Donald forgot.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 22:13
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“My enemy is a press which starts with a bias, and uses their sources to reinforce only the bias they start with.”

Followed closely by:

“There's a recent story out that more than 15% of the press pool covering the president are on the payroll of CNN, MSNBC, and NBC.”

Wow, i almost fell for this opinion.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 22:31
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post

“There's a recent story out that more than 15% of the press pool covering the president are on the payroll of CNN, MSNBC, and NBC.”

Wow, i almost fell for this opinion.

CNN is making contract payments to:
The Time’s Maggie Haberman
Post’s Josh Dawsey
American Urban Radio Network’s April Ryan
Playboy’s Brian Karem.

MSNBC roster:
PBS’s Yamiche Alcindor
Post’s Phil Rucker, Ashley Parker
TheTime’s Peter Baker
AP Jonathan Lemire

Email them and ask if they have WH press credentials, and if they are contracted to the organization named. Or - remain clueless. All are opinion based reporters who try to pass off as unbiased news writers. Want some more names? Your boys Brian Ross has sold copy to CNN, Dan Rather(now disgraced) - CBS and also MSNBC. There are others. But - keep your head in the sand, like everyone else.
Edit to add; These are in addition to the named WH correspondents who hold WH press credentials above board. You can't swing a dead cat in the briefing room without hitting a shill for a lib rag. Isn't it strange to ANYONE here who is a flaming antifa goat-hearding lefty that all the news from the WH is negative? Trump tries to de-nuke NK and within hours, CNN is pooh-poohing Trump for even sitting down with Kim. Jeezalou, he could cure cancer, and the media would give him sh!t.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 23:32
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Chuks,

I am an outsider (UK based) and have been following this page and your posts very carefully and with much anxiety. Like all of you I have been very worried about Don Trumpeone's mental health. Recently my son sent me a link to the D.Trump when youthful and in command of his faculties:


That clip would tend to indicate a degree of articulateness which has vanished in the intervening years. Make no mistake. That confidence and fluidity was clearly focused on pure commercial exploitation and had no relation to political issues in NY.

The question that I will put is: Has Trump at 71 simply lost the plot? Is it possible that your President is some way is into Senile Dementia? This recent misadventure on the Global Stage with Comrade Putin is perplexing; Deeply worrying for all of us non-US Citizens, and very perplexing to hear, read, and try to understand the responses from your politicians.

I am very distressed. I have held a very deep admiration for the USA over the last half-century (my time as a competent Observer). I love so many aspects of the USA - the star Spangled Banner; Texas Fightin' A&M; the Superbowl; New Orleans Big Easy Style; NASA: NOAA: New York and in particular NY Diners and The Met And the MOMA, and many other PA directed sources. My extended family live in and around Nawlins.

My knowledge of the west coast is sparse. I have never visited. But I suspect that CA is not too happy with Don Trumpeone.

I am 71. I can get by in the UK (despite the Brexit f*ck-up) but I would really like to get to my inceneration with an idea that the USA had stabilised and had selected a Human Being as President.
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