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Old 20th Apr 2018, 16:14
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WC,
buckling under pressure
Did I use these words? Or, are these words just a little embellishment on your part?
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 16:27
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GF,
Before you get all aglow with Muellerís alleged competence and integrity, you might review his failures as FBI Director.
I know you are anti-government including all those that are or were in government. I guess living in the s**t-hole you do surrounded by pinkos, communists, etc. gives you the dour outlook. Just babble on, I get your gist...
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 16:31
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Have Trump's infamous tax returns been released yet, after 15 months or procrastination?
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 17:13
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GF,

I just wanted people to know that happen to read your drivel, the picture you paint of Robert Mueller is badly tainted, but not unexpected. In your review of Robert Mueller, you should have started earlier as to his character and listed his factual accomplishments.

Mueller was a US Marine that served in Vietnam during the war there. Mueller was awarded the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with three service stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge. Mueller was inducted into the Ranger Hall of Fame in 2004.

Mueller then served in the US Department of Justice. Mueller took charge of its criminal division. During his tenure, he oversaw prosecutions including that of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie bombing) case, and that of the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti.

Mueller was elected a fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers.

Subsequently, Mueller was nominated for the position of FBI director by George W. Bush. The Senate unanimously confirmed Mueller as FBI director on August 2, 2001, voting 98Ė0 in favor of his appointment.

You do recall that Attorney General Ashcroft was in recovery after surgery when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales visited to get Ashcroft to renew a program of warrantless wiretapping under the Terrorist Surveillance Program which the DOJ ruled unconstitutional. Ashcroft refused to sign, as he had previously agreed, but the following day the White House renewed the program anyway. Mueller and deputy attorney general James Comey then threatened to resign. After private, individual meetings with Mueller and Comey at the White House, the president supported changing the program to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, Ashcroft, and Comey. As FBI director, Mueller also barred FBI personnel from participating in enhanced interrogations with the CIA.

Mueller received the 2016 Thayer Award for public service from the United States Military Academy. In June 2017, he received the Baker Award for intelligence and national security contributions from the nonprofit Intelligence and National Security Alliance.

A far more accurate summary than your one sentence diss...
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 17:32
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Thank you for the Background TurbineD, Robert Mueller sounds like a man with some integrity and clearly one who served his country with distinction.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 18:12
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Study: People with less political knowledge think they know a lot about politics
Just saying.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 18:22
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
Have Trump's infamous tax returns been released yet, after 15 months or procrastination?
Can you cite the law that requires that a presidential candidate, president elect, or serving president to release any tax information to the public?

As far as I know, there is no legal requirement whatsoever that this be done.

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Old 20th Apr 2018, 18:40
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You really need to read up on Mueller’s history of misconduct in office without the hagiography of Wikipedia. Let’s look at facts of his performance in Washington.

First, at the FBI, he oversaw the bungled investigation into the anthrax attacks. He pushed, using media leaks, Dr. Hatfill spending millions and ruining his reputation. Eventually, the government paid him $3.5 million in restitution. Then, on to Dr. Ivins who committed suicide before he could cash in on the FBI’s bungling. Yes, a study later proved Ivins was probably innocent.

Second, there Sandy Berger, Clinton’s NSA. He stole classified documents out of the archives and destroyed. Mueller let him off with a single misdemeanor and no jail time. Ironic that he lets theft of classified material lose, but then gets an award for contributions to national security.

Then, there’s the Sen. Ted Stevens election interference by the FBI. Stevens lost the election, afterwards his conviction was thrown out due to prosecutorial misconduct.

He was USA for Massachusetts during the time the FBI protected Whitey Bulger as a TE informant. Bulger committed some very high profile murders while Mueller was there, but the USA and the FBI protected him.

The list goes on. Mueller is a weathervane typical of those with integrity, which Mueller no doubt was at one time, who find themselves in the Versailles on the Potomac and think themselves higher than God.

Here is a road map, with links, for your study.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/19/...rkINzc.twitter

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Old 20th Apr 2018, 18:44
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Charles Krauthammer suggests that Trump is neither conservative nor liberal. He is instead a "pragmatist" ...
We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us? Are we better off today or worse off?
Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?
I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now. People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common among those who have never accomplished anything in their lives (or politicians who never really solved a problem, because itís better to still have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me to solve it, (which never happens) and those who have always played it safe (again, all politicians) not willing to risk failure, to try and achieve success).
This is an excerpt from a much larger article that can be found, but I submit that Krauthammer, who I got tired of reading some years ago, has got this one right ... but I think he left out an important piece .. self promoter. Mr Trump gives off the vibe that it's all about him far too often. (Last years "I'm not happy" utterance in re North Korea struck a nerve of negative reaction with me).
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 23:16
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GF,
Here is a road map, with links, for your study.
It is your roadmap, not mine. The Federalist is a highly conservative publication today, although it wasn't when it started out. It borders on being in the far right wing, illustrated by it support of Roy Moore's dating underage teenage girls and Moore's musing that was a good way to start large families. The founder and publisher is Ben Domenech, a very conservative writer and blogger, not at all balanced as Wikipedia tends to mostly be.

BTW, your quote:
I just two books on the Whitey Bulger case in Boston.
I assume you meant you just read two books about the Whitey Bulger case. By this time, there are probably more than 16 books written about this case. Many of the books seemingly focused on narrow aspects of the total story. A few were written by former law enforcement people who investigated Bulgerís criminal operations. Others were written by family members of victims who were killed by Bulger and his gang. One book, Black Mass was the basis for the Johnny Depp movie. Which two did you read?
The Sinaloa group were informants to the DEA and killed huge numbers) all in the name of crime fighting. The results in these cases are corruption, innocent people killed, really bad criminals getting lightly because they were working as informants.
It would be rather informative if you shared the source behind the above statement.

I am aware of the war between Sinaloa and Juarez drug cartels and others in Mexico over who controlled what and where. My understanding is the Sinaloa cartelís most powerful contacts have traditionally been in the Mexican National Action Party (PAN) then lead by Vicente Fox, which, according to some sources, helps account for its growth in the last decade. From what I have read, the Sinaloa Cartel seems to have taken its cue from Colombiaís Cali Cartel by establishing strong connections to the government's political and economic elite. It has successfully penetrated government and security forces wherever it operates.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 01:06
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/demo...on-report.html

The DNC backup plan to Mueller not finding anything. The Dems are worried Mueller won’t find the dirt, got to keep Russia and Trump in the news.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 01:29
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/demo...on-report.html

The DNC backup plan to Mueller not finding anything. The Dems are worried Mueller wonít find the dirt, got to keep Russia and Trump in the news.
I do believe that a lot more folks who were undecided, seeing this will now come down on the Presidents side for no other reason than it has now entered the theater of the absurd.

Sad.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 01:53
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So the DNC are now reduced to litigating against Wikileaks for releasing unflattering DNC emails..

Perhaps if they hadn't written those emails in the first place?..

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Old 21st Apr 2018, 03:12
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Turbine D,

Yes, The Federalist is a conservative publication, but the specific article has numerous links which are MSM and other less political sources. Suggest linking. Dismissing a source out-of-hand because you don’t like the site’s political slant is certainly embracing diversity. I’d suggest an open mind, but that’s likely impossible.

The books are Whitey Bulger America’s Most Wanted Gangster and the Manhunt that Brought Him to Justice by Cullen and Murphy, two BOS Globe reporters. The other was Where The Bodies Were Buried by T.J. English. It was English who reported on the Sinaloa Cartel as an example of the Feds continuing to take sides by offering informants a measure of protection in exchange for their information. Information that, ostensibly, furthers Justice, but really only chooses winners and losers.

I never liked Mueller, I’ll admit that, like most people in DC, especially who have a measure of power, he has more confidence than humility. Like the TSA agent exercising his power to harass 70-year retirees and petty theft, in DC it’s the same act on a grander scale.

Here’s Hatfill’s story in the Atlantic, a right-wing troll operation, ya think?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ng-man/308019/

Here’s the Congressional committee on Government Oversight on Berger,

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2007_rpt/berger.pdf

And the Anchorage newspaper on Stevens case of misconduct,

https://web.archive.org/web/20100123...ry/743906.html

You really need to be less deferential to the government, they don’t mean you well; it’s all about them. Besides, Mueller must be judged by how he performed in a relevant position, not what he did 40+ years as a Marine and awards given.


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Old 21st Apr 2018, 21:13
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Let’s be clear. “Democrat Party sues Trump, etc...” Know this, Hillary Clinton owns the DNC. She and her husband loaned the Committee twenty five million dollars, with the caveat that the Clintons had Final Say on management, personnel and tactics. The DNC was broke, and Hillary saw an opportunity to cement her nomination; remember she feared Sanders’s successes.....and counted on operatives to for instance, feed her debate questions prior to the debate.

Podesta is her CEO, and one need only look at the video of his comments election night. “Tomorrow’s another day....”

Desperation thy name is Hillary....
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 23:18
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If you need a good chuckle, check this one out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/s...g-hillary.html

I can see being in denial on election night, but at this point it's delusional.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 02:37
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If you need a good chuckle, check this one out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/s...g-hillary.html
I didn't see the humor in it. I felt is was well written and a snapshot of realizations day by day.

Really great stuff for the history buffs and will outlive us all in future documentaries.

Meanwhile some of it will be proven correct while some of it will be proven wrong so it's now time to carry on.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 03:49
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If you need a good chuckle, check this one out:
Funny thing, those coronations.

Edited to add video of media of disbelief in the media over Hillary’s loss.


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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 04:02
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
I didn't see the humor in it. I felt is was well written and a snapshot of realizations day by day.

Really great stuff for the history buffs and will outlive us all in future documentaries.

Meanwhile some of it will be proven correct while some of it will be proven wrong so it's now time to carry on.
Itís been time to move on with the peopleís business for a long time, however that is not to be, if at all, until after the mid terms in November.
We are all seeing the pettiness of both sides folks, this is not about good governance, itís about power, theirs.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 13:55
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California likes sanctuary for illegals. Downstate Illinois county declares itself a sanctuary for gun owners.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...s-gun-owners-/
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